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Title: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by cornfuzed on 07/09/11 at 17:05:59 ok so i dont surrender and aint much for words outside what i type sometimes and i dont login much an just lurk around... but... this time I gotta VENT! my West By God Virginia roots and Blue grass roots are commin UP an takin me!!!!!! Ive fit an fit with my !@#!@$%!@!#!#!!! darn !$#!@$!%%!#!@#!@ stupid darn !@#$!$#!@!! harley !#$!@#!$! muffler!@#!@#!!## for the last darn!!#!@#!#!@%$$!@!! time dammet!!! i cant get it to seal for !@#$!@#!#!!#@@$! ..... ARRRRGH!!! ok so ummm Oldfeller? Vers? anyolne got ideas? Ive used copper red ulta high !W!@#!!#!@#!@#! darn @!!!! temp silicone seal left to cure for !@#!!!!#@! darn 30 hrs dammet !!!!!@@!#!#!# used crush ring made from corn can!#!@!#!@#@@#$$$!@ or does anyone know of a good slash cut or good exhaust that does not break the bank that i can get that WILL !$#!@#!@!!$$!!! !dammet SEAL on the !#!!@#!%$@!#!@#! dammit EXAUST ?? KERPOW! BANG! OOOSHA! dammit!!! p.s thanks for letten met vent ive dealt with this all season so far and aint got it sealed worth a @!$!$#!@#! DAMMET! |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/11 at 17:12:53 Have you tried welding it? |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/11 at 17:15:44 Strikes me as one O them guys who dont get mad often,, but when he does,, he really mean it,, |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by TheSnakeLady on 07/09/11 at 17:19:22 I highly recommend jardine! You might be able to find one on ebay or amazon for less than the $160 I paid for mine. Also, spring for the exhaust gasket from suzuki, it's like $15 and gaurantees a air tight seal. But just to warn ya, the jardine is rattle ur teeth loud! ;) |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by cornfuzed on 07/09/11 at 17:26:06 thx guys for the replys... now that im calm after a couple of cool 1's i can elaborate whats going one... 1) - had a 9" piece put on a Dyna exhaust welded 7 deg bend.. 2) - cut 4 slots in pipe end for header to seal 3) - used Moose Racing 1.99 - 1.81" SS exhaust clamp 4) - used http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers/auto_permatex_ultra_copper_maximum_temperature_rtv_silicone_gasket_maker.htm to make seal bond between header / pipe 5) - waited 24 hr to tighten both the moose racing exhaust clamp / u clamp you would use on an auto exhaust system down to a nats nutt tightness 6) drove 7) POP! KERPOW! when i let off the throttle / shift gears 8) rinsed repeated and used a corn can cut as the crush ring on the outside of the pipe 9) - See #7 ok ready for thoughtful thoughts ideas or just insults are fine too.. 8-) |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by cornfuzed on 07/09/11 at 17:31:13 Snakelady, what exhaust gasket you squakin about from suzuki? Is it the stock gasket for the stock exhaust? maybe thats what im missin? is the jardine TINNEY sounding or a rumble sound? I like RUMBLE and when im on the freeway i like to make ol purple haired ladys pee their shorty shorts when i go by... Im tired of them not looking ... Like they barely can see over the steering wheel!! @#$!$#!$! dammiet!! when they !#!@#!%$$! come into my !#!#!R$%$!@#!@#! arrrugh lane!!! dammet! i think i need another cold one... |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Boule’tard on 07/09/11 at 17:31:36 ;D ;D Awesome rant ;D ;D LOL I needed that ;D ;D Verify that there is indeed an exhaust leak.. look for any soot from the exhaust around the joints and/or hold a lighter flame around the joints while it is idling.. that should point out where the leak(s) are, if any. Once you verified that the backfiring is indeed due to an exhaust leak, and not just cuz the idle mixture is too lean, you could try loosening the header flange and swinging the header outward to the right, and remove those little asbestos pads behind the footpeg heat shield if necessary to get better alignment of the header and your bend piece.. hope that helps. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Z on 07/09/11 at 17:47:45 We have Jardines on both of our bikes. They turn heads. Whenever we are riding together and we are in a staggered line, the unfortunate people behind us complain about the wall of loud that they have to ride through. ;D |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by MrBrownTX on 07/09/11 at 17:53:10 What about the soda can gasket I have seen people make? |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Routy on 07/09/11 at 17:58:54 "Cornfused",......you must be "confused" The Harley/Dana muffler is a "direct fit" to the Savage ! If you don't believe it, just ask any body here,....except me ::) |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Serowbot on 07/09/11 at 18:10:11 I would recommend,... cut more slots.... I do about ten or twelve slots with a hack saw, then use a piece of tin can about an inch wide wrapped around the header pipe. No gasket stuff, it just burns off... Now drink some milk and have a cookie... ;)... |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by thumperclone on 07/09/11 at 18:25:32 u shaped automotive clamp has held for years after i breakin the hd style.. used the orange hi temp rtv and a bent adaptor piece hid the whole mess with a chrome shield.. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by SoE on 07/09/11 at 18:41:31 Glad it ain't just me. I'm about to weld my HD muffler on and be done with it. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by drums1 on 07/09/11 at 18:53:55 That was a classic rant up there, Cornfuzed. Another good way to check/make sure it is, in fact, leaking is take a shop rag or two, fold 'em up some, and hold it tightly over the end of tailpipe, with it running, of course. If there is any other leaks, you'll hear 'em right away, and then know exactly where to focus. If no other leaks present, then it's something else, like air/fuel mixture or some such thing. Hope this helps a little. Keep a cold one nearby. Welding is starting to sound like a good idea..... |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by runwyrlph on 07/09/11 at 19:52:34 this probly won't help, but i once kludged up a leak on my subaru... - i cut the rusted part out of the ex. pipe, bought a short piece to splice in, but i bought it a 1/8 or 1/4 too biig, wouldn't seal. mixed up a batch o' jb weld, took a couple pieces of steel wool, got the s.w. all gooey with jb and stuffed it in the crack all round, then clamped it down it's been about 5 years (?) - still holding |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/11 at 23:50:37 Sounds like nicely done kludge job, Run.. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Oldfeller on 07/10/11 at 03:13:30 OK, perk up all you mercantile minded people. Lancer, Verslagen, Routy You need to get a local exhaust shop to build up some 7 degree adaptors and sell the silly things along with an extra pipe clamp and a long heat shield as a kit. ===================== I built up my header to fit the muffler with wound stainless wire and the ungrateful thing wouldn't line up with anything right as it was too tight in the 7 degree bend portion. I haven't had occasion to take it off since then, but when the wound wire come off (and it it already loose although it was epoxied in place) I will consider the waffled soup can bushing as my next trick, reserving welding for dead last as Dyna mufflers can fail internally and you should be able to replace them as needed. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/10/11 at 05:14:58 706374756A6761636837060 wrote:
This is the only real solution. No leaks. No continual maintenance. The only downside is that you have to remove the whole exhaust system when you want to get at something obstructed by the exhaust system. Ain't no thang with a Savage, though,... everything is so simple and out in the open, can have the whole thing off in fifteen minutes. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by drums1 on 07/10/11 at 06:01:20 Dam, that JB Weld is some awesome stuff, isn't it? |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by jdeluca on 07/10/11 at 06:40:31 Geesh, this whole thread makes me feel better. I've been fooling with this thing for 2 weeks now, I thought I had my muffler clamped on good and tight, I used some sheet metal shim material from work to make a crush seal and actually put one piece between muffler and header and another piece around the whole shebang between the muffler and the clamp...was avoiding welding it, but woke up this morning and that was all I could think about was walding the darn thing together. I knew it was wrong to do, but since I've put that exhaust on I've gone from a 47.5 pilot to a 60 and a 145 main to a 157.5...and even though the bike is running good (tremendous power increase...or so it feels anyways) I get the kerpow's on a decel and I know that I have to seal that joint and then rejet to get it back to normal.... Anyways, glad to see it's not my incompetence getting in the way of that exhaust fitting together right! |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by runwyrlph on 07/10/11 at 09:59:14 3A34353C253331500 wrote:
Or if it is - at least you're not the only incompetent one around here! ;D Welcome to the club! |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by jdeluca on 07/10/11 at 10:03:33 I'm feeling much better now, Wifey is working so I pulled the exhaust off and welded it all together...Just getting ready to take it for a ride now, but it didn't KERPOW after some pretty heavy rev's...Now the big question....Am I WAY too rich now? HAHAHA |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by oldskool on 07/10/11 at 12:53:39 I'm new here and maybe this won't do any good, but there's an asbestos like rope that goes around the doors of wood stoves to seal them. Stays pliable, comes in a different of sizes and can be flattened out pretty thin. http://www.gascoals.net/Accessories/RutlandHeatSafe/WoodStoveDoorGasket/tabid/935/Default.aspx FWIW Steve |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/11 at 14:05:37 I dont understand why people seem to be overlooking Drums suggestion, using steel wool loaded with JB weld. I havent tried it, but it sounds reasonable & he ha done it & it works,, unless hes just a blasted LIAR. & Im not believin that.. Sounds quick, cheap & easy AND reversible,, worth a try,, & If it doesnt work, ya get yer $$$ back,, all Zero $$$s & ZERO Cents of it.. minus freight,, youll owe 3 bucks,, but hey,, its worth it, right? |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by TheSnakeLady on 07/10/11 at 14:54:59 343D2338326661510 wrote:
Yes, the stock gasket. However, the harley mufflers tend to be a tighter fit so you probably won't be able to use it. It does fit (tightly) with the jardine tho. I'm thinking it's the jardine that your looking for, it's got quite a roar! It doesn't seem to be tinney to me, tho you could ask Z what she thinks. I'll post a vid of the jardine sound but I can't seem to capture the depth of the sound on video. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/the_snake_ladys_pics/th_100_1043.jpg (http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/the_snake_ladys_pics/?action=view¤t=100_1043.mp4) Hope this helps! ;) |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by SoE on 07/11/11 at 18:26:59 Welded mine tonight. Glad to be done with it. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Routy on 07/12/11 at 05:35:03 True, I haven't done a Dana conversion, but I've read enough about it to make me ill ! When I made the statement a year ago (to help a nubie) about how the conv was NOT a direct fit, I had about 5 guys climb all over me about how it WAS a "direct fit",........about how I had a big mouth for someone that had never done it ! Well, after reading this thread,......and a zillion others,.....common sense people can decide for themselves ! Enough said !!!! If and when I do do the conversion, (probably won't,....because I like my "drilled stocker") I think I would start w/ getting a short pc of the right size pipe to fit the ID of the muffler,......does that make sense ? Then I would weld that onto the end of the header pipe,.....at the proper length, and at the proper angle. Now,.......we may be talking very close to it being a "direct fit" But wait a minute,.....something must be wrong w/ that picture,....because NOTHING is that simple on "THE SAVAGE FORUM" ;D |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/12/11 at 05:44:57 4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
JB weld doesn't handle temps over about 150 degrees very well. |
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by jdeluca on 07/12/11 at 08:58:01 Per their website, http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php, JBWeld is heat resistant up to 500 degrees F......AND they do say on that same page that JBWeld is not recommended for this application: Quote:
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Title: Re: waving the white flag o' Surrender!!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/15/11 at 08:19:12 3937363F263032530 wrote:
Note they say heat "resistant" not heatproof. Anything is heat resistant. I'm heat resistant. JBweld is just epoxy, and not a high heat epoxy. There are some high heat adhesives available, some of them are epoxies. http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/ea_ultratemp.htm , for example. Most of those are priced preciously. I still doubt, though, that any epoxies exist that will hold on exhaust pipes on bikes like ours. I would guestimate that on an S40 going uphill at 75mph on a hot day (IOW, sustained full throttle), the joint at the exhaust header and the muffler would reach several hundred degrees. If you did this at night, you'd see several inches of the exhaust header close to the cylinder head glowing. |
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