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Message started by mick on 03/15/11 at 21:47:53

Title: kentucky rifle PROGRESS
Post by mick on 03/15/11 at 21:47:53

after two weeks of sanding polishing and some file work,This is where I'm at, should be finished in a couple of days,next picture will be the
completed rifle. Mick

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr311/mickrowe37/002-16.jpg

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr311/mickrowe37/001-15.jpg

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Post by Serowbot on 03/15/11 at 23:20:20

Soooooo.... pretty,.... it's a shame to shoot it...
I think I just want to molest it... :-*...

Did I say that out loud?... :-?...

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Post by verslagen1 on 03/15/11 at 23:55:48

what did you finish it with mick, looks great.

and I think you're supposed to bend the trigger guard to sit flush with the stock.

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Post by drharveys on 03/16/11 at 01:43:27

Lookin' good!

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Post by odmanout on 03/16/11 at 03:55:12

I buy musical instruments just to enjoy the craftsmanship of the woodwork- maybe I'll have to start looking at rifles too. It's beautiful!

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Post by Driller on 03/16/11 at 05:38:31

Nice work, Mick. The figure in the wood shows nicely with that finish.
True oil? Great project!
You will have a lot of enjoyment shooting something you built. I prefer a flintlock and the progression of "snap, foosh, bang" as the hammer goes down, ignites the powder in the pan and the ultimate explosion. However, once you get the smell of black powder in your nose hairs, it doesn't much matter how you burn it! ;) Next thing you know, you will get the itch to build a cannon....don't ask me how I know. ::)
Some folks use Pyrodex with their cap lock rifles and pistols. It does not foul as badly as Black Powder but to me the difference is like that between butter and margarine. BP all the way!
Shooting BP muzzle loaders vs modern firearms can be compared to riding a vintage bike or modern one.
The loading and firing process of the BP weapon is like preparing an old Matchless for starting; a progression of actions. Tickle the carb, get the crank up to the right point, then....a mighty kick and the great explosion. Well, most of the time. ;) Modern cased ammunition is sort of like hopping on the Savage, hitting the button and off you go w/o much more thought.
Have fun!

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Post by photojoe on 03/16/11 at 06:20:02

Oh yes, I like that very much. Very much indeed!

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Post by kimchris1 on 03/16/11 at 07:19:42

Mick, that is a very nice
looking gun your building
there. Thanks for sharing
the pics as well the fun
your having of building it.
I am looking forward to reading
of you shooting it for the first time. Hugs. :) kim

Title: Re: kentucky rifle PROGRESS
Post by mick on 03/16/11 at 11:38:25

53405756494442404B14250 wrote:

what did you finish it with mick, looks great.

and I think you're supposed to bend the trigger guard to sit flush with the stock.

the finish is a product of "Birchwood Casey" called Tru-oil, I was amazed by the result,lots of prep before hand but worth it.
And you are right on the trigger guard, you must have built one yourself. Anyway I am a little worried about bending the brass ,I have not decided to apply heat to it,If you know the trick to it please let me know, thanks Mick
PS the trigger guard is not screwed in yet,it's just sitting there in the picture.

Title: Re: kentucky rifle PROGRESS
Post by verslagen1 on 03/16/11 at 11:56:55

I assisted a fellow who built several for a summer camp.
The camp sold them all dirt cheap, so I picked up one.

The one thing he had trouble with in the final setup was getting them to fire reliably. He said the hole in the nipple was too small. So he annealed them, drilled it out, then hardened them again. Mine usually fires every time. When it doesn't, it was cause it didn't dry out well enough after cleaning. Then you just pull out the cleaning screw and put a match to it.

Title: Re: kentucky rifle PROGRESS
Post by mick on 03/16/11 at 12:03:40

372433322D2026242F70410 wrote:

thanks, can you remember what he did with the trigger guard ?
would you try bending it cold,or heat it up, I have never tried to bend brass,I would hate to break it at this stage.

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Post by verslagen1 on 03/16/11 at 12:44:27

I didn't see, I thought he just bent it.

Could be a question for the mfr though, their material may not be forgiving. But I think if it required something they would have stated so.

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Post by DocNeedles on 03/16/11 at 19:00:28

That is beautifull!! So my next question are you going to make the buckskins outfit, hat and mocassins, that go along with it? Cheers.
DocNeedles

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Post by mick on 03/16/11 at 22:50:27

6D66666F636C6D7776020 wrote:

I buy musical instruments just to enjoy the craftsmanship of the woodwork- maybe I'll have to start looking at rifles too. It's beautiful!

