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Message started by Z on 05/31/11 at 13:17:12

Title: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 13:17:12

Hi! I'm brand new here so please excuse any newbie mistakes I may make. [smiley=embarassed.gif] We have 2 Savages. Mine is a '98 and my husband's is an '03. We have had them for about 5 years and never had any real problems with them. Yesterday we took them on a longer ride and they both started acting up. Sputtering and then cutting out. We had just filled them up so it wasn't an empty tank. Yes I remembered to take it off reserve. ;)It got especially bad trying to go uphill. Mine died out twice and my husband's died once. We figured it was just b/c we had run them low on gas and there was some sediment floating around. Once it got settled back down they would be ok. We managed to get home and parked them for the night. In looking online as to what the problem could be, we came across this site. We decided to add an inline fuel filter to filter out any gunk that might be the problem. He got mine done and we took them out for a ride. It is still chugging and sputtering and dying. In fact it completely died out and left me stranded. At first there was fuel going through the filter (we got a clear one so we could see it) but after a couple of miles, it was bone dry. It's like the gas isn't flowing like it should. His bike was sputtering but not as bad as mine. I couldn't even get mine to start back up today. >:( He is thinking that we need to tear the carb apart and clean it and also clean the petcock and change the oil and oil filter and air filter. To take it somewhere to have it done will be about $300. Does anyone have an opinion on what the problem could be? He called the repair place and asked if it could be the petcock and they told him that you never need to clean the petcock and that it isn't that but I have read a lot of posts on here that say you DO need to clean and/or completely change it. I am a little leery about taking it to them. The carb was tore apart and cleaned about 2 years ago (someone different than the repair place).

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by weracerc on 05/31/11 at 13:36:49

Hi glad you found us - if it were my two bikes i would start with the Raptor petcock conversion fairly cheap and definitely a do it your self job - I did mine took all of 20 minutes tops - plug the vaccum line off the carb oncce you make the conversion......if it still acts sputtery (new English!) add some Seafoam to the tank to clean the carb...if that does not fix it then you might try the Jetset kit from LANCER a little more involved but tstill a do it yourself job - lastly if all that fails you might need to tear down the carb and clean it last resort - I would also put in a new spark plug.

I am sure you will a lot of good advice on here listen to Verslagen & LANCER especially they know their stuff.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by EJID on 05/31/11 at 13:54:34

My guess would be either a petcock issue as explained, or loose/cracked vacuum lines (cheap & easy to replace), or some gunk in the carb (try some seafoam in there before tearing it down)

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/11 at 13:55:25

Well you've been making a mistake for 5 years and you've finally gotten around to fixing it... welcome. ;)

Sounds like a petcock problem, funny how's it stuck both bikes at the same time. Serowbot will be along with the test procedure shortly.

But simply which the petcock to prime when it sputters to determine if it's the cause. Check the vac line for fuel and cracks and such. Hit the link below and go down to carbs... stock... carb spec's. for which one is the vac line.

And it can't hurt to put a little seafoam in the tank once in a while.
check the air filter and such.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by OE on 05/31/11 at 14:04:12

If I read correctly they both started giving problems after you filled up? Possibly just be a bad load of gas.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 14:04:54

It sputters and dies no matter where I have the petcock set. I was able to get it started and running for just a little bit (not even a half mile) by switching it around but then it would sputter and die again until it finally died and wouldn't start at all. The husband just tried starting it in the garage and it started (after about 4 tries) and ran for about 1 minute and then it sputtered and died. Bear with me, I am not any kind of mechanically inclined :-[, are there different sizes of Raptor petcocks? My husband thinks that it is a Yamaha Quad part and was wondering.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by CalisOsin on 05/31/11 at 14:10:56

Suprised no one else has mentioned this, but if it struck both bikes at the same time, right after a fill-up, it's probably bad gas. I'd start with draining and replacing the gas before taking anything apart.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by bill67 on 05/31/11 at 14:14:15

It sure sounds like you got some bad gasoline,I would put some Sea Foam in the gas,Maybe even drain the gas that in there,I have had Suzuki petcocks that look just like the one on the S40,That lasted for years with out any problems.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 14:15:12

After mine did it yesterday, he told me that his had done it about a week ago. It was different gas from completely different places so I don't think it's that, but Thanks for the suggestion. :)

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by EJID on 05/31/11 at 14:25:38

The Raptor is a Yamaha quad as your husband mentioned.

Not sure if it matters what year, but lifted this part # from another thread:

petcock part # 5 Lp-24500-01-00

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 14:29:26

Thanks! We will be looking into getting 2.
He says that it's not bad gas b/c with the clear in-line filter we can see that it's not getting gas.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/11 at 14:53:57

015B0 wrote:

With it still giving you problems reguardless of the petcock setting... tells me it's not the vac line. Could be a petcock diaphragm failure though, check the vac line for gas.

And I'd check to see if you have the same problem with the gas cap open.

And then I'd check the petcock filter and the float valve filter.

How many miles on the bikes?

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 15:05:05

My bike has 9710.3 miles on it.
Took the gas cap off and it started right up and the inline filter filled up with gas.
The vac line has no gas in it.
It seems the problem is that the gas doesn't flow when the bke is in gear and moving. It will run until the fuel that has accumulated in the inline filter runs out and then it dies.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by EJID on 05/31/11 at 15:09:00

If it works with the cap off then possibly the vents in the cap are plugged up...somewhere on here there is a guide to cleaning/reassembling that as well.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 15:11:46

I don't know if it works with the cap off. It works in the garage but how can I drive it with the gas cap off to see if gas will continue to flow into the filter?

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/11 at 15:22:03

before you said it took four tries to get it started and it stalled soon after.

with the cap off you said it filled right up.

I think its the cap vent.

No one showed how to do it, but the vent needs cleaning.
And that would affect both bikes at the same time.
Keep the cats off the tank. :-?

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 15:27:55

495A4D4C535E585A510E3F0 wrote:

When he was first messing around with it, it did take 4 times to get it to start. After letting it sit, he tried it and it started and the fuel went in the filter.

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Z on 05/31/11 at 16:47:05

Well he's got my bike tore apart. He took apart the petcock and it wasn't clogged at all. The diaphragm seems to be working just fine. It doesn't appear that the cap vent had any kind of clog either. He's got the spark plug off and is checking it out. I don't know what else his plans are. So far it doesn't seem that there is any kind of clog or blockage anywhere. :-/

Ok he just came in a and said that there was some gunk build up of the petcock but he cleaned it off .

Title: Re: My Savage is not getting gas
Post by Boofer on 05/31/11 at 18:07:59

Since both acted up after fillup, I say bad gas. Easy to check, too.