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Title: kick start Post by thespot413 on 02/06/11 at 13:00:46 Ive been messing around with the idea of turning my bike into a kick start. I had 67 BSA and loved the fact that i had to kick it over every time i got on her. Anyone have any experience/any idea how much it would suck? |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by engineer on 02/06/11 at 13:16:26 I too enjoy the old kickstart motorcycles. I have kick started 750cc twins, no problem but in those old twins each cylinder was much smaller than the one big cylinder on the S40 and only one was in its' compression cycle on each revolution. I am no expert on the S40 but from what I have read it would be a major job to kick start it. With that one big 650cc piston in compression it would be roughly twice as hard as kicking over a sixties vintage 650 cc Triumph Bonneville (well almost, the Bonnie had higher compression). If you make some sort of conversion I would certainly like to read about it. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by sluggo on 02/06/11 at 13:54:48 my old gn400 was a kick start, if you didn't do it properly it would send you over the handlebars or sprain an ankle, kick start, yeah right, lets bring back the crank start auto's. 8-) |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by verslagen1 on 02/06/11 at 14:25:25 393D232B3E2F387E7B794A0 wrote:
Oh yeah, there's a great mod. search back a couple of years and you might find it. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by bill67 on 02/06/11 at 14:30:03 Two strokes were easy to kick over,Almost like there was nothing there.I'm talking about twins and triples. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by odmanout on 02/06/11 at 14:53:40 My first bike, a1937 Enfield 500 single had a compression release that opened the exhaust valves to kick it over. Helped a lot but it could still give you a sore foot. It was a hand lever under the clutch lever. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Ed L. on 02/06/11 at 18:11:09 Just hang the kicker off the left cover over the stator and put the driven gear on the end of the crank on top of the stator nut. You should be able to go in through the inspection port in the middle of the left side cover. Hook up a push button on the handle bar that goes to the decomp relay and you should be ready to break an ankle. It should be a pretty easy job if you can find the right parts but that's what they said about building the Panama Canal. You will still need a battery to fire the ignition during starting. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by james may on 02/06/11 at 18:22:24 08291201634D0 wrote:
Just switch over to a magneto ignition from a large lawnmower and you won't need a battery either!! or instead of a kick start you could make it into a pull start.. that'd be pretty cool. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Ed L. on 02/06/11 at 18:32:58 A pull start Savage ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by verslagen1 on 02/06/11 at 18:59:35 Pull start? I can barely run forwards, you want me to run backwards? |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by thespot413 on 02/07/11 at 09:15:09 That pull start idea is epic. I better start working out though. Maybe once the bikes back together this time around, cant have it in pieces when the warm weather hits. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/07/11 at 09:26:29 Theres no kick start add on this engine. Simply not gonna happen. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by bill67 on 02/07/11 at 09:39:12 If my S40 wouldn't turn over the engine I would kick it for sure. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by einheit13 on 02/07/11 at 14:31:35 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
Actually, it can happen. You start at the starter mount. A few folks have done this with EVO sportsters, they were never made to use a kick start. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by MotoBuddha on 02/07/11 at 14:44:59 How about old school racing bump start? |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 02/08/11 at 12:38:01 This question seems to appear every year about this time. As far as I know many have asked about it but none have actually got up the gumption to actually try it. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by dasch on 02/09/11 at 14:19:45 weren't old harely panheads and such kickstarted? That's like 600cc per cylinder, right? No decomp either. Must be a way... |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/11 at 11:34:09 3A3F2D3D365E0 wrote:
Yea, I think youre right. Seems ta me Ive heard stories of backfires & people being launched & bones broken. The Kawa W650 has a kickstart. Easy as pie once its warmed up. I dont think I's even use one on the 650 Savage, unless the battery was too weak to crank & fire it. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by einheit13 on 02/10/11 at 14:06:37 313426363D550 wrote:
Not so much as with older Sportsters. You have compression releases on the big twins, and you are also kicking the through the trans which increases the effort. My 75 XLCH has 225 psi cold in the cylinders, I weigh 195-200 lbs. I can stand on the extended kicker and it will hold me up. I have to do the hop and drop.....look up 'Sportser Knee' and you'll see. It was very common to hurt on an XL with a magneto that wasn't set right! Not so much throwing you anywhere, just darn near breaking your leg..... |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/11 at 16:17:18 After 5+years of riding the Savage, I have yet to sprain my thumb starting it. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by bill67 on 02/10/11 at 18:57:40 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
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Title: Re: kick start Post by verslagen1 on 02/10/11 at 20:17:47 3A3134346E6F580 wrote:
