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Title: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by CBH on 07/06/11 at 19:36:41 Maybe I'm just spoiled with my GoldWing! ::) What would you guys suggest for a quiet replacement muffler on the Savage? |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/11 at 19:44:24 If you have the stock muffler on it now,, & its not modified & its too loud,, sell it. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/06/11 at 19:45:51 +1 If you think the stock muffler is loud I would say ear plugs or sell it. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by CBH on 07/06/11 at 19:48:25 Great help guys. I'm not looking for remarks like that. It's an old muffler that is rusted out! ;D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by sillydilly on 07/06/11 at 19:52:49 replace with new stock one then? |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/11 at 20:00:08 [quote author=14151F570 link=1310006201/0#3 date=1310006905]Great help guys. I'm not looking for remarks like that. It's an old muffler that is rusted out! ;D[/quote Im not a mind reader,, you gotta tell us whats on it,, now, to solve your problem,, what DO you want? Do you want to have it sound like a sewing machine? Or, is some rumble good? If you can find someone with a stock muffler on, give it a listen,, its not loud at all,, if you want just a bit of a husky sound out of it, nothing raucous & obnoxious, the Dyna is a good answer,. & its Cheap,, I guess ya could go listen to a HD with dynas on it,, just use one ear.. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/06/11 at 22:59:48 15141E560 wrote:
haha Sorry, you didn't say it was rusted out originally. I thought maybe you just found the stock muffler too loud. Ear plugs would help, that was a serious answer. I didn't think the stock muffler really sounded all that bad. Was quiet but not as bad as alot of other bikes I've heard. I just ripped mine off and it's in great shape. I don't have any plans of putting it back on so picking one up used probably wouldn't be too hard. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Serowbot on 07/06/11 at 23:04:59 You could always check the diameter or have an adapter made to fit a Goldwing muffler on there... Harley shorty muffler is louder than a stock one that isn't blown out, but not obnoxious... I'd stay away from most all aftermarket mufflers (almost always louder) ... and look to adapt a quiet stock muffler from a bike you like, or locate a stock Savage muffler in good condition... I've got two stockers, but shipping would cost your left nut... maybe you are close to some member here with a spare... |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by drums1 on 07/07/11 at 03:48:27 I have a harley muffler with the baffle knocked out. It's not too loud. :o ::) ;) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Boofer on 07/07/11 at 04:33:32 CBH, How about Harley HARFXS1584 Part # 65842-07. 80 db. $20-40. Installs in an hour and required no offset adapter for my Savage. Need: (1) 1/4-20 bolt about 1 1/4" long, 1/4" washers, Drink can for home made gasket. Aftermarket heat shield May have to grind front boss off of muffler to clear. May not. About 1/2" shorter than stock. Quiet. (Which is a relative term.) Go to Serowbot's muffler section in Tech to view. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Boofer on 07/07/11 at 04:40:16 http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu351/Boofer56/PICT0720.jpg Night Train muffler. 65842-07. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by dasch on 07/07/11 at 05:08:40 a good stock muf is quieter than any HD one. But CBH, Loud and quiet are very subjective categories. With a goldwing in the barn... might be that you just got used to that smooth, civilized 6cyl flow, you will never get that out a single. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/11 at 05:10:06 Looks like he got mad & left,.. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by dasch on 07/07/11 at 05:14:43 Who did? CBH or the guy on the other post? |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Scott2.0 on 07/07/11 at 05:20:42 3620273F2163520 wrote:
Sorry to threadjack but, I was thinking about knocking the baffle out of my HD muff too. Any negative effects from doing that? I'm wondering if it won't have the back pressure it needs (?) for adequate torque. LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES! 8-) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/11 at 06:06:45 CBH,, hasnt responded in a while,, maybe hes out listening to other mufflers, trying to decide wat kinda sound he wants. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by CBH on 07/07/11 at 06:53:43 Thanks for the replies. I'll replace it with a stock muffler. I'm not looking for whisper quiet, I just don't care for something that sounds like a straight pipe that really cackles! ;D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/11 at 06:57:56 Stock works,, its a quiet machine with the stock muffler on it. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/07/11 at 11:30:52 7B7A70380 wrote:
I'll sell you mine but as previously stated, shipping is gonna hurt. I don't know the exact weight but it's frickin heavy. Switching to a smaller triumph muffler for me was for sound and weight reduction. This stock muffler must weigh 20lbs. The replacement was like 8lbs. The muffler I have came off my bike with only 13k miles. I did not notice any rust on it and it has the original heat shield. It sounded fine on my bike, just wanted something smaller and louder. This isn't the place to discuss sales though so if you are interested PM me and we can sort it out. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Boofer on 07/07/11 at 11:32:50 Scott, I totally disagree loud pipes save lives, and yes there is some loss of torque with muffler tampering. Unless you know what to do. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Scott2.0 on 07/07/11 at 12:51:40 7855555C5F483A0 wrote:
DISagree? |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/07/11 at 13:03:51 7855555C5F483A0 wrote:
Not trying to get into an arguement here but I don't understand that at all. If you're riding down the road on your bike and have super quiet exhaust, the odds are that young guy in his mustang ain't going to hear you over his radio, or the old lady with bad hearing, or the average guy blaring his favorite song, or the average woman talking on her cell phone, or...I mean this can go on and on. I'm sure it doesn't apply 100% of the time but if you take those same situations and enter them on the same bike but with straight pipes, it's going to be obvious. Especially at intersections where it's typical for bikes to rev a couple times waiting for the green light or before taking off. Everytime you rev that bike most people are going to look over to see what is making the noise. Sure they may look at me and forget me, but I'd be willing to bet them looking at me once is better than not looking at all. Plus I feel it applies in other ways as well. Here in Idaho half my ride consists of in-town riding but, the other half is 65mph highway rolling through the mountains. Lots of wide open fields and wildlife. Deer, elk, owls (yeah, giant ones) just to name a few. Loud pipes scare deer, I've seen them run away from road sides because of bikes but I've also seen them dive out in front of shiny new Subaru's with quiet exhaust. Recently I was moving from a small town in the mountains to a bigger town in the mountains. I had to drive a 20ft Uhaul down Highway 52 between Horseshoe Bend and Emmett, Idaho. Long twisty 2 lane that rides the river. I was coming around a corner with a loaded truck and I saw something gigantic in the road. I started slowing down quickly and the thing didn't move. I hit my horn a couple times and suddenly it threw out its wings and took off. The wing span on this owl was almost as wide as the windshield in that Uhaul. The Uhaul was brand new, had like 5k miles on it and was whisper quiet. I'm thinking if I had come around that canyon on my bike with loud pipes that owl would've heard me coming and by the time I was hitting the corner he would've moved. Maybe he wouldn't have, but again I'd bet that my bike being slightly obnoxious will deter animals from coming near me. Catching a deer or giant owl at 65mph is going to suck no matter what gear your wearing. I could be wrong, this is just my opinion but to me having louder pipes is just as important as wearing a helmet. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by RidgeRunner13 on 07/07/11 at 14:24:25 I have one friend who is finally out of the hospital from injuries sustained when he hit a deer on his H-D, equipped with straight shotgun pipes. He would disagree. :( Another friend told me 2 days ago that as he was coming home just running with traffic, 2 H-Ds with loud pipes came up behind him & he didn't here either one until they were beside him. One startled him by passing on his right. :-/ >:( Loud pipes are just another annoying sound most people just tune out. BTW, I don't have stock exhaust on either of my bikes, they are louder than stock for performance gains, not for noise, & neither has a straight pipe. ;D You keep right on believing what you want, I'll keep on believing my LOUD horn is far more effective. 8-) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/07/11 at 14:29:21 6B505D5E5C6B4C57575C4B080A390 wrote:
