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Title: Batteryless Wiring... Post by Chopped on 03/23/11 at 12:39:10 Anyone out there have an idea to wire a bike to run without a battery? I want to take mine off my harley and get rid of the starter if I can. I only run Brake/Tail and  a headlight on the bike. I know it can be done... I just want a good startinng point. Keep the rubber side down yall!

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by runwyrlph on 03/23/11 at 12:56:36 you have a kick start?

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/11 at 13:01:12 take what off yer harley? ignition? assuming that can be done, run the engine up to some minimum speed to generate some power to fire it. you'll need a manual decomp and switch out all other electrics. happy pushing.   ;D

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by Chopped on 03/23/11 at 16:55:47 Yes I have a kicker... its a 79 Harley XLCH. No decomp lever and I running stock ignition and points. Having said that... i am already running the minimal wiring possible. Had to redo it because of the idiot I bought it from had it all f#cked up!

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/11 at 21:59:50 A magneto would help.

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 03/24/11 at 07:07:19 Google motorcycle battery eliminator.   Lots of dirt bike use them.     Like the Savage's, it wouldn't work on my XLH1100.  They both need initial voltage to run the electronic ignition.

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by Chopped on 03/24/11 at 09:10:12 I think I will be ok running it. Mine is a kicker and I believe it has a generater mounted on the rear of the case mounted just in front of the starter. Having said that. I should be able to just replace the battery with a battery eliminator and should be good right. It only makes sense. I don't need a magneto if my bike is already runninng with a generator right? Cause if I can get rid of my battery/starter/starter sylonoid, I will drop about 20lbs. The equivilant of my bike taking a good poo!

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by einheit13 on 03/24/11 at 12:38:18 7F48515169484F4D54533D0 wrote: I think I will be ok running it. Mine is a kicker and I believe it has a generater mounted on the rear of the case mounted just in front of the starter. Having said that. I should be able to just replace the battery with a battery eliminator and should be good right. It only makes sense. I don't need a magneto if my bike is already runninng with a generator right? Cause if I can get rid of my battery/starter/starter sylonoid, I will drop about 20lbs. The equivilant of my bike taking a good poo! Get a Mighty Max or a big capacitor.

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by einheit13 on 03/24/11 at 12:44:01 5E27476B69613B0A0 wrote: Google motorcycle battery eliminator.   Lots of dirt bike use them.     Like the Savage's, it wouldn't work on my XLH1100.  They both need initial voltage to run the electronic ignition.   Actually, all you have to do is change your ignition. I had a digital single fire ignition in my 75XLCH. Worked just fine because it was kick start compatible with a small amount of juice that my capacitor held. You can't use it on your XLH 1100 because it is an EVO, and EVOs don't have kick starts. Led Sled Customs has one for it, but its big $$$. And my 75 was a 11-1 stroker with no compression release. Static compression was 210 psi hot, 240 psi cold....enough to cripple your kicking leg if you let it get too far out of tune!

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by Chopped on 03/24/11 at 12:58:02 Its done then... My next project is getting rid of the battery... only after i get the darn thing running again!

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by einheit13 on 03/24/11 at 13:41:09 6A5D44447C5D5A584146280 wrote: Yes I have a kicker... its a 79 Harley XLCH. No decomp lever and I running stock ignition and points. Having said that... i am already running the minimal wiring possible. Had to redo it because of the idiot I bought it from had it all f#cked up! How many wires are you running?? I have a neat set up and very simple.

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by Chopped on 03/25/11 at 07:03:02 I have one hot and one ground. Everything goes through a fuse and power switch, then the lights have thier own fuse ans switch tied off of that. Simple relay with switch to the starter sylonoid. Im not sure I can get much simpler than that, but I am open to suggestions!

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by einheit13 on 03/25/11 at 14:32:08 For electric start http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j45/17932486/wiring06.jpg For kick only, with and with and without battery-just use a capacitor in place of the battery http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j45/17932486/wiring-1.gif

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by verslagen1 on 03/25/11 at 18:08:15 If this is your wiring diagram... http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j45/17932486/wiring06.jpg Then I'd swap the coil lead off of the ign post of the switch for every thing that's on the acc post.  Taking the brake switch off of the coil and put it on the ign post too.  That's if this switch works like a cage ign switch where the acc post can be turned on before the ign post.  That way only the coil will be hot for starting.

Title: Re: Batteryless Wiring... Post by einheit13 on 03/25/11 at 19:49:31 7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote: If this is your wiring diagram... http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j45/17932486/wiring06.jpg Then I'd swap the coil lead off of the ign post of the switch for every thing that's on the acc post.  Taking the brake switch off of the coil and put it on the ign post too.  That's if this switch works like a cage ign switch where the acc post can be turned on before the ign post.  That way only the coil will be hot for starting. Its on the coil lead because this set up gives you 2 'on' settings. One with lights, one without. I rewire all my bikes (battery delete) to run with no lights. Then when I need them, I just flip the switch to the next position while I'm on the road. This way, it gives you nothing but the ignition to power when you're kicking. It works better with points than with electronic ignition.

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