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Message started by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 07:49:02

Title: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 07:49:02

i just got done replacing my headgasket, generator and clutch cover gasket. i hooked up all my wires including the coil plug wire. at first i thought the battery was dead so i charged it for on a 2 amp charge for just under 20 hours now and it still sounds like this (in the video) im gona take it to work and test the battery later.

i lined up all the timing the way the manual said to do it, i had pulled the plug on the generator housing to see if it was turning and it does, i can even use my ratchet to turn it.

try this link for video: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=217518194925052

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/11 at 08:02:53

Id pull the spark plug & see how it acts if you find the battery is good. How long did it sit since the last time the battery would start it?
Like you, Id look at the battery first, & it does sound pretty sad.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 08:12:46

id say it sat about 1.5 - 2 weeks since the last time i drove it and then started pulling motor out. ill try the spark plug thing after i check out the battery

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by verslagen1 on 04/21/11 at 08:29:46

What year bike?

Bikes with the torque limiter have washers that jump out before you get to see where they go. And more often than not, they get put back in the wrong place.

Easy way to check, pull the starter, reach in the starter hole with your fingers and turn the gear, should turn easily in one direction and not in the other. Also should be quite a bit of end play on both of the gears.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 08:39:56

2001.
and ill check that out

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 09:13:26

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd335/se7en-mm/werestartergoes.jpg is this the gear u are talking about? if so it does not move in either direction, but the gear on the starter moves in either direction

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by verslagen1 on 04/21/11 at 10:18:22

yep, gear in picture, take off cover, both washers go on the connected to that gear, one on either side.

BTW... eew.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 11:40:06

kinda lost me in that post, im supposed to have to washer that go around that gear, and its supposed to have one on each side of the gear?

once i got the cover off and put a washer on each side of the gear should i be able to turn it freely while the cover is off too? also are they just regular flat washers? because i think i only have one washer if i remember correctly because the gear and washers did fall when i pulled cover off.

ohh and yea i said eewww too, but im trying to get it running again then ill wash it. i hate oil leaks

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by Bubba on 04/21/11 at 11:44:28

22312627383533313A65540 wrote:

yep, gear in picture, take off cover, both washers go on the connected to that gear, one on either side.

BTW... eew.

Yep, sounds just like the one I fixed up and sold...washer is in the wrong place behind the stator cover. The thrust gear needs to have the washer on the outside of it or it binds on the case.
Pull the cover off, locate that washer and install it on the thrust gear...you'll be good to go!

Go to this link...
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/STARTER_CLUTCH/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/YearID/38/Year/1997/ModelID/6345/Model/LS650P_SAVAGE/GroupID/261343/Group/STARTER_CLUTCH

It is the #2 washer in the pic...

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 12:09:01

i like pictures lol ty bubba i think that washer that fell out i stuck on the number 3 part not the number 1, becuase #3 is what fell out not #1 and there was a washer that also fell and i just figured that it fell off with #3.

im gona take a look at it tonight when i get off work becuase i gota empty out my oil bucket and but some more oil. ill let you know how it turns out as soon as im done.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by Bubba on 04/21/11 at 14:09:37

LOL that's exactly what happened to me when I pulled the cover off the first time. In my case, the previous owner had actually put it in there wrong so I was really shooting in the dark.
Kudos to Versy for setting me right when I was doing the same troubleshooting on this forum...

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/21/11 at 22:26:58

well bubba you were right, that darn little washer is what was wrong. yu saved me a lot of work i had in mind. and probably still would not of gotten in right. your a life saver.

i thanks everyone else for helping me aswell.

i just have one more question. in my picture i posted earlier to the bottum left of the starter hole there is a hole, is that suppose to be there? just wondering. if your not sure were im talking about its right underneath the bolt to the left of the hole.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by verslagen1 on 04/21/11 at 22:52:00

555953570B0800380 wrote:

i just have one more question. in my picture i posted earlier to the bottom left of the starter hole there is a hole, is that suppose to be there? just wondering. if your not sure were im talking about its right underneath the bolt to the left of the hole.

That's a drain hole, otherwise, you'd have fish too. :o

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/24/11 at 19:08:21

lol, thats what i figured i just wanted to make sure so i could decide on what fish to buy.

ok well im back with another issue..

was driving down the highway and the bike kinda shutoff on me, i pulled over, switched it over to reserve and took the nearest exit while it shut off again but started right up and then i got into the gas station were it shut off again so i decided to fill it up anyways and didn't have a problem since then.

As i was leaving my father in-laws house he pointed out there was oil down the right side of the bike. I was like "oh crap" i check the oil level and it was full so i was looking around the engine and and seen a spot that it looked like it was leaking from. i will put up some pictures to see if you all could tell me if that hole is supposed to be there for part of the fish tank or if i blew a small hole in the engine.

picture 1 to give you idea were im talking about
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd335/se7en-mm/possiblehole.jpg

picture 2 is a close up
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd335/se7en-mm/holecloseup.jpg

im just curious because it seems like thats were the oil was leaking from but its not low either.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by Bubba on 04/25/11 at 06:09:18

The stalling out could be your petcock. Try running it on PRI which eliminates the vacuum end of the petcock. If it quits stalling then I'd replace it with a Raptor petcock.
As far as the oil leaking from where you indicate, that is probably the head plug fix which is in the tech section.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/25/11 at 10:12:25

on the head plug fix is there anyways you can link it to me i cant seem to find it i also did a search for "Head Plug Fix" and the only thing it found was the post that you mentioned it in.

i even looked through that section and didnt see it.

thanks

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 04/25/11 at 10:15:31

5F53595D01020A320 wrote:

All you had to do was go to the Tech/ref section, and look in the table of contents thread. But here ya go.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1099227295

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by Bubba on 04/25/11 at 10:19:15

Here ya go...

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1099227295

It shouldn't have anything to do with your stalling out problem. I'd make sure that your petcock isn't the source of that (cuz it's an easy fix) before I dive into the head plug.
You had mentioned the head gasket getting replaced in your original post. the head plug would have been easy if you had known there was a leak...

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by mako_308 on 04/26/11 at 08:59:26

after replacing the head gasket i cam across that darn plug and was thinking to myself what if this was my main cause of the oil leak and it just looked like the head gasket was leaking.

after see that plug laying on the counter top next to it i was trying to figure out were it went, after reading the manual i downloaded it showed me were to go and it said to apply some gasket sealant. which there was none there to begin with, i thought there would of been an o-ring on it or something but there isn't. so i just cleaned it up real good and some silicone sealant.

so at least i have a new head gasket anyways, and i got the experience of replacing it. but i believe my seal on the plug has broke loose in a spot and that's why its leaking.

as for the petcock, after i start the bike i go to give it gas and it dies on me. and when i switch it to prime it doesn't seem to do it. so i was thinking about doing the conversion to it which i found on this site looking for that plug fix.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1113631600

i also pulled off the little vacuum line from the petcock to the carb and gave it a little suck (i seen in another topic) but no gas came out. but i could taste it still.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by Bubba on 04/26/11 at 09:13:48

Bummer...plug should be installed with sealant..
Replace the petcock with this one:

http://www.ronayers.com/Search/N/687/Criteria/5LP-24500-01-00&adv=5&kw...

then make sure you cap off the end of the vac port on the carb. I used a small screw and then covered it with a rubber tip...

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/11 at 09:31:43

When taking things apart, Ive found that placing things in an order that keeps me from leaving stuff out saves me much misery. It took a few years of shafting myself to learn it. Now, I tape things or tie them or box them up in sub assemblies, Like, I woulda taken the plug & put it with the head cover, Im not ashamed to use notes, because I cant trust my memory. I also cant trust Il be able to get back on the project before Ill forget where things go, So, HOW I disassemble a project & how I store the parts is a important to me as my general mechanical ability.

* Note: Even with these "anal" ways of handling parts & taking pains in disassembly ( Like, I try to remember to sweep the floor before I mess with anything, so when I drop something, the floor isnt already covered with little things. I also lay rags down when Im messin around with parts that have tiny bits in them, like an ignition switch,, uh huhh,, little stuff in there), we are all still just fallible people & even the best efforts to not screw up can be thwarted by , well,, by us.

Title: Re: trouble starting bike..
Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 04/26/11 at 10:29:26

36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:

Another good thing to do if you have a digital camera is to take pictures of the thing you will be taking apart before you tear into it, that way you know what it is supposed to look like when it is assembled and gives you a good reference to work from especially for those times like JOG is saying when you can't get right back to it and enough time has passed that you can't exactly remember where this or that piece is supposed to go.