SuzukiSavage.com /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Rotella T looks gray /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1305332543 Message started by kevin r. on 05/13/11 at 17:22:23

Title: Rotella T looks gray Post by kevin r. on 05/13/11 at 17:22:23 I just put rotella t in my bike after I replaced the oil filter and drained the oil. I took it out for a 10 mile ride and came back to check the oil level. In the window the oil looked almost grayish and milky. What could this be from? Any help is greatly appreciated! Kevin

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by MotoBuddha on 05/13/11 at 17:37:01 A little leftover oil in the engine? There's always some in there.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by Oldfeller on 05/13/11 at 17:48:14 Kevin, You have just discovered one of the miracles of Rotella oils, which is the very strong detergent and particle suspension packages that good diesel oils require.   Rotella is intended to actively remove, trap and suspend trash in your engine and IT HAS STARTED DOING IT IN YOUR ENGINE right now. Within the first 10 miles it has found, stripped and suspended some of the crap your previous oils had left coating the inside flat surfaces of your engine.   Give it a few thousand miles and it will finish the job. You will find threads here on the list where we tell folks that Rotella can strip old sludge and varnish deposits from the inside your engine and the first oil change seems to come quickly (but really isn't necessary as Rotella will hold the shite in suspension for like 50,000 miles if you could tolerate leaving your oil in there that long). An example I gave was my late XV535 which had been oil abused by a female previous owner -- it had sludge so thick that the rocker arm motion went through a channel of congealed crap in when you took off the rocker covers.  My first oil change came real fast on that one when I first put the Rotella in it to clean it up.  Within the first year, all the sludge was gone and the parts were clean and shiny when you took the covers off to adjust the valves.   Rotella stripped and suspended all of it and all that crap poured out into the drain pan with the dirty oil. Magical stuff, that Rotella. And yes, you are normal -- nobody can tolerate holding off on that first oil change for the full recommended mileage.   They (like I did) go ahead and change it after a 1,000 miles or so jest to get the gawdawful ugly out of there. The next oil change will likely still get ugly relatively fast, but at the third and later all the crap should be gone and the oil will stay cleaner a lot longer.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by Routy on 05/13/11 at 21:22:02 Water in the oil ! I know, kinda hard to do w/ a savage, but I don't know that anything else will make it greyish and milky.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by kevin r. on 05/13/11 at 22:44:00 Thank you Oldfeller! I drained the oil a couple weeks ago and ran it through but noticed it was really milky this morning so I though that there may have been some gas left in the oil filter cover area from having a bad petcock previously. But after doing the full change and riding today I just wanted to be doubly sure! I love this bike so far and I want it to last.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by bill67 on 05/14/11 at 07:08:01 Sounds like metal grindings to me.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by BurnPgh on 05/14/11 at 07:21:41 313A3F3F6564530 wrote: Sounds like metal grindings to me. Take a flashlight to the peephole. If your milky look reflects the light and looks like very fine glitter bill may be on to something. To be sure, stick a long straw down the filler hole and cap the straw with your thumb to pull out some oil. Put it in a shallow bowl/lid/whatever and run a clean magnet through it. Anything sticking to the magnet?

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by Oldfeller on 05/14/11 at 07:41:58 Burn, you either .... 1)  you took Bill seriously    :D 2)  are simply being nice and cautious 3)  are attempting to provoke the first shots in the next general oil war Since Kevin is recovering from a gas-in-oil episode any of the above might actually apply, so now you got him all paranoid and fearful fer his engine.   Rotella would lift up and suspend all the micro fine aluminum particles that used to be on his piston skirt that had settled to the bottom of his cases as aluminum laden mud/sludge. :o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o  :o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o  :o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o Betcha Kevin changes his oil pretty durn quick to find out which case it really was .... ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D       you is all meanie and heartless, don'tcha all know it

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/11 at 11:36:33 Gonna take one heckuva straw to get to the oil, theres a baffle below the filler hole,

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by BurnPgh on 05/14/11 at 13:48:06 straw, hose, whatever it takes. Just being cautious considering the history. Its better than draining the oil completely to check.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/11 at 13:53:11 Ya dont Hafta drain it all to let some drip out the oil plug,, just keep a finger on the end of it & keep it poked in the hole,, try the fill hole idea, but dont be shocked if it just wont work.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by BurnPgh on 05/14/11 at 17:26:35 I personally havent been able to "drizzle" oil out in a controlable fashion from the oil plug. Then again i always change my oil when its hot, so that doesnt help.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/11 at 18:12:19 If you want to get some oil out, simply remove the timing port cover at your left ankle.  You can even do this running and oil will blow out.  Use a blue paper shop towel and if it's metal, you'll be able to see it.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by einheit13 on 05/14/11 at 18:28:55 0136312D13242B430 wrote: I personally havent been able to "drizzle" oil out in a controlable fashion from the oil plug. Then again i always change my oil when its hot, so that doesnt help. Trade your oil plug for a pipe fitting and attach a rubber hose to it long enough to tuck and tie to the frame. Plug the open end with a bolt and hose clamp. When you want to drain just a little oil, you clamp the hose with a pair of vice grips and replace the bolt and hose clamp. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/931/OilDrain1.jpg http://www.harleydavidsonmaintenance.com/images/drain-plug.jpg 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Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by bill67 on 05/14/11 at 18:55:44 I don't think that oil will show you the true oil state,I use Klotz and its red the oil that come out of the oil hose isn't red at all.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/11 at 19:52:14 If youre truly concerned about it, you can take a sample & and send it for analysis.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/11 at 10:11:45 Oil Analysis is expensive.   I think it is safer/cheaper just to change the oil again -- drain it hot fresh from a ride -- that way he can let the drained oil sit in the pan overnight and let any supposed sparklies settle out to the bottom of the pan. Gotta get them gol-darn ugly narsty sparklies out of there anyway .....

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/15/11 at 10:19:46 Ohh, Id definitely change it again.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by kevin r. on 05/15/11 at 10:31:44 I've already changed it three times since I replaced the petcock :/ once was with crappy oil and the other two times were with rotella. I still have the oil in my drainage container so I'll run a magnet through it today. I would drain a little oil today but it's raining and it will be until this Thursday. If there's a break in the weather I'll drain a little and let you guys know. But for today I'll just run a fresh magnet through the oil that I've drained so far :) Thanks for all of the help so far guys!

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/11 at 10:37:39 What ever possessed you to get you to put Klotz into your motorcycle before changing it over to Rotella? ;) <jest kiddin'  ---  you mentioned that special expensive oil classification that Klotz is found in so I thought I'd tease Bill a little bit given sech a good chance> PS     fine aluminum flakes from a piston skirt are non-magnetic

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by kevin r. on 05/15/11 at 10:43:03 I wiped a refrigerator magnet along the bottom of the container and nothing came up but I did notice that the rotella that was inside the container which used to be milky gray turned a deep black.

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by Oldfeller on 05/15/11 at 10:46:19 Definitely a case of Klotz contamination !!! ========================== Seriously,   run your bike and change your oil at the regular interval.   If you found no iron or aluminum flakes you are likely chasing butterflies & bunny rabbits. It's not like your transmission fluid is getting mixed into your oil or anything like that. QUESTION Is your carb float valve still malfunctioning or did you fix that already?

Title: Re: Rotella T looks gray Post by kevin r. on 05/15/11 at 11:00:29 I haven't checked the carb float valve but the carb was replaced recently with another used one. I still have the old one so I might tear into it this week and replace anything that looks rotted and clean the rest. The oil does not smell like gas anymore. I did the petcock and I though it fixed the problem haha.

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