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Post by arteacher on 03/17/11 at 09:46:16

Yes- I like Itzac Pearlman and Nadja Salerno- Sonnenberg- Itzac for the emotion he brings to a piece and Nadja for the sheer power she brings to a piece- she quite often breaks strings during a performance.

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Post by babyhog on 03/17/11 at 10:21:13

That is quite beautiful Mick! Might have to try my hand at putting one of those together. Very nice.

And yea, David Garrett is an awesome musician, and sooooo easy to look at too. ;)

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Post by Ed L. on 03/17/11 at 14:27:32

Click, Bang, Boom!!!! I was hooked the first time I ever fired a muzzle loader. Nice job Mick :)

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Post by John_D FSO on 03/17/11 at 17:43:49

4E4A4048574B464F4A4E465A230 wrote:

[quote author=6D66666F636C6D7776020 link=1300250878/0#4 date=1300272912]I buy musical instruments just to enjoy the craftsmanship of the woodwork- maybe I'll have to start looking at rifles too. It's beautiful!

I once toyed with the idea of making a violin and or a guitar from a kit,
I think the violin kit was about $178 , My left hand is screwed up so I could never play, but I still might build one.
I love to listen to a great player like David Garrett,he is amazing.
Are you a fan ?[/quote]
I actually just picked up one of his CD's a while back, based on your recommendations. Listening to it right now in fact, the "Rock Symphonies" album. Pretty cool, covers of rock songs, from Aerosmith to Metallica to Led Zeppelin. Liking it so far. 8-)

The gun's looking great, I've got a .45 that has almost exactly the same lines. The wood doesn't look as nice though. :-/

Wish I had an answer for ya on bending the trigger guard. :-?
Edit: actually, I do have an answer now, kinda... :-/
Just got off the phone with my brother, who does some gunsmithing, and has built some muzzleloaders, and asked him about this. He said it should be ok to bend cold, unless it's been hardened. If it doesn't bend with reasonable pressure, it'll need to be annealed. He says this uses a process backwards from annealing steel; in other words, you need to heat it and quench it. Heating and air cooling actually hardens it. He couldn't remember how hot you need to get it, but he said not red hot, since he did that with a butt plate on one he built for me, and it made it brittle and it cracked when he tried to straighten it. You can probably find the particulars online somewhere. He also said, it's not a complete loss if it does break. If you're good with a brazing rod, you should be able to patch it back up to where you'd never know the difference. Hope this helps! :-/

Oh, and here's a pic of his handiwork, it's the one on the bottom, .75 cal smoothbore. My .45's on the top, the pistol is a .50:
http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt347/redneck72102/guns/IM000555.jpg

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Post by NoBikeYet on 03/17/11 at 23:05:14

You do nice work, Mick. *Very* nice work- the stocks are beautiful. Thumbs Up!

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Post by mick on 03/18/11 at 11:13:11

Good for you John, now you have to try David Garrett "Live in Berlin"
it's a dvd so you can see him in action,absolutly amazing.
Your guns look great,I love the one at the bottom 75 cal ,wow that could stop a tank, I think in England they call that gun a "Blunderbus"
your friend does great work. Thanks for sharing, Mick

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Post by John_D FSO on 03/19/11 at 07:38:39

767278706F737E7772767E621B0 wrote:

Yep, it's indeed a blunderbuss, the original "sawed off shotgun". It actually shoots pretty consistently with a round ball too, considering there's no front or rear sights. :-? My brother did a pretty good job on it. Just need to keep the metal work lightly oiled, since it raw metal, for authenticity.

And yeah, I'm liking the David Garrett. He has a great version of Beethoven's 5th, and a couple other jazzed up classical tunes on this CD. :D

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Post by tcreeley on 03/21/11 at 17:49:30

Saw Perlman many many years ago at Tanglewood- astounding! ;)

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Post by tcreeley on 03/21/11 at 17:58:27

-when I've worked with brass it didn't show heat color like steel does -- slow and gentle and then suddenly it was soft -- no extra heat - that's when it gets messed up. I use a hammer wrapped with leather or canvas to tap soft stuff cold into the bend I want. I wrap the head to keep the hammer marks off of it. ;)