I've seen deer standing on the side of the road watching traffic and then bolt back into the field when 2 bikes came around the bend. Perhaps it also depends on the animals and how often they are around people and/or traffic. I too changed my exhaust for performance, weight reduction, and the stock sound wasn't cutting it. It's not straight pipe, nor is it ridiculous or obnoxious. I didn't do this just to be loud, if that was my goal, I'd run straight header and a beauty tip. I specifically said that it wouldn't always be that way, there is always exceptions to anything. I too have been startled getting passed by a bike that I didn't notice but it was because it was a weird BMW cruiser/enduro/sport/thingy and it was super quiet. I think I scared him even more when I jumped and swerved away from him. Had that been a big bike with open pipes I can't imagine how I'd miss it. I like bikes, when I hear pipes I look to see what the guy is riding. I think most people do whether its to give a thumbs up or to grumble about the noise. I guess we can agree to disagree but to me it's simple. Being audibly louder than most other vehicles on the road will make you noticed, you will stand out. As motorcyclists we are constantly in danger of crashing, anything that might help me be safer is worth a shot in my book. Plus, it just sounds cool! ;D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Scott2.0 on 07/07/11 at 14:33:05 7E45484B497E594242495E1D1F2C0 wrote:
Sorry to hear about your friend, but no one said being loud makes you invincible. Just because your friend hit a deer with straight pipes doesn't really prove anything. I bet some idiot cager texting is more likely to not swerve into me than something silent. No stats to prove that or back it up, just plain logic. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/07/11 at 15:07:17 50515B130 wrote:
I got your PM, I've tried replying multiple times and everytime I do it pops up saying it wants to access my clipboard, whether I say yes, no, or close the window, I appear at the main screen and the message doesn't get sent. Email me at magickninja369@yahoo.com so I can send you pics of the muffler. I'm thinkin' $70 for it? |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Tehrifleman on 07/07/11 at 15:23:58 I do. I want to shake the pilings on overpasses. Guess I miss my hog. darn you Wall Street! |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/11 at 18:52:43 That people get killed waring their seat belts or their helmets doesnt mean they are useless,, Just because you can show a time when loud pipes went un-noticed doesnt mean that sometimes the factor that saves a biker from being run over is the loud pipe, making enough noise to get the attention of the idiot at the wheel.. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud! Post by Trippah on 07/07/11 at 19:30:20 Fortunately, some states even have laws about loudness of pipes. It will surprise you young'uns but loud pipes actually can hurt (as in painful) anyone with recruitment (which is what lots of older people and folks who have been subjected to a lot of nise during their work eg, military, musicans.) I also do not like loud because I'd rather enjoy my ride - and noise increases tension and blood pressure. I get tired enough checking out the gals I see. :D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Routy on 07/07/11 at 19:54:20 When a very loud bike suddenly and unexpectedly passes me at WOT, it upsets me,......as in pisses me off ! They have no right to disturb the peace like that, and it is after all, illegal. But most the bikes around here are maybe noisy, but tolerable. Myself, I like my drilled stock muffler,......just about right. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/07/11 at 20:54:40 Loud pipes are silly and dangerous. Here's why: -- They piss off the public a lot,.. we don't need any more unfavorable publicity. -- They ruin the tuning of the bike, necessitating several hours of rejetting, etc. -- They damage your hearing. Most of the time you can't tell. As your hearing gets worse, you get more dangerous. -- If you don't rejet the bike it makes less power,... you get more dangerous because you can't accelerate as well now. -- They piss off the cops/taxpayers enough they start making laws that restrict ALL of us, not just the dimbulbs with the obscenely loud pipes. -- They block out traffic noises,.. you get more dangerous. -- On a trip of more than an hour or so, they increase fatigue. You enjoy the trip less, and you get more dangerous. -- Loud pipes make degrading statements about your ego and self-esteem. -- The racket caused by loud pipes is directed back behind the bike. Most (something like 80%) of the motorcycle accidents occur from drivers not seeing you from the FRONT. I like loud pipes about as much as I like hearing the kid across the street start up his Civic with the coffee-can muffler at 0130 in the morning,... or hearing the s**t-for-brains jerk with the 5,000 watt sound system in his trunk thumping out enough bass to rattle my fillings. I'll admit I like an exhaust system to make a little more noise than stock motorcycles do these days. If it weren't for the loud-pipe "enthusiasts" causing the authorities to overreact and make all kind of restrictive noise standards, however, maybe stock motorcycles would sound a little more enjoyable. I remember the bikes I had, back before the loudpipers ruined everything, sounding pretty good,.. go hear what a stock, 60's vintage, Triumph Bonneville or Norton Atlas or Harley Sportster sounds like. Pure music. Thanks a LOT, loudpipers. :( -- |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by SuperSavage on 07/07/11 at 21:52:57 To me, the Harley dyna pipe is a perfect balance of sound for the thumper. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/07/11 at 23:49:32 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
Funny you mentioned that. I just read a study that showed wearing a helmet did not statistically change fatality rates in motorcycle accidents. It also showed that Full face helmets protect your head but are the leading cause of severe neck injuries and half helmets were good for neck and head but put your chin/jaw at greater risk. Point? Everything is give and take, nothing is ever a guarantee when it comes to riding. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 00:14:39 0A2C372E2E3F365E0 wrote:
I hear what your saying. As I stated already my pipes aren't even that loud. I'm running a stock early 70s Triumph muffler, not drilled out or anything. I'm not that young (29) and funny you should mention it because I am a musician. I've been playing guitar for around 17 years and I play in a loud melodic thrash metal band. We are a 5 piece, drums, 2 guitars, bass and vocals. We practice in a room thats probably 13x11 at a volume loud enough for the amps to carry over the drums, and the drum kick is mic'd. I play a 100watt all tube half-stack, my volume sits around 6ish and for a tube amp, thats pretty frickin loud. I stand directly in front of a full drum set, facing the drummer and my amp is behind him facing towards me. The other guitarists amp is pointing in my direction as well. His is a 120watt Solid State. The bass amp and PA speakers are behind me, 2 SP15s on a Mackie pushing 600watt, and a 8x10 Ampeg bass cab pushin 300watts probably 5 feet away. I stand in this room 3 nights a week for 3-4 hours, surrounded by a total of 8 12s, 8 10s, 2 15s, and around 1200watts total. We jam in a place called the Boise Bomb Shelter. It's a real honest to God bomb shelter built in the 50s. It has 28 rooms and its sole purpose is for bands to jam underground as loud as they want. On a friday night, aside from my own band, you can hear 3-5 other bands jamming in rooms around us. My hearing is fine. I've been jamming in bands since I was around 19, always metal and always loud. I've been getting yelled at by my mother since I was a kid that I was going to mess up my hearing but so far, that's never happened. You can say time will tell...well I've been doing this for like 10 years straight...think I would've noticed something by now. You put my Savage in the middle of this room and crack the throttle and your not even going to hear it. If I thought for one moment my pipes might cause someone damage I surely wouldn't run them. I tried running my bike with just straight pipe and I knew it was just way too loud. For me, my neighbors, etc etc. I just want to make it clear, I'm not saying I'm some hardcore advocate of loud pipes, I'm an advocate of people being able to choose what they want. I don't have the right to tell anyone they HAVE to wear a helmet, I feel the same about pipes. I do have a recurring ringing in my left ear that appears once every few weeks and lasts about 30 seconds but this was due to a gun accident, not amps. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 00:34:17 434C564D515744464E4057250 wrote:
