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Title: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/18/11 at 07:56:37 Hello, all. I'm trying to figure out where the problem lies. Had a new, fully charged agm battery in a 99 savage. We went for a 30 mile, stopped to eat, and when returning to bike, it would not start. Jumped it and headed home; ran fine except it would backfire anytime she used signals to change lanes, etc. About half way home, it backfired a couple times and died. Trailered it home and starting checking it out. Battery is on the charger and tests good with my load charger. I'm thinking regulator or stator but I'm not sure exactly how to test them. What do you think? UPDATE: Problem solved. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by Serowbot on 03/18/11 at 08:09:25 I always check the easiest, cheapest things first... Check that the negative terminal, and the ground strap to the engine are tight. Then check the kickstand cutout connection under the seat, and the clutch lever cutout on the left handlebar. Unplug, clean, re-plug. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/18/11 at 08:29:45 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
I should have stated originally that when the bike died, the battery was completely dead. I removed it at home at placed it on trickle charge. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by Routy on 03/18/11 at 08:53:26 Yep, it sounds like the charging system is the problem. These bikes won't run w/o 12v juice. And backfiring is normal when the ignition is starving for juice. I don't know these bikes well, but normally stators should show continuity thru the coil, and should not show any continuity to ground. If that checks normal, my guess would be a poor connection, or try a new rectifier/regulator. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by verslagen1 on 03/18/11 at 08:56:29 1st make sure the connectors are securely plugged in. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1245984387 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1249849814/3#3 |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by thumperclone on 03/18/11 at 09:49:17 STD charging output: (with fully charged battery) 14>15.5 V DC @ 5000 rpm |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/18/11 at 12:22:32 5C405D45584D5A4B4447464D280 wrote:
Well, FWIW, here's what I've got. Got full charge on battery and reinstalled. The meter shows at rest with the key off: 12.48; with the key on bike not started: 12.04; started at idle: 12.00; here's the strange part, as I throttle up, the voltage drops the more I rev. It's not a consistent drop, it kind of bounces around, but it drops more the more I rev. What says you guys? |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by greenmonster on 03/18/11 at 12:41:45 Check your magnetto (sp?) and your rectifier. The Clymer has a pretty straight forward 'how to' for checking those items. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by verslagen1 on 03/18/11 at 12:49:34 not good. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/18/11 at 12:55:55 3D2E3938272A2C2E257A4B0 wrote:
Not good? lol Not good as in bad R/R? Bad stator? or possibly both? I'll attempt to follow the manual but I only understand electrical crap and my meter enough to be dangerous. I hate troubleshooting this crap. I'm a much better mechanic than electrician. I was lucky to wire driving lights on my zero turn mower without screwing something up, lol. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by thumperclone on 03/18/11 at 13:25:22 6262283A2D3A3C3E5B0 wrote:
Not good? lol Not good as in bad R/R? Bad stator? or possibly both? I'll attempt to follow the manual but I only understand electrical crap and my meter enough to be dangerous. I hate troubleshooting this crap. I'm a much better mechanic than electrician. I was lucky to wire driving lights on my zero turn mower without screwing something up, lol. [/quote] at least you got a manual to guide you.. good luck!! |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by verslagen1 on 03/18/11 at 13:53:21 2C2C667463747270150 wrote:
Not good? lol Not good as in bad R/R? Bad stator? or possibly both? I'll attempt to follow the manual but I only understand electrical crap and my meter enough to be dangerous. I hate troubleshooting this crap. I'm a much better mechanic than electrician. I was lucky to wire driving lights on my zero turn mower without screwing something up, lol. [/quote] Personally, I avoid those dam electrons too. Even to the point of not cursing, would hate to have a lightning strike let all my smoke out. ;D |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/18/11 at 16:09:49 544156565D5E5C5D40475641330 wrote:
I completed the "Charging System No-load Performance Test" from page 210-211 in the Clymer manual and the stator checked ok. Now check this out! I decided to check the mounting bolts on the regulator and found them a little loose. Now keep in mind I have over the fender saddle bags so the leather is between the regulator and fender. After tightening the bolts, I blow a main fuse every time I rev the engine. I loosened them and no problem with the fuse when I rev. I did this test over and over. Does this mean anything in regards to the regulator? |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by verslagen1 on 03/18/11 at 16:20:45 Normally that is bolted up hard on the fender. So if you're isolating it and it doesn't short out, and then you ground it does, kinda indicates this is your problem. that the rectifier is burnt. there is a test for that one, gotta go, so do your own search. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/18/11 at 16:35:55 273423223D3036343F60510 wrote:
Thanks, I think. You didn't have to respond if you didn't want to. I'm aware is is normally bolted to the fender, I already stated that. If I misread your response, I apologize, but it's responses like this that makes folks reluctant to post questions. If you recall, I explained that electrical was not my thing. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by verslagen1 on 03/18/11 at 17:35:55 If the facts are too blunt sorry. Sometimes I have to be extremely blunt at work, it must've carried over. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/18/11 at 18:11:06 170413120D0006040F50610 wrote:
I don't bruise easy, so no need to apologize, but restating what I've already said or simply replying, "Not good", which was abundantly obvious BTW, gives the appearance that you are more concerned about responding instead of assisting. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/27/11 at 09:47:09 Update: Received the new R/R yesterday and installed it. Seems to have corrected the problem. Cool thing is that the it also fixed the horn problem. Prior to the new R/R, the main fuse would blow anytime the horn was blown. I guess a "short" in the R/R was causing the problem. For now, I'll keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for all the input. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by Routy on 03/27/11 at 10:19:38 Seems to have corrected the problem ?? Well did it or didn't it ? Do you have at least 13.8 volts to the battery ? I hope that wasn't too blunt :o |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/27/11 at 11:09:51 78776D766A6C7F7D757B6C1E0 wrote:
I guess there's one, or two, in every crowd. To answer your question, yes it's charging correctly. I used the word "seems" because too many times "fixes" are temporary and the problem reappears indicating another component. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by docwho on 03/27/11 at 13:00:05 Hi just like say good to here you got it fixed.Its good when you can get to the bottem of some thing and sort it out. 8-)Now go get some miles on it. ;) |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by Boofer on 03/27/11 at 16:02:35 Just to clarify, this ain't my fight, so I'll get in the middle and catch it from both sides. First, Verslagen is one of the good guys on here IMO. He has helped many with problems. Second, I am from the South. Californians and Yankees used to get on my nerves, but I learned in college we are all pretty much the same. Yankees sometimes offer help in a tone that is unacceptable in the South. But they don't know it. It's just a cultural thing. Ya'll call a beer "a cold one", but to me it's a Dr Pepper. Now I'll raise my Dr Pepper to you and you raise your beer to me, and let's find something in common...like the LS650 and riding, two up, alone, in groups, rat bike, chopped, stock shiny, or dirty. :) |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by verslagen1 on 03/27/11 at 16:13:56 I'll drink to that [smiley=beer.gif] And you guy's will have to remember I work for a living and don't always have time to spell it out for you. Especially when it already has been. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by 99savage on 03/27/11 at 16:29:54 293A2D2C333E383A316E5F0 wrote:
About the type of response I would have expected, full of arrogance. All this pent-up anxiety must result from the embarrassment of riding a chick's bike. Have a good ride on your mini bikes boys. I'm out. |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by Chopped on 03/27/11 at 17:17:15 http://image3.boncdn.com/userimages/249046/145578640f.jpg I guess this is 8.5'' of chick bike! |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by verslagen1 on 03/27/11 at 18:06:05 Sorry, I meant to say you guys and gals... ::) |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by arteacher on 03/28/11 at 03:34:25 "I don't bruise easily"??? Sounds like your black and blue to me. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Charging System? Post by Routy on 03/28/11 at 07:23:22 252E2E272B24253F3E4A0 wrote:
Sounds like just plain impossible to me ::) |
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