[/quote] pssst. bill... the other thumb. http://smileyicons.net/s/241.png |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Chopped on 03/18/11 at 11:19:39 So I just added a new thread about this... I should have done the due diligence and researched... I am not finding anyone really having some success at it though. Has anyone figured it out? If not... I know what my project is for the summer while I ride my Ironhead around! |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by grungeant on 08/20/12 at 00:24:46 So has anyone figured out how to do this yet? |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/12 at 01:24:54 I still remember kick starting a Ducati 450 when I was young like you. I giggled with joy when I electric started my Savage for the first time. Pock --- crank,crank, vroooom burble burble burble burble burble ..... Good luck boys, the big single is so big it isn't even very easy to bump start it with two people pushing it in second gear. Kicking it on a cold morning -- no thank you. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by ToesNose on 08/20/12 at 04:35:30 The closest to kick starting my LS650 I would want to get is hitting the button with my foot........ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Charon on 08/20/12 at 07:15:04 We owned a 1981 Honda Twinstar for over twenty years. It had both electric and kick starters. Aside from early on when I tried the kickstarter just to see if it worked, I doubt I kickstarted it more than half a dozen times. And on that bike, the kickstart could be done literally by hand. Why would one want to replace a perfectly good electric starter with a Kick-A-Matic? Just to prove it can be done? "Here - hold my beer and watch this." If you really want a motorcycle with a kick starter, visit your friendly local Royal Enfield dealer. The line of Royal Enfields, all single-cylinder 500s, comes equipped with both electric and kick starters. It's a heck of a lot easier just to buy a bike with a kick starter than to try to jury-rig one onto a bike never engineered to have one. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Routy on 08/20/12 at 07:59:21 Hold on, what am I missing ?? Isn't the object to get the engine started ?? So if I had a bike w/ both ES & KS, wouldn't fear and common sense tell me which to use ?? :-/ |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Cavi Mike on 08/20/12 at 08:55:39 Wouldn't you "fear" being stuck with a dead-battery and having to be forced to bump-start it instead of just popping out a lever and kick-starting it? That's like asking why banks have generators. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Charon on 08/20/12 at 09:31:45 Why would I "fear" being stuck with a motorcycle and a dead battery any more than I'd "fear" being stuck with a car and a dead battery? |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Rhyno on 10/17/12 at 18:58:57 kick start, push start , pull start , lol hell i would just be happy for it TO START. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by javajunkie on 10/18/12 at 00:35:09 19233225244B0 wrote:
+1 ;D |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by J C Stokes on 10/18/12 at 01:17:56 The 1901 Crestmobile single cylinder car used a belt pull start. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Charon on 10/18/12 at 05:02:29 It's been some years, but I watched a couple of "old guys" start a John Deere Model "A" at a farm sale. Each cylinder has a petcock on the bottom, which they opened and which served as decompressors. They set the engine controls for starting. They then turned over the engine by manually turning the external flywheel. The one on the flywheel side closed that petcock and the engine lit off running on one cylinder. The guy on the clutch side then closed the other petcock, and Behold! it ran. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by SALB on 10/18/12 at 20:20:56 002B22312C2D430 wrote:
Hey, my uncle had a Johny Popper like that on his ranch! :) |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by strang on 10/19/12 at 05:36:06 My xs650 was kickstart only for about 6 months during last winter and I had a couple of mornings where I had to kickstart it quite a bit. Let's just put it this way - a year later I can still get pain in my knee on the kickstart leg if I go for a long walk/hike - as a direct result. Would have thought kickstarting a single 600 would really give you knee ligaments some issues sooner or later. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Trippah on 10/19/12 at 06:18:44 The look of an engine with a kick start and push rod towers is sublime. However, kick starting a 650 single needs a decomp for sure. and as mentioned, you'd have to go old school electronically if youre looking to eliminated battery. Keep us posted if you proceed, it's gonna be a long winter if the NHL doesn't bother this year. |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Doug B on 10/19/12 at 11:36:00 I had a 77 Yamaha XT500 modified( overbore hi-compression piston, perf cam, carb, exhaust....etc) back in the day this was a kick start loved it would never strand ya although it had a compression release lever I (intentionally) felt the kickback and it could be brutal I would welcome it again and without accesories, wouldn't our bikes make due just fine with a magneto like a competition enduro I had just to run head/tail lights and turn signals today's vehicles are becoming problematic with these safety features( clutch/kickstand on ours) that cause more problems than I think they're worth I've had problems with my GM passlock feature (2005 Saturn) and my mom just got stranded with a 2011 Kia(brake switch) I don"t want any of these types of circuits on my vehicles |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/19/12 at 21:03:34 Im waiting for the seatbelt/ignition interlock,, |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Digger on 10/19/12 at 21:25:58 Back in the day, I put 25,000 miles on a 1975 Suzuki GT750 (two-stroke triple) and 50,000 miles on a 1977 Yamaha XS750D (four-stroke triple). Both had kick starters and electric starters. I used the kick starters almost exclusively. If it took more than one kick to start, hot or cold, this meant that the bