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Message started by dv8savagerider on 03/19/11 at 18:19:17

Title: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/19/11 at 18:19:17

Ok, I just did the plug cap fix, got everything buttoned back up, did all my checks, went to fire the bike up and nothing but click >:( Starter would not turn ( i thought) loosened up side cover (torqued too tight) and starter turns but does not start (motor turns over but sounds like has too much compression and not strong enough starter?) Was able to push start the bike (good thing). question is how hard is this decomp valve/selonoid to adjust? I set it the way advised in the tech section but doesnt seem to be right. Also measured it when actuated by pushing the button and instead of reading 4mm where I set it, it jumped out to 6-7mm. Is this right or do I need to set it by actuating it instead of pushing it out by hand? Please help me solve this mystery :'(

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by verslagen1 on 03/19/11 at 18:25:15

Very common problem, you got the washers in the wrong place.
The washers go on either side of the gear with 2 different sized teeth.
unless it's a pre-90, which has no washers.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/19/11 at 18:27:16

washers where? :-? In the side cover or on the valve? Do explain

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/19/11 at 18:28:09

Btw- its a 2001 forgot to mention that :)

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by verslagen1 on 03/19/11 at 18:34:14

2 washers, 1 on the either side of #3
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Starter%20Clutch%20Upgrade/starter%20clutch%20old.jpg

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/19/11 at 18:39:52

just sent you a Pm

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by verslagen1 on 03/19/11 at 18:42:23

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1299635478

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/19/11 at 18:56:55

Yeah that darn washer fell out when I took the cover off >:( Didnt know where it went. think I put it on wrong gear. Does one go on the other gear- one without 3 sets of teeth? not sure of name of it but goes between starter and that 3 set gear...(idler gear?) I believe I put the washer there. but what I am getting out of this is that the Other (3 set of teeth) gear had a washer on both sides of it- that would cause the problem with starting?

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by verslagen1 on 03/19/11 at 19:01:38

The idle gear doesn't get any washers.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/19/11 at 19:05:42

Thank you V. Its amazing what a washer in the wrong place will do... looks like I gotta pull the darn side cover Again..good thing I ordered another gasket. lol. Still gotta figure out how to tell if I got the decomp adjusted correctly other than trial and error.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by verslagen1 on 03/19/11 at 19:10:51

if you're carefull, you can pop the case and not tear the gasket.
but always good to have a spare.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by Ed L. on 03/20/11 at 13:53:07

If you think that you will be pulling the sidecover again use grease on the engine side of the gasket and silicon sealer on the cover side. The silicon glues the gasket to the cover while the grease keeps the gasket from sticking to the engine. It helps keep the gasket from tearing if you need to go back in there again.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/20/11 at 14:47:32

like a bearing grease? Im assuming just a light coat of both things on their respective sides as well.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by Ed L. on 03/20/11 at 15:43:14

Yup regular old bearing grease or white grease, a thin skin on one side of the gasket with a skin of silicon on the side cover. Torque the bolts up snug till the silicon sets then finish tightening it down. I used to do that on a old hot rod I built that had a solid cam in it, the thing was a real beast. Had to pull the valve covers a lot to set the lash ;). I ended up glueing the gaskets into the valve covers and lightly greasing the mating surface on the heads. It allows you to reuse the gasket a few times before it rips apart. It's worth a try.

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Post by Serowbot on 03/20/11 at 16:53:51

I just tighten the decomp cable to where it has a little wiggle room in the cable when it's down...

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by verslagen1 on 03/20/11 at 17:28:50

5046514C54414C57230 wrote:

I just tighten the decomp cable to where it has a little wiggle room in the cable when it's down...

Good place to start.
If it takes more than a couple turns to start, it's too tight.
If it stalls when starting, then it's too loose.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by colinnoe on 03/23/11 at 10:10:10

Forgive what may be a silly question....
What does the decomp solenoid do? Why is it there?

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/11 at 10:43:10

Until the engine is up to a minimum speed, it doesn't have enough momentum to rotate thru the compression stroke.
So, for the 1st 1/2 second of rotation, the decomp (decompression) solenoid opens the exhaust valve.

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by Serowbot on 03/23/11 at 10:45:06

It electronically holds open your exhaust valve to prevent that big piston from producing too much compression for the starter to overcome...
It gives the starter motor a running start at turning over the engine...
;)...

Versy beat me again...
Funny how differently we explain the same thing...

How 'bout this explanation?...
Ever try to blow your nose when it's completely plugged?... and instead of getting anywhere,... your ears pop...
That's your engine without a decomp...
;D....

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by Chopped on 03/23/11 at 12:20:15

No Decomp for over two years no... absolutely no problem. I have a heftier batter though!

Title: Re: Think I wanna cry - need advice
Post by dv8savagerider on 03/23/11 at 13:57:09

I just want to say thanks to everyone for all the great advice (as always :) ) I pulled the side cover today, put the washer in the right place, adjusted the de comp again and it fired right up!!!! ;D Now just waiting for the weather to warm up again....darn Michigan weather..lol