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Message started by EJID on 05/29/11 at 21:56:47

Title: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics - updated 6/17/11
Post by EJID on 05/29/11 at 21:56:47

Alright, I picked up this muff for a song & dance from ebay & just got it installed.

http://pictures1.kyozou.com/pictures/_13/12618/12617333.jpg
Doesn't appear to have much of a baffle...
http://pictures1.kyozou.com/pictures/_13/12618/12617342.jpg
Started with a new Exhaust Gasket
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216295-full.jpg
Now you know why they call it a crush gasket, old one is significantly narrower than the new one.
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216296-full.jpg
Old one measured 3.33mm
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216297-full.jpg
New one measured 5.49mm
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216299-full.jpg
Installed & waiting for the RED RTV to cure at the 1 joint between the header and the new muffler
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216300-full.jpg
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216301-full.jpg
I do have a small chrome exhaust shield left to install after the RTV cures & I test for leaks
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216302-full.jpg
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216304-full.jpg
Looking down the throat of the FISH ;D
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216305-full.jpg
Comparison of the 3 mufflers I have had on this bike since I first got it.
Currently installed 36" Fishtail - Middle Weight
Stock muffler about 23" - Heavy Weight
HD Softail takeoff about 27" including the 7" adapter pipe with a 10^o bend - Light Weight
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/05/29/bikepics-2216306-full.jpg
I haven't fired it up yet to see how it sounds, but should be doing it soon. Let me know what you think...

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by prechermike on 05/30/11 at 03:50:22

Cool. BTW, I have the same saddlebags!

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by WD on 05/30/11 at 08:29:02

I've got the studded version of that saddlebag.

Muffler looks great. Are you going to add a band clamp around the body or was the rear stud and an extension bracket sufficient?

If that is an Emgo or Motoasia muffler the packing only lasts a couple months...

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by EJID on 05/30/11 at 10:04:48

Thanks for the comments, after the rain stops today I might get a chance to fire it up and see what it sounds like.

Got is so cheap on ebay because the seller didn't know what it was for/the brand or anything. I don't see any markings on it at all so I am just as clueless.

It had a rail mount on the back that I attached a piece of 1 1/8" steel about 12 inches long to attach to the stock mounting bracket.
http://pictures1.kyozou.com/pictures/_13/12618/12617337.jpg

Don't know how much, if any packing is in it and if it can be repacked. Only has these 2 allen head on the bottom of the muffler by the very end. (rt side of pic)
http://pictures1.kyozou.com/pictures/_13/12618/12617339.jpg

My only issue with those bags is sometimes the velcro doesn't keep them closed and I notice the lids flapping in the wind. Otherwise they are great.

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by prechermike on 05/30/11 at 11:29:44

EJID,
I noticed the velcro on one of my bags is not that sticky anymore. It is the one that I use 99% of the time, but I have never noticed them flopping. My bags are installed backwards from yours, the slope is toward the back. But that is the way the PO installed them. I never thought about turning them around.

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/11 at 12:19:07

Velcro craps out, you can get a snap & install or a peg on a strap & run it thru the mating side,, plenty of Close Em Up ideas. IIRC, people were running bags on bikes or horses even, as much as a week or so before they even came up with Velcro.

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by NameNotInUse on 05/30/11 at 17:39:02

That's a great looking muffler for the bike. Was it pretty straight forward to install? I love the bags as well, wonder if they'd fit on my 01 Savage.

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by webhead on 05/30/11 at 18:21:32

Awesome pipes!

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by EJID on 05/31/11 at 12:43:04

7659555D76574C71566D4B5D380 wrote:

That's a great looking muffler for the bike. Was it pretty straight forward to install? I love the bags as well, wonder if they'd fit on my 01 Savage.

It was pretty straight forward considering it was custom & I expected some of the issues.
To make sure I didn't have any exhaust leaks I started by taking the whole header off and installing a new crush casket at the manifold. I had to bend the stock mounting bracket some to help line things up and then cut/drill a piece of 1 1/8" steel for a make-shift bracket extension. After getting all the pieces to line up fairly well, I took it back off, added the Red RTV to the end of the header pipe, waited about 10 min (as directed) then slid it all back together and buttoned things down nice and tight.

Oh, and the bags are big tossover style that is run under the back seat. I had to relocate the signals to get them to fit and these ones are more of a square/rectangle shape so there is no definite front/back slant on them.

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by SoE on 06/01/11 at 06:30:23

The pipe looks very cool man!

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by EJID on 06/01/11 at 07:27:34

Rode it for the first time last night and WOW!!! It shocked me how much louder it is considering it is that much longer. Has a VERY defined pulse from each stroke in the lower RPM range. Will have to watch myself around the neighborhood. Haven't had a chance to really challenge the performance and monitor the need to change jets just yet, but plan on doing those when I get back from the family vacation next week.
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/06/01/bikepics-2217687-full.jpg

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by kimchris1 on 06/01/11 at 07:36:36

I like it. Looks great on the bike.. :) kim

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics
Post by Sunchasers on 06/02/11 at 10:41:11

I love the look! Got me to thinkin' now... not good... ;D

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics-updated 6/17/11
Post by EJID on 06/17/11 at 19:06:16

Time to rejet
Stock Main in my 2005 is a 145
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/06/17/bikepics-2226291-full.jpg

Stock pilot is a 52.5 - Boogered up the head removing it :( using a mirror got me confused & I was actually tightening it rather than taking it out. Lucky it didn't get stuck in there worse.
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/06/17/bikepics-2226294-full.jpg

Called my little brother that works @ the Honda shop to see if he can help me out after hours to get some jets...picked these up
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/06/17/bikepics-2226300-full.jpg

Was going to try the 150 instead of the 155, but the head on the 150 he had was almost 2x as thick.

Any recommendations? Running the 36" Fishtail pipe that is mostly unbaffled and a cone filter. My elevation is about 4600' It currently pops and crackles any time I let off the juice & I have made sure there is no exhaust leaks at either the head or the header joints. Tried the "roll-off" test on a section of road that was probably too short to really tell, but it did seem to accelerate when I let it off to 7/8 throttle. Also, when running w/choke 1/2 on I don't have any pops and crackles.

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics - updated 6/17/11
Post by EJID on 06/17/11 at 23:28:09

I just came in from finally getting back to the garage to put in the new jets, and I decided to try the 147.5 Main and the 60 Pilot. Readjusted the mix screw to 2 turns out and will have to wait until morning to fire it up. Don't think the kids or the neighbors would appreciate me revving the engine here at midnight. Oh well, hope I can try it out tomorrow.

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics - updated 6/1
Post by EJID on 06/18/11 at 17:07:50

Just tried it out and had to make some additional changes, as expected. Got it warmed up good, then started adjusting the mix screw, ended up at about 1 3/4 out. Took it for a run again to do the Roll Off test and it surged when I let it off a bit with the 147.5 pilot, so when I got back I swapped it for the 155 and buttuned things back together. Tried to readjust the mix screw, but didn't really change anything there. Ran it for the Roll Off test and it basically maintained when I let off so I guess I'm about right. Still backfires on even mild decelerations, so I may still have to adjust the spacer or the TEV spring, but I'll run it like this for a while to see how it does.

Conclusion:
36" Open Fishtail Pipe w/minor baffling and a Cone filter at my elevation of about 4600' required me to run a 155 main and a 60 pilot.

Maybe I can get out for a Father's day ride tomorrow, or if not, Monday 6/20/11 is National Ride to Work Day :)

Title: Re: 36" Fishtail - Lots of pics - updated 6/17/11
Post by EJID on 06/20/11 at 14:46:05

Rode it to work this morning and then again to run some errands around lunchtime and I think I still need to make some adjustments.

Kind of cold this morning and it really was bogging down on me right at first. After it warmed up a bit it ran better, but backfires on virtually all decels.

When I ran my errands it had warmed up so I think I got a better read, but it was surging in the mid-range. I think I will try swapping the pilot to 55 and the main to 147.5 and run it that way tomorrow.

(Just have to remember each time I change this what performs differently, so I can guess what to try next :-? )