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Title: cornering techniques Post by kimchris1 on 05/15/11 at 06:17:37 How do you sit on your bike when cornering and going thru curves? If I am turning at a light or intersection, I sit a little closer to the tank. If I am in the twisties it seems if I sit back a little farther, Genie glides right thru them. Just wondering if the rest of you do this or have thought of how you sit, when transitioning different riding sitiuations. :) kim |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by arteacher on 05/15/11 at 07:12:03 I don't move my posterior at all. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Serowbot on 05/15/11 at 08:28:05 I dated a girl like that once... :-?... |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by mick on 05/15/11 at 10:12:39 786E79647C69647F0B0 wrote:
I can see why it didn't last. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Starlifter on 05/15/11 at 11:14:38 ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by arteacher on 05/15/11 at 12:05:26 2A212128242B2A3031450 wrote:
Sorry Kimchris.... I didn't do it on purpose. :-[ |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by weracerc on 05/15/11 at 14:54:54 when in MFS class last week i noticed i did set farther back when doing the 135 degree corner - and yes closer to the tank for low speed sharpies - i guess the low speed sharpies are like steering a bicycle - no real "press" like in the higher speed longer curves. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by kimchris1 on 05/15/11 at 18:27:04 It's alright Arteacher, no harm done.. Glad some got a good laugh out of it.. Thanks Weracerc for your imput. Now I don't feel like I am the only one.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Boofer on 05/15/11 at 20:25:55 When I load up I stay put at the back of the seat. On the "You and your ride" thread page 27 you can see my awesome riding technique. I have 1 1/2" of memory foam on top of the factory foam. It's like when you are standing in the wet sand just back from the ocean. It forms around you and you don't slide. I use ArmorAll on my seat, also. (My motorcycle seat, that is.) :) |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/15/11 at 21:34:17 memory foam! Im puttin some in my helmet,, my memory has seriously gone to crap lately. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/16/11 at 04:01:28 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
I bought a memory foam pillow for the same reason,But I don't remember what I did with it. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by arteacher on 05/16/11 at 04:14:44 The usual jokers are in fine form today! |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by weracerc on 05/16/11 at 07:30:50 the farther back on the seat gives me room to extend my arms during the "press" part of cornering......and when i come to a light a usually stand up and adjust (stretch my legs etc.) and then set back in a closer to the tank position......then i make the tight sharp turn and then move back in the saddle as i come up on the longer sweeping turns again to allow room for the arm extensions required to counter steer - i.e. press left go left - press right go right.....I am just getting comfortable with this technique after going to the MSF class - I am positive i was driving the bike like a bicycle before the instructors told me i had that bad habit when class started. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Boofer on 05/16/11 at 18:59:58 I appreciate the MSF classes, and would take one when available, but riding is 'sposed to be fun. What ever happened to seat-of the-pants riding? I never heard of counter steer till 2 years ago, but surely I was doing it 38 years ago or my Kawa 3 cylinders would have killed me. Boy I'm grouchy tonight. Sorry. But not sorry enuff to delete this. ;D |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by kimchris1 on 05/16/11 at 21:09:55 I will admit, I don't have all the years experience riding some have. so if I feel I may be doing something differently yet it works, then yes I get curious as to whether anyone else rides like this or not. As for the jokers, :-* to you all..kim |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Boofer on 05/16/11 at 21:56:27 kimchris, I don't believe any question is dumb. That's how we learn. I just get riled lately, because it seems everbody in the world is leaning toward the educated, elitist explanation for everything. It's sorta like when schools just teach the answers to the test so everyone can have good grades. Theory is fine, but crap, someday you have to go out and prove it. I am all for new riders, but booklearning will only get you so far when conditions suddenly change. That's when we need critical thinking. No offense meant to you kimchris. I think you know me well enough to see that. Boofer |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by kimchris1 on 05/16/11 at 22:59:26 No offense taken Boofer.. I agree with you in fact. After being out of the saddle for 10 months, my confidence was greatly shaken. Their is no book that could bring that back for me. I have had to get out there and ride. I have had to lean to ride thru situations, that I used to do like it was second nature. I am determined to gain all of that and more back. Each time I ride I feel I am regaining more and more, yet I won't let myself get over confident. However, had I not taken the course and had some of that knowledge to fall back on, I may not have stuck it out either. Thanks for your input on this topic. I appreciate your input and again did not think you meant me any offense..Hugs, :-* kim |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 04:26:24 How do you counter steer a bicycle when your riding no handed.40 years riding I don't do the counter steer.That a good way to crash when something happens quick.The best way to ride a motorcycle is to learn yourself not someone telling you how.Who told you how to walk when you learned to walk. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by kimchris1 on 05/17/11 at 08:15:01 Bill, I get what your saying. However, having people around you, showing, teaching what they know is not going to hurt. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 08:34:50 Kim did you ever go around a corner on a bicycle with out touching the handle bars,If you did would told you how to do it. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by kimchris1 on 05/17/11 at 09:05:11 I was fortunate to have an older brother that showed me how he did it. I learned by watching him, then a lil bit at a time till I prefected it myself. Again thru practice I learned.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by babyhog on 05/17/11 at 09:09:22 Its still counter steering, we've always done it, somebody just gave it a name. And bill, you don't necessarily counter steer a bicycle, because counter steering only happens at higher speeds. Unless you are riding a bicycle over 25-30 mph, you probably don't counter steer it. And I certainly wouldn't want to round a corner on a bicycle at 30 mph with no hands. (probably did it in my younger days though! lol) |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Serowbot on 05/17/11 at 09:19:43 Countersteering is like electricity, ... you can't see it, but once you know it's there, you can put it to use... I'm going to work up a layman's explanation of the physics involved, once I get some time. Just for you, Bill... Basically,.. countersteering must happen in order for a single track vehicle to turn. ... and it has to do with overcoming gyroscopic inertia, and your front tire having a convex profile. If it didn't, and the tread were perfectly flat,.. a bike would not turn. Leaning would simply make you fall over... Bummer!... :-?... |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 10:20:57 How can you be pushing the handlebars when your not touching them,I read on a Honda page that there are 5 ways to steer a bike,I use 2 of them leaning and pushing on the foot pegs. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Serowbot on 05/17/11 at 11:34:12 Bill,.. more correctly, the Honda page should say,.. "5 ways to induce countersteer"... You do this, by leaning and pushing with your feet... but, using your arms is quicker. ...and being able to avoid hazards more quickly is a worthy goal... The proof of this is that a bicycle or motorcycle with a fixed steering head will not turn, no matter how hard you lean. Also, incredibly,.. if a bike has a steering head that will allow the wheel turn from straight ahead to right, but not to the left at all... it still won't turn... because, it must first turn left to induce countersteer before going right... Freaky, huh?... :-?... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C848R9xWrjc[/media] |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 11:44:21 If your want to lean right on a curve you can lean a little to the left and then to the right it will lean over easier. I think why so many people on here and that have taken the riders course have crashed is because when they get in a hard situation they push on the wrong side of the handle bar,When you steer by leaning you just lean the way you want to go,Its much quicker and safer.I've tried pushing on the handle bars to turn really feels unsafe to me. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 11:50:03 Also when you lean to the right your automatically are putting pressure on the right handle bar even though your not pushing it. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Serowbot on 05/17/11 at 11:54:38 5E5550500A0B3C0 wrote:
very likely true... ;)... |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 11:57:47 Very likely true my a$$ it is true ;) |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Serowbot on 05/17/11 at 12:06:05 true... :-[... |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by weracerc on 05/17/11 at 12:09:33 one of my instructors kept after me to quit leaning so much and turn my head and look where i was heading during the 135 degree brake, look, press & roll training...I eventually passed that part of the test with no deductions.....I have ridden bicycles for many years doing a t 28 mile round town ride every sunday during church hours so there would be limited traffic to deal with....now i ride my motorcycle 50 miles or more during my "Sunday ride" all the while practicing what i learned and comparing it to how rode the bicycle...there are a few differences and some learning/getting used to changes.....for those who oppose change(s) the MSF course might not be for you. Ilearned a long time ago as a public instructor one must embrace change or get left behind....as long as the reason for the change is adequately explained i dont have a problem making change(s). |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by Boofer on 05/17/11 at 12:55:02 A friend of mine summed it up nicely: "I don't mind change..as long it's an improvemt." ;) |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 12:55:41 6B7D6A776F7A776C180 wrote:
OK 8-) |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 13:00:18 All you young people probably had sex ed in school I didn't,But I've never gave up on learning how. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by babyhog on 05/17/11 at 13:24:23 42494C4C1617200 wrote:
But it was a woman somewhere who "taught" you how to do it "correctly".... right?? ;) See, you do know how to learn from someone else.... |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by bill67 on 05/17/11 at 13:42:03 2526272A28324B0 wrote:
But it was a woman somewhere who "taught" you how to do it "correctly".... right?? ;) See, you do know how to learn from someone else.... [/quote] I'm don't think I got it correct yet but I never give up. |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by weracerc on 05/17/11 at 13:52:26 my instructor for "that" also required the "look, press & roll" technique some things never change! |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by kimchris1 on 05/17/11 at 17:19:03 So Bill, your telling us that your still practicing, till you get it right? Theh what? Oh boy, do I really want to know the answer to that? :-/ kim |
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Title: Re: cornering techniques Post by babyhog on 05/17/11 at 18:07:59 Hey Kim, I guess he's either a slow learner or a perfectionist! Either is ok in my book ;) |
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