I don't know how it works where you live but here until it's 11pm there isn't a sound ordinance. Also, in order to be "Excessive Noise" or "Disturbing the Peace" the pipe has to be louder than 92dba standing 20 feet behind the pipe. I tend to get pissed off when people pass me in general, what's the big hurry? I always do the speed limit or 5 over. But I'd have to disagree. They do have the right to run those pipes unless it's illegal in that state. This always boils down to a group of people telling another group of people what they can or cannot do. People have the right to choose for themselves, and we have the right to complain about it. That's what makes this country great and I love it. Someone might complain endlessly about that neighbor across the street revving his Civic with the ridiculous exhaust. But, that same guy gets tickled when a 68 Cougar rolls down the straight with glasspacks and lights them up. I think generation gaps are just as much a culprit in alot of these complaints. Sometimes it's not that it's loud, it's just a noise they don't like. Well that boils down to opinion, and in this country opinion only goes so far. Kinda like the Harley guy, sippin' his beer and leaning on his bike grumbling about the line of sportbikes zipping by with their loud rice exhaust. Then he throws the can over his shoulder, fires up his bike with straight pipes and blows down the road. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by stratman on 07/08/11 at 00:57:05 Hey MagickNinja. I'm glad your hearing hasn't been damaged. I've been playing guitar since I was 20, now I'm 56. Played alot of punk in the late 70's & 80's and all kinds of music ever since. My work monitors our hearing once a year. My hearing was fine until I was about 40, and has gotten worse since. I wear earplugs at concerts now & if I'm playing loud or riding. Hearing loss sneaks up on you and the only way to prevent it is to avoid loud noise. If i'm in a loud restaurant or bar, I can't hear any conversation. People get tired of repeating themselves. The ringing in my ears is constant now. Don't let it happen to you, you can't get it back; sorry for the lecture -stratman |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 01:04:54 546A617C717C71130 wrote:
lol thats a bitter grudge if I ever heard one. Again, I'm not advocating loud pipes, I'm advocating the right for people to choose. Sure it may annoy you, but maybe your lawn mower annoys me when your cutting your grass at 8am and I'm hung over trying to sleep. Does that mean we stop cutting our grass? No, it's a fact of life. I turn my radio on and go back to sleep. You say we all get restricted and punished because of a few. What else is new? Again, the generation gap. My dad (RIP) absolutely hated those rice mufflers on those cars, and he also hated loud sportbike exhaust, and he even hated Harleys with loud pipes(actually he hated Harley altogether, always rode Triumph), but he sure loved the sound of those cherry bombs on his pickup. He hated my metal music, but he didn't mind turning up Jim Croce or Charlie Daniels. I think it has more to do with what the sound is and not so much the volume. Where I live there are many buildings, canyons, valleys, and the alike to give plenty echo. I'm sure it's louder behind the rider but that doesn't mean I don't hear him coming. I can hear bikes crossing the bridge into town and it's 3 blocks away and I would agree, those pipes are just plain obnoxious. I shouldn't hear a bike 3 blocks away coming into town. But then I stop and think...if I go and try to tell that guy what he can and can't do, it's just a matter of time before someone comes telling me what I can and can't do. I have no right to push my beliefs or opinions on anyone else, just because I think loud pipes are badass doesn't mean you should have to hear it but I shouldn't have to run a muffler thats quiet because it pleases you. Afterall, I didn't buy the bike to please you, I bought it to please me and if loud pipes is what I want, that's my right as long as I'm within the laws. I'm the one who has to hear it all day, you hear it for 10seconds as I'm going by. And again, I don't think people should have ridiculous exhaust either. Defintions of "loud" vary person to person and some people just want something to complain about. I stand by my opinion, being audibly louder does make you more noticeable thus safer. Does this mean I think it's ok to run straight header? No. Am I going to run obnoxious exhaust? No. Do I think that choice is up to the individual? Yes. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 01:39:27 5C5B5D4E5B424E412F0 wrote:
props to another 6 string Samurai! I'm sorry to hear about your hearing man. I too have my hearing monitored every so often and so far I pass the tests no problem. I also passed my DMV eye exam perfectly as well. I don't take it as a lecture man, I know it's possible and probable. But I also think like anything else it relies alot on the person and the situation. For example arthritis. I have a probable chance of getting arthritis and carpal tunnel because of high use of a mouse and playing guitar. Playing metal my wrists is always going fast and I play lead so my left hand is always moving fast or doing akward things like arpeggios. I've learned over the year to do finger and hand stretching exercises before jamming but I often think about it. I'd hate to someday not be able to play anymore or not be able to hear what I'm playing. But I think that's the risks we take for pleasure. I love playing and I'm not going to stop. Same with bikes. We all know they are dangerous. I have friends who tell me I'm crazy for riding. It's funny how something like riding is everyday for some people but to others it's equal to skydiving. Having changed my stock muffler to the 73 Triumph muffler I definately got a bit louder but it's not as loud as my buddys Harley with straight pipes. It makes my bike sound a bit thicker, my idle has a nice thump to it. It also makes me feel safer knowing I have a better chance of being noticed. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud! Post by Gyrobob on 07/08/11 at 05:19:53 416D6B656F67426562666D0C0 wrote:
This is a sad sad situation. Your hearing is NOT fine. You are doing permanent, incremental damage to your hearing and you have conned yourself into thinking otherwise. "Doing it for ten years straight and not noticing any damage" doesn't prove anything. All that means is the damage is gradual enough you don't notice it. If you would have been tested every year since your teens, you would be seeing a gradual drop in the decibel levels, especially at higher frequencies. "Recurrent ringing" is tinnitus. This is a symptom and, while the gun accident certainly didn't help any, is proof of damage to your hearing and a symptom of associated hearing loss. This tinnitus will become more and more prevalent over the next decade. It will drive you crazy because you can not shut it off. Some folks can't sleep with advanced tinnitus unless they do something to mask the sound, like having a loud fan, or radio tuned to no station, or white-noise generators made just for tinnitus masking, right near the pillow. This gradual drop happens anyway, due to aging, but if you wouldn't have been abusing your inner ears like this, the larger amounts of hearing loss wouldn't be showing up until your 70's or 80's. If you keep this up, you will be experiencing some drastic hearing loss soon,.. sometime over the next decade or so. To add to the sadness, by the time you are fortyish-fiftyish, you will be missing a lot of the consonants in normal conversation,.. saying "what?" or "huh?" or as they say down here, "do what now?" Maybe by then they will have invented really good hearing aids that inject sounds directly into your aural nerves,... the other parts of your heaing "system" will be beyond repair. I have two recommendations. Always wear good earplugs (the foam kind that expands after you insert it) inserted all the way in, so you can just barely see it. These will reduce the sound about 30db. Have your ears tested every six months. It's cheap, or even free in some areas. P.s. -- I just noticed stratman's comment. It's valid. "Hearing loss sneaks up on you and the only way to prevent it is to avoid loud noise. If i'm in a loud restaurant or bar, I can't hear any conversation. People get tired of repeating themselves. The ringing in my ears is constant now. Don't let it happen to you, you can't get it back" Sad but true. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/08/11 at 05:50:28 Start protecting your ears now,, damage in there doesnt fix itself,, my ears ring 24/7, I have to have the TV loud, or I cant make the words out,, I can hear that theyre talking, it just sounds muffled,, so I have to crank it up, or go with subtitles.. A quick run into town,, Ill go w/o earplugs,, but if Im headed down the road 20 miles? Im wearin 'em,, I wear ear protection shooting, even a 22.. didnt used to,.,, it wasnt much on my agenda when I was in my 20's,,, |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 14:00:34 0B353E232E232E4C0 wrote:
This is a sad sad situation. Your hearing is NOT fine. You are doing permanent, incremental damage to your hearing and you have conned yourself into thinking otherwise. "Doing it for ten years straight and not noticing any damage" doesn't prove anything. All that means is the damage is gradual enough you don't notice it. If you would have been tested every year since your teens, you would be seeing a gradual drop in the decibel levels, especially at higher frequencies. "Recurrent ringing" is tinnitus. This is a symptom and, while the gun accident certainly didn't help any, is proof of damage to your hearing and a symptom of associated hearing loss. This tinnitus will become more and more prevalent over the next decade. It will drive you crazy because you can not shut it off. Some folks can't sleep with advanced tinnitus unless they do something to mask the sound, like having a loud fan, or radio tuned to no station, or white-noise generators made just for tinnitus masking, right near the pillow. This gradual drop happens anyway, due to aging, but if you wouldn't have been abusing your inner ears like this, the larger amounts of hearing loss wouldn't be showing up until your 70's or 80's. If you keep this up, you will be experiencing some drastic hearing loss soon,.. sometime over the next decade or so. To add to the sadness, by the time you are fortyish-fiftyish, you will be missing a lot of the consonants in normal conversation,.. saying "what?" or "huh?" or as they say down here, "do what now?" Maybe by then they will have invented really good hearing aids that inject sounds directly into your aural nerves,... the other parts of your heaing "system" will be beyond repair. I have two recommendations. Always wear good earplugs (the foam kind that expands after you insert it) inserted all the way in, so you can just barely see it. These will reduce the sound about 30db. Have your ears tested every six months. It's cheap, or even free in some areas. P.s. -- I just noticed stratman's comment. It's valid. "Hearing loss sneaks up on you and the only way to prevent it is to avoid loud noise. If i'm in a loud restaurant or bar, I can't hear any conversation. People get tired of repeating themselves. The ringing in my ears is constant now. Don't let it happen to you, you can't get it back" Sad but true. [/quote] I know what your saying but I absolutely love music, I play everything from Beethoven to Norwegian Black Metal. Do you play? Do you have any idea how hard it is to practice in a 5 piece band wearing ear plugs? Everything is muffled, the guitars sound like bass, the bass sounds like a constant hum and the drums well, all you hear is the snare. My singer's name is Alex Vota, he's from Denver, CO and use to sing in a band around there called Angelic Rage. He's 41 years old, been a singer in metal bands longer than I've been playing and is still at it since we picked him up. He doesn't wear ear plugs, he's 12 years older than me, been in loud bands longer than I have and he doesn't have any hearing issues either. I honestly think it has more to do with the "sound" than the volume. Did you know that dissonant sounds at medium volumes can do more damage than pleasing tones at higher volumes? For example, if I'm playing a mid octave G and the other guitarist plays a mid octave B, you will have a harmony. 2 notes working together that make a beautiful sound. If we did the same thing with 2 notes that aren't harmonius, it sounds bad, not only is it unpleasing to the ear, it can also do damage. So say jamming in a loud band who isn't very good and has a lot of mistakes and sour notes will damage your ears more than a band who is louder but tight and precise. I want to get an in-ear monitor so I can be loud but not damage my hearing but these things cost about the same as a decent 4x12 cab. And also someday if I tour I'll have to wear ear plugs because that's just too much. I know what you guys mean, I should because it will do some damage in the end. But I write all our songs, I'm the driving force in the band, I have to hear everything to make sure nobody is playing the wrong notes, staying in time and I can't do that with ear plugs. Your talking about a profession that requires focus, attention to audible detail, and listening to pitch, none of which works very well when you put a giant 30db muffler on your ears. Imagine a sound engineer trying to mix and master in his studio, all the tiny attention to detail and pitch correction....now put ear plugs in his head...that album won't be selling too many copies. I love music, its a risk I'm willing to take. Same with riding, it may kill me someday but I love it so it's a risk I'm willing to take. I'm not stupid and I appreciate you guys being concerned, I really do. But unless someone is going to buy me a $600 in ear monitor, there isn't much I can do. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 14:19:35 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
lol dude, a .22 does more damage to your ears than any other because of it's high pitched crack when fired. That's the exact pistol that damaged my left ear. Was a .22 revolver. I fired the pistol a few times with ear plugs in. As I went to fire it again, one of my ear plugs fell out (yeah, the left one) and I fired a round, instantly I heard a ring in my left ear. I ignored it (i was 17) and fired again. Same ringing but higher pitched and was louder. I did this through all 8 rounds. By the time I was done my left ear was completely muffled and ringing. To this day a couple times a month I'll be watching tv and suddenly a ringing sound appears in my left ear, rings for about 20-30 seconds and fades away. I've read that when you get that ringing, it's the sound of that frequency dieing in your ear meaning you'll never be able to hear that pitch again after it fades, that true? I don't blame the band for this because if it was from music I'd have ringing in both ears. My right ear has never done this. I'm sorry to hear about your hearing man. I've never even thought of wearing ear plugs riding my bike, it's never been loud. I guess without a helmet it'd be pretty rad at 65mph but with a full face on, it's not loud at all. I did however stop listening to loud music through headphones. I did this as a teen, I'd fall asleep with the headphones on listening to Metallica. After a couple hearing checkups at school they noticed it had gone down and the lady asked me if I used headphones with loud music, I said yeah. She said I better stop it so I did. That was the last time I was ever questioned in a hearing test and it was my freshmen year, I was class of 2000....that seems so long ago. I'm turning 30 next month and not to sound cliche', it's depressing. I'm still very active and healthy just seems like the time is slippin' away faster and faster. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by prechermike on 07/08/11 at 14:38:00 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
Yep, me too. Dr said it was high frequency hearing loss, asked if I ever been around any loud noises. I asked, "If lawn mowers, outboard motors, weedeaters, chain saws, rifles, shotguns, pistols and so forth counted?" He said all that counted. But I knew i couldn't hear as well before the test. I also have that constand ringing. Not much fun. I tell everyone to wear their protection, some listen and some don't. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Boofer on 07/08/11 at 16:51:01 My wife has tinnitus, but hers is more of a roaring. Her family is known for hearing issues. It was a problem watching tv together. She wanted it high during talking and had to turn it down constantly during shooting, killing, bombing, racing. I bought a set of Auvio wireless earphones at Radio Shack for less than $100. She listens with those while I listen to tv with a normal sound. They reach the place where the driveway crowns about 100' away. :) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Boule’tard on 07/08/11 at 17:12:10 +1 Tinnitus sufferer. Wear those earplugs and make sure they fit, folks. I knew I needed to be extra careful being a motorcyclist and gun owner, and having had a couple of bad ear infections from water skiing, and stints as a musician and construction worker. It didn't matter, one day at the pistol range, right earplug slipped just as some yay-hoo set off a whole magazine of magnum something-or-other, and I've been ringing ever since. Five years now. I've had all kinds of scans, treatments, hypnosis, ear injections, tests, drugs, ::) what amounts to about $12,000 worth of "live with it." Protect your ears, you only get one pair and there's no fixing them. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 17:57:46 042929202334460 wrote:
I've noticed this in movies but so has other people I know like my girlfriend, brother and other friends. Seems to be an issue lately. I can watch action movies from the 90s and it's fine but when I watch some new action movie the talking is always low and the sound fx are really loud. I'm not doubting she has ear problems and I'm sorry to hear that. I just wanted to point out I've noticed it too and it might not all be her ears. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/08/11 at 20:14:42 Edited so magicninja's panties might unwad some. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/08/11 at 20:18:11 1C303638323A1F383F3B30510 wrote:
I've noticed this in movies but so has other people I know like my girlfriend, brother and other friends. Seems to be an issue lately. I can watch action movies from the 90s and it's fine but when I watch some new action movie the talking is always low and the sound fx are really loud. I'm not doubting she has ear problems and I'm sorry to hear that. I just wanted to point out I've noticed it too and it might not all be her ears.[/quote] Ah,.. so Boofer can hear movie sounds fine and Ms. Boofer can't, but it is because the newer movies are,.. they,.. uh,... explain that again?! |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/08/11 at 20:22:48 404D574E4756435046220 wrote:
Here here!!! (or is it hear hear?) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by SoE on 07/08/11 at 20:51:41 I play drums in a (mostly) blues trio. I usually wear earplugs, but anything except the really expensive sound canceling kind will muffle everything. Lotta musicians in here, btw. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Boule’tard on 07/08/11 at 21:33:35 I never had any trouble at all as a musician, 4 piece band, using regular foam ear plugs. But if you find it distracting that the plugs reduce some frequencies more than others (i.e. too bassy) they also make musician's plugs that reduce the volume evenly across the board. There is no good reason to not protect your ears. I guess I'll shut up now, but DANG if I could only go back and warn myself..... ....can't.... ...no deals. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/08/11 at 22:01:40 but DANG if I could only go back and warn myself. Ohhh yea,. but would I listen?? Heck,, I doubt it,,, wadda boneheaded kid I was, |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/08/11 at 23:20:51 Only mild pruning needed here ---- points are well stated II. THERE IS REASON TO BELIEVE THE LOUDNESS OF SOUND IS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR THAT LEADS TO HEARING LOSS The problem of hearing loss due to noise or due to listening to music is generally considered to be exclusively a matter of how loud the sounds are, the assumption being that soft sounds are less dangerous and loud sounds more dangerous. In fact, many articles on the problem of hearing loss describe fixed volume levels beyond or within which any sounds will cause hearing impairment, and these limits are not very loud (one well-publicized claim is that exposure to sounds of 70 to 80 do for long periods of time will result in hearing damage, and the ranges of 90 to 110 do are described as dangerous even for short periods). While The Anstendig Institute does not doubt these findings, it has reason to believe that, at such comparatively moderate volume levels, the loudness of the sounds per se is not the main reason for hearing loss. The evidence we cite is that: 1) in The Anstendig Institute's own test-situations, we have been able to observe just the opposite result, i.e., greater hearing sensitivity after long sessions of listening to music that was within the stated volume ranges; 2) we know of other situations that produce the same effect of greater hearing sensitivity after people are subjected to even louder volume levels. For example: orchestras routinely use rehearsal rooms that are just big enough to house their 100 or so members, and we have never heard of anyone suffering hearing impairment from a good rehearsal. In fact, a phenomenon often happens whereby everyone is hearing MORE acutely after a first-class rehearsal. This is noticeable in the fact that, beforehand, when everyone has arrived and taken his seat, the ambient noises in the room are not noticed. But afterwards, and even during pauses later in the rehearsal, the ambient noise is annoyingly apparent. Suddenly everyone notices every little sound, most of which were present before the rehearsal. Obviously the hearing of those in the room has changed so that everyone is hearing louder due to the physical relaxation and acute concentration necessary in order to play their instruments. A heightened state of sensitivity has resulted and not a hearing loss, even though, under these conditions, sound pressure levels of well over 100 dB are common. I spent many summers rehearsing daily in orchestras and bands numbering well over 200 players in the Interlochen Bowl of the National Music Camp, Interlochen, Michigan. In spite of the enormous sound-pressure-levels, many of those musicians have grown up to be among the finest in the world, with excellent hearing. Long before the present public awareness of the dangers of loud volume listening, The Anstendig Institute conducted test sessions in which long tapes of music having the same equalization characteristics were played. The listening was begun at a moderate volume level and the music was correctly equalized to sound natural at that level. The volume was then slowly increased until sound pressure levels of 100 dB to 115 dB occurred momentarily at climaxes. Each successive increase in volume was carefully re-equalized to retain the same natural sounding quality. At the end of these sessions, everyone present was invariably hearing louder and more perceptively. Room sounds, like the hum of the amplifier's power supply, the residual noise coming through the speakers, street noises, every tiniest movement by anyone in the room, were suddenly disturbingly loud whereas, before the session, no one noticed them. One could literally hear a pin drop. It was obvious to everyone that this was due the deeper state of relaxation of muscle-tensions their bodies had relaxed into while listening. That became clear when we disturbed the physical state we were in by getting up and doing other things that demanded the tensions of our usual bodily movements and reactions: some of the acuity of our hearing had been lost when we then returned to listening, but everyone noticed that they were still hearing louder than before we listened to the loud music. The above examples should not be misunderstood as claiming that the dangers of loud music and loud noise have been exaggerated. The hearing losses that have been observed are very real and scientifically well documented, and there is no reason to doubt the audiologists' warning that the problem is reaching epidemic proportions. The above examples merely indicate that there is much more to the problem than currently indicated and that, at volume levels that are within known human tolerances (up to short term peaks of 110 dB to 115 dB--the threshold of pain is 140 dB) not ALL loud sounds are damaging. Some can, under the right conditions, be beneficial. But most people cannot adequately differentiate between dangerous and not-dangerous sounds, so it must be emphasized that one should, as a rule, avoid all unnecessarily loud sounds. Obviously, music played by an orchestra in a rehearsal and the music used in The Anstendig Institute's tests differ greatly from the usual sounds that we are bombarded with in our everyday lives. Musical sounds are not merely noise. They are, in the case of the rehearsal room, relatively refined sounds produced live by those present in the room, whose bodies are vibrating in the same vibrational flow of the music they are playing. The recorded music used by the Institute has been screened by Mr. Anstendig, a trained orchestra conductor. Only music played in the most refined manner possible, both in its expressiveness and in its rhythmic flow, is used. Of utmost importance is the fact that the music is equalized by Mr. Anstendig so that it sounds natural and that the equalization is readjusted for every change in the overall volume level. Our tests indicate that one can be hearing louder and more sensitively after relaxed listening at louder volume levels (85 to 100 dB, with momentary peaks above 100 dB) IF THE PERFORMANCE IS OF HIGHEST QUALITY, IF THE SOUND REPRODUCTION HAS BEEN CAREFULLY EQUALIZED WHILE LISTENING, AND IF THE LISTENER REMAINS RELAXED AFTERWARDS. This phenomenon is not, however, limited only to listening at loud volume levels. The same phenomenon of increased sensitivity can occur when listening to music at moderate levels. The Anstendig Institute also observes this in its more typical test sessions during which the music remains mostly within 60 to 80 dB volume levels, with peaks of about 90 to 95 dB. The conclusion is that being subjected to 70-80 dB of noise is probably dangerous only because of the ERRATIC quality of the noise, not because of the volume level. Finest music at those volume levels would have the opposite effect. This goes on into more sections and goes even deeper into it. Citing things like, "But because of the effect produced on our bodies, we strongly suspect that these types of less-than-impeccably performed recordings play the greatest role in hearing loss from listening to recordings, especially when the volume level stays below 100 dB. This supposition strongly supports our conclusion that, with low volume-level noise, it is the ERRATIC quality of the noise that is responsible for hearing damage." And again...[A very possible effect is that the sounds and the other (usually mechanical) vibrations could be vibrating at rhythmic dissonance to each other, thereby causing ill-effects on one's hearing mechanism. Based on reading this you get the point. They say it a bit better than I did but I remember reading this some time ago and found it interesting. My previous statement was that mid level dissonance be more damaging than loud music that is harmonious. It gets a bit more indepth than that but I think it's obvious I didn't make this up. Opinions vary, I tried ear plugs and they made everything muffled (go figure it did its job!). Why did you take my statement to boofer and try and turn it into something mean or bad? I expressed I was sorry for her hearing loss but cited the fact that movies today have this effect. It's called Surround Sound. Even if you don't have it, pop a dvd in and set your tv or sound system to surround. The action will be quite loud but the voices will be low. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/11 at 00:15:38 When I was in the Air Force we took a signal generator & a speaker & got guys around from different career fields. Radar REpair, Radio repair, CCTV & others,, as the signal generator was taken thru the frequency range, the guys from one career field would suddenly stop hearing, at other frequencies, other groups would drop out..The explanation? Cooling fans,, a fan with 6 blades turning 1000 rpm will make ya stop hearing 6,000 cycles.. & the different equipment all used different fans,, so we all had different hearing losses. None of it was loud, but it was the steady exposure. As for coming in here & getting personal & callin people stupid,, Im not thinkin thats too cool,.. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/09/11 at 01:10:46 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
fans? That's just weird lol. But makes sense, what a weird but interesting world we live in. I remember once my guitarist and I got together to jam at my house. Hot summer day. I plugged into my lil Fender and started playing...everything had a tremelo effect but this amp only had reverb. Josh (the other guitarist) plugged in his little marshall and had the same effect. I realized my ceiling fan was on so I shut it off, no more tremelo effect! And thanks. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/09/11 at 06:17:42 My my, magicninja, we touched a nerve, eh? Sorry to have peed in your cornflakes, but, all your protestations notwithstanding, you are still absurdly wrong. Far from being bothered by your epithets, my main emotion is pity. I can have a lot of self-pity for my ignorance and stupidity; it is quite logical that I would pity you for yours as well. So many of us here have been in your situation and have damaged our bodies forever, regretting our own stupidity that caused the ringing/roaring sound that won't go away, and the self-inflicted punishment each every time we have to say, "what?" If we are still in contact 10 or 20 years from now, I will feel very little satisfaction from you finally admitting the stupidity of the way you are mistreating your ears. .. I always use size 14 for character size. I've used it in the previous 237 messages posted here. I do this as a favor to those of us who get headaches squinting at the default size 11 tiny characters. The shouting effect comes from using all caps,.. which I never do. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by arteacher on 07/09/11 at 08:04:00 If I was a young man again I would become an audiologist. I have a "traveling" lesson complete with sound bytes of what hearing loos sounds like, and overheads regarding the levels at which teens listen to MP3 players. I measure the level at which they listen, then give the lesson, then set their players to a safe level, using an SPL meter. Some take it to heart, most don't. Believe it or not the AVERAGE level at which they listen is 106 db. That is safe for about 15 min per day. I have also done dance supervision with my meter and measured spl's of 124 db, which is jet engine territory. This is leading me to believe that almost all teens have permanent hearing loss already, and will have serious loss before they are 30 or 40. :( |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Boofer on 07/09/11 at 08:23:56 I haven't read all the posts, but I can guess it's about what it was a year ago when this started up then. Some only go by the law, some go by their rights, some go by science. I go by what is respectful of my fellow man. Respect. It is a vanishing concept but one I adhere to. ;) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/11 at 09:26:56 Now, why did I take the trouble to fix this noise war thing up so it can continue unabated? Because it is a good one and I want to play too !!! Hey, I am gonna put a poll up for the old geezers to answer because the young studs haven't gotten to the payback time yet and aren't getting the results of what they did to themselves yet. Look at the poll and realize what we are all saying --- we did dumb shite to our hearing when we were young and immortal and the bill didn't come due until we were old and creaky. And it pisses us off when we try to tell you and you testosterone back at us (which reminds us of yet another thing we miss and that pisses us off yet again) Old farts are crotchety fer a reason .... ;D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/11 at 09:34:20 Only vote if your are 55 or older. Vote as many as you like that apply to you. All you young puppies read it and try to understand why we try to tell you NOT TO DO THIS TO YOURSELF !!!! |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by jdeluca on 07/09/11 at 11:00:47 I'm not 55 yet, and as such am restraining myself from voting. For the record, I'm 30. I have been working around diesel generators (Cat, Cummins, and Detroit's) for the past 7 years, oftentimes with ear plugs or ear protection of some type, and many times with no protection at all minus a finger in my left ear. Why only the left ear? It's the one that works better. I've started using ear protection more often than I used to because I noticed that my hearing has gotten worse. There is one particular incident that I remember that I know affected my hearing; I was working on a piece of equipment (low voltage transfer switch, 480 VAC) when I made a mistake and took phase voltage to ground resulting in an arc flash type explosion. Besides the brightness of the flash which resulted in seeing spots for a couple of hours, the boom from the flash resulted in ringing in my ears, more so my right one which still rings occasionally. This was about 6 years ago when it happened. The incident also prompted me to start smoking again (I had quit roughly 6 months earlier after being in the hospital for 5 days with pneumonia, but that's another story for another day). Fortunately, I managed to have no other adverse affects, I was lucky and didn't get burnt, and besides the hearing problem, I am in good shape. SO....moral of the story? Wear hearing protection when at all possible, because that is the only thing that once gone does not return. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/11 at 12:00:43 Ya need to add a "too young to vote" button so we youngin's can see what you old farts are up too. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by jdeluca on 07/09/11 at 12:13:22 Quote:
+1 Vers! |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/11 at 12:29:22 Now that's plumb lazy, Verslagen could have fixed his button hisself iffen he had a wanted to. But oh no, he had to go ask the feeble minded old fart to go do it -- let's see if Oldfart remembers how to push the right button without deleting the whole thang. ;D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by Gyrobob on 07/09/11 at 12:30:48 7E5D5557545D5D5443310 wrote:
Well stated. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Gyrobob on 07/09/11 at 12:33:05 404E4F465F494B2A0 wrote:
Well stated. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/11 at 12:34:23 And Bob, you get to remind me next time I snap at a young puppy fer chewing on my tail, it's not like we all haven't done it at some time or another so don't feel individual about it -- they are right aggravating at times ('cept for the young girls, that is -- they are kinda cute) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/11 at 13:08:39 55767E7C7F76767F681A0 wrote:
You filled all the slots, and not seeing the results, didn't know which one didn't matter. Now for myself, I kinda sided with majik. I used to work at a company that designed dot matrix printers. And they ran quality testing 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. I'd go to sleep with the ringing in my ears. About 20 yrs later now, they're gone. 5 years ago I added the melodious supertrapped thumper to my life and the little bell ringers have not returned. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Serowbot on 07/09/11 at 14:53:13 Haven't read all the posts,.. so I may be repeating... ... and I did see Magicninja make mention of it... Watch out for I-pods!,... earbuds etc... They are worse than shooting, riding, and playing rock'nroll... It's the difference between riding in the wind,... and sticking an air compressor nozzle up your nose... :-?... |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Oldfeller on 07/09/11 at 16:00:58 The loud music I fear for is the guy in the bebop car (debaged Honda something or other) that pulls up next to you and the guy's music is VERY LOUD inside your well insulated quiet road noise killing luxury mobile. You look over and you notice his rear view mirror is moving in time with the bass notes coming out of the giantnormous sub-woofers bolted to the floor of the rear hatch back. Then you look over at your mirror and it is moving too ..... yikes !! But then again in our generation we though nothing of walking in front of the concert speakers at the outdoor band performances -- and they would literally rattle yer teeth at that close range if you remember correctly. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/11 at 16:05:17 Longview Texas,, car pulls up next to me at a lite,, I can hear the body panels vibrating,, its so LOUD,, sounds like crap,, but its LOUD,,, I look over at the driver,, & HE is wearin earplugs!!! I made it backfire with the kickstand ,, just to shake him up,, wadda maroon |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by ncron1103 on 07/09/11 at 16:43:19 51505A120 wrote:
Ive got the sportster muffler on mine is its not loud at all |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Max_Morley on 07/09/11 at 18:52:44 As a 20 year wearer of hearing aids, I hope that you will do all things possible to protect your hearing. In the good old USN I stood a water maker watch between #4 main engine turbo and the 2 vapor compressors on the water makers. For days after we came in port I would be all but deaf and the corpsman's answer was cotton balls in the ear. After that I worked 3 summers in State of Alaska Marine Hiway engine rooms w/o any protection. Many years later I took a trip on the new Ferry and asked to go in the engine-room. Answer was no. While machinery is in operation, all personnel will wear ear muffs from opening the engine room hatch until departure. Failure results in 1 warning, 2nd time off the boat no matter where you are in your shift , 3rd time immediate dismissal. They finally figured it out and no visitors. This included in port time when not on shore power. Like what folks have said before, hearing loss usually does not come back and once the nerves are damaged there is no hope. Hopefully your insurance will help you with hearing aids. Last pair cost $3000. Insurance only pays $2000. damage one or get it wet, $500 to repair. They are a hassle as if turned up too loud, will ring in your ears, My chemo creates acne like pimples, a pimple under a earpiece is really painful. They whistle when the pillow has a plastic cover, hospitals and hotels. Turn 'em down and then you cannot understand what is being asked of you and the answer you guess at often is cause for much merriment. Phones, especially cell phones are next to useless. Movies are a thing of the past, even with the headphones that good theaters provide, you miss all the quiet parts. Conversation in a noisy room is next to impossible. Wind noise from the road in a vehicle makes listening to the radio or music almost impossible. I could go on. I do believe we will have generation of hearing impaired folks from the car steeros that make the car vibrate. My audiologist told me even the blue tooth versions coming onto the market won't help my kind of hearing damage. Please protect your hearing!! huh? Max |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Ed L. on 07/09/11 at 18:57:17 I saw the Rolling Stones in '72 and still remember being almost deaf for three days after. The poll is missing my favorite, race cars, either circle track or 1/4 mile strips. No matter what caused it I've a ringing in my ears that never clears up. And yes to anybody who asks, it was worth it, every darn decible. ;D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by bill67 on 07/09/11 at 19:40:23 My left ear has been ringing since 1962 It was at the rifle range in the army where it started and as never quit,I went to doctor when I got out,He said the ear drum was inverted he treated it for about a month it didn't help so I quit going.Its on my army medical records.I try to get a pension for it but they wanted me to tell them what other guys in my outfit remembered it.I had no way to do that.I know guys that get and extra $100 a month from the government for it .But it didn't work for me. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by WD on 07/10/11 at 04:14:24 I actually have low frequency issues. I can hear sirens for miles, can't hear Lisa across the table in a restaurant. I can hear the exhaust leak in my drivable Ranger, can't hear the project one running. I could go on. Years of chainsaws, guns, motorcycles, growing up near Air Force and Army bases (with artillery batteries), military service... it all adds up. Constant pressure in my ears. I still won't run a stock late model motorcycle exhaust. They don't sound right anymore. My 2005 Vulcan 800 Classic had stock exhaust, sounded awful. My 1999 Vulcan 800A had Cobra exhaust, a bit tinny at higher rpms but great the rest of the time. Sounded like a single crankpin v-twin should sound. My Savage has a decent sound, not as pathetic as stock, not as loud as when it was open. I don't like straight pipes, fart can ricer mufflers or cherry bombs (except on big block mopars). |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by arteacher on 07/10/11 at 06:06:48 545F5A5A0001360 wrote:
My dad was an electrician and instrument mechanic in a lancaster squadron during WWII. Part of his duties were to set the magnetos on the engines at 10,000 ft altitude. The two outer engines had the magnetos mounted in the fuselage, but he had to crawl down the wing root to set them on the inner engines. It was very loud in there and he suffered from hearing loss because of this. When he turned 70 or so veteran's affairs came to see him and explained that he could apply for a pension, which he did. They gave him $110 a month for the rest of his life. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by skatnbnc on 07/10/11 at 08:19:01 382E29312F6D5C0 wrote:
You MUST be kidding! When the baffle fell out of my HD dyna pipe I sounded like a darn Concord jet booming when I went past people! :o I was embarassed it was so loud!!! :-[ Took it in to the shop and had the baffle replaced - now its just LOUD enough and when I want more, I rev the throttle. 8-) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by skatnbnc on 07/10/11 at 08:37:55 4251150 wrote:
Same here - Air Force kid and exposure to aircraft jets from age 1 for 17 years, going to airshows, watching artillery demos, standing near runways to watch the jets practice touch & goes, the works. And strange how I was exposed to very HIGH frequency noise, but it affected my LOW range of hearing. Then I started living history and...constant exposure to blackpowder weapons, cannon and mortars. And I mean CANNON...including Howitzers and the like. http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/07/10/bikepics-2237839-800.jpg I found it interesting to see how many people listed "lack of protection when using guns"...we know its bad for us, but we still didnt use any ear protection. Thats a bunch of badarse peoples...who are now deaf as posts! ;D Oh well.... ::) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Boofer on 07/10/11 at 10:00:39 Skate girl, A little ringing after a day of shooting was considered manly. Just remember how old some of us are. I mentioned to my wife that I can actually say I have known some of my friends for 50 years. :'( Men, don't do that. We actually didn't know any better. Our uncle sat on the porch and watched us lighting M-80s and Cherry bombs and, lighting a cigarette for us to use for lighting them, said, "Son that last one nearly got your hand." |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Spiff on 07/10/11 at 10:44:01 I have slight hearing loss at high frequencies due to listening to and playing in loud rock and roll bands. But, being a stubborn male, I still don't wear earplugs when I play, but at least I have my reasons. I need to hear the on-stage monitors to keep me singing in key! But now at least when I'm at a concert, I wear earplugs (if I remember to bring 'em). As an MSF RiderCoach, I tell any student who asks about loud pipes the following true statement: There are no conclusive studies showing that loud pipes have any impact on fatality rates. I try to leave it at that, because the topic gets very complicated very quickly when one digs into it further. For example, how COULD a researcher design a study in the real world that could adequately test this hypothesis? (Simply put, you can't.) Well, what about looking at dead motorcyclists? Are there a higher percentage of super-quiet Gold Wing riders who die as compared to loud-piped HD riders? Maybe. Maybe not. But any such analysis would suffer from a host of confounding variables such as helmet use/non-use, other safety gear use/non-use, rider experience, rider recklessness, just to name a few. Plus, the cops record a lot of things when they write up a fatal, but loudness of pipes ain't one of 'em. So, the only evidence that anyone has on this matter is anecdotal evidence, which is no evidence at all. It comes down to this, in my opinion. Sure, loud pipes may get car drivers to notice you sooner, but that loudness very rarely helps drivers in front of you to hear you, and those are the drivers who really need to notice you (i.e., the one who might turn left in front of you). And plus, any drivers who DO hear your pipes are likely to be: 1) behind you or beside you, 2) startled by your pipes and may jerk the wheel in response (I know I have done this), and/or 3) pissed off by the loudness, which may bump up the chance for road rage retaliation. Bottom line for me: Loud pipes may be effective in a few specific situations, but their downsides -- (1-3 above), plus I hate hearing loud pipes -- means that I have chosen to ride a bike with quieter-than-average stock pipes, which I have not modified. Works for me. Your mileage may vary. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Sunchasers on 07/11/11 at 12:55:36 072A2A232037450 wrote:
The poll needed one for hearing damage from fireworks.... I would have answered "Yes" for sure! :-/ |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by LostArtist on 07/11/11 at 14:26:41 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
. . . . ;) as a kid huh? jk JOG |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/11 at 15:34:22 Well,, it wa worse back then,, still bad now, tho,, yea, you got me figgered out.. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by kimchris1 on 07/11/11 at 18:31:39 I don't like pipes that leave my ears ringing minutes after the bike has passed. The kind that make the pavement move, you know the kind I am talking about. Now a nice rumble, yeah that is ok. I have hearing loss as birth defect. Yet seems those loud pipes even make that ear ache..kim |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Trippah on 07/11/11 at 19:22:52 Well, I was an Audioloigst. If you haven't had your hearing tested by one, I would not accept your own assessment of your hearing..t is amzing how many people can't hear a car about to run them over but insist they hear "normal." The variety of causes of hearing loss is staggering (like the number of great motorcycles) with loud noise, birth defect and high fevers to name a few. If you are exposed to noise that is loud enough to cause your ear to ring for a while afterwards, then you will be damaging your hearing. Those of us oldies with tinnitus (usually a higher pitched ringing) face a different issue. As I pointed out in my previous post, recruitment (the abnormal growth in percieved loudness for the amount of increase as measured) means that those of us who have it (it usually is found in those with tinnitus) can find a louder noise painfully loud. This is a major reason most grandpa's don't like loud music. ;D ;D ThaT And the fact they cna't make out the words anymore. ;) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by kimchris1 on 07/12/11 at 10:58:29 Ya had I not had my hearing checked by an Audiologist, I would not have known about the birth defect. I thought it was due to a bicycle accident when I was a kid. Come to find out, forgive me if I say it wrong, the Stapies bone was deformed. So the Dr. took it out and replaced with a Titanium prosthesis about 7 years ago. It helped some yet not 100%. Dr. said more surgery, I said no. Only thing with the Titanium prosthesis, it won't allow any MRI's to performed due to the metal. When we go to the races, we now take our ear phones. those cars and motorcycles racing are very loud..:) kim |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by photojoe on 07/14/11 at 08:53:25 You can ride with loud pipes and still not be an idiot. It's about consideration for others. I ride a lot of roads in farmland. Bicycle riders and runners also frequent these roads, as do people on horseback. There's little enough traffic, so it's safe to pull in the clutch when passing these people/horses, and I do it all the time. They respond with smiles instead of the finger 8-) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Oldfeller on 07/14/11 at 10:21:35 Photojoe, a true story .... For the jollies of it I rented one of the .50 caliber namesakes (your pic by your name) when they first became available. It was a big deal back then as it trumped a .44 magnum by a wide margin. Brass alone was an ounce and a half ..... and one landed on the top of my head (rim down of course) after flying straight up and bouncing off the ceiling of the shooting booth. I had blood running down my face when I exited the range and I pointedly suggested to the attendant that they only rent the gun for outside range use since it throws its heavy as hell sharp edged brass straight up in the air. ::) (fingering the circular scar on the top of his noggin as he types) |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Serowbot on 07/14/11 at 10:38:33 Supposed to do the Gangsta' hold with a gun like that... Shoot the empties at the guy next to you... ;D... http://shitwehate.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/thug_sideways_pistol_aim.jpg |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by photojoe on 07/14/11 at 14:56:02 1B3830323138383126540 wrote:
Happens to even the most experienced shooters at one time or another OF. I'm sure you've seen this chick shooting the Desert Eagle 50 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRgYtp3HfvY&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s[/media] There's a good reason to only load one round. God knows where the second one would've wound up. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Serowbot on 07/14/11 at 15:05:19 I shot a 357mag that accidentally got a double-dose handload... over the back end of a pick-up bed... Made my front teeth vibrate like a tuning fork... I think I talked funny for the rest of the afternoon... Think,... Elmer Fudd on helium...;D... |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Boofer on 07/14/11 at 17:11:25 PhotoJoe. I got a glimpse of a new Glock based .50 in a magazine. You may have seen it. Can't remember the company. I have a Model 22 in 40 S&W and assorted stuff inherited and birthdayed, and bought over 45 years. In other words, according to the News on tv, AN ARSENAL!!! Dummies. ;D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/11 at 20:04:22 3B2D3A273F2A273C480 wrote:
I got 45 that only had the primer,, bullet lodged in the barrel,, thank GOD it stopped in the breech so the next round wouldnt load.. or I would blown the gun up.. You may not blieve this, but I havent bought any more reloads from that guy.. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Sunchasers on 07/14/11 at 22:03:42 2234233E26333E25510 wrote:
Ummm... no bugs?? ;D My Ruger M77 338 mag with muzzle break shoots nicely in regards to recoil, but the raport is directed slightly back in all directions. :-/ It makes the sand and dirt dance. :o |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by photojoe on 07/16/11 at 08:27:10 0D2020292A3D4F0 wrote:
An arsenal, I love it. A guy got arrested in my area a couple of months ago. He had 200 rds. of pistol ammo that the newspaper called "an arsenal of ammo." I call it an hour or two at the range :D |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by photojoe on 07/16/11 at 08:29:16 5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:
I got 45 that only had the primer,, bullet lodged in the barrel,, thank GOD it stopped in the breech so the next round wouldnt load.. or I would blown the gun up.. You may not blieve this, but I havent bought any more reloads from that guy.. [/quote] Ahh yes Justin, the infamous "Squib." Good thing you caught it, and it farted out in the breech. The squib is only an annoyance. The round coming after it is the one to worry about. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by Serowbot on 07/16/11 at 09:13:04 When I go plinkin', I usually shoot nearly a full brick of 22's... So I keep about three bricks of ammo in stock at home... I imagine, if I were ever arrested,... the report of 1500 rounds would put me in the "Nut" category... ;D ;D ;D... ...(plus,.. you never know when you'll need 1500 rounds for zombies).... :-?... |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by photojoe on 07/16/11 at 09:38:53 6472657860757863170 wrote:
I hear ya Botman. I ordered 2800 rds. of .22lr on Wednesday from Natchezss.com. It's hard not to when it's on sale for $17 per box of 525. Sharon and I have been shooting outside at Fort Dix every Wednesday and can easily go through 500 rds. of .22 in addition to some 9mm and .38 spl. |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! hearing war is declared Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/11 at 10:33:53 5A42455E4540452A0 wrote:
An arsenal, I love it. A guy got arrested in my area a couple of months ago. He had 200 rds. of pistol ammo that the newspaper called "an arsenal of ammo." I call it an hour or two at the range :D[/quote] Did he get arrested Because of the bullets or did they arrest him & then say he Had an arsenal? OHH, & BTW,, theres no law against having hundreds of guns & thousands of bullets,, its just that only crazy people do that, so, its frowned upon,, people frown at me a lot.. &, for that lever action rifle or wheelgun in 22 caliber,, theres some fun to be had shooting the Aguila powderless 22 bullets, In a lever action, you can actually hear the hammer fall, its quieter than a pellet gun. Just a primered case & a light lead, |
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Title: Re: I don't like loud!! Post by MagickNinja on 07/20/11 at 13:14:29 54777F7D7E77777E691B0 wrote:
I never said you guys were wrong. I never said I "wasn"t" damaging my hearing. I merely pointed out that I'm not you, everyones body reacts differently. This is why I explained that playing loud music that is properly eq'd and harmonious is not damaging but can actually be beneficial. If you want to read about it, the article I posted is actually much bigger. I merely grabbed a couple paragraphs to show I wasn't making this up. I know what your talking about, I never said anyone was wrong. Frankly I have better things to do than be called names and basically called a liar by some......person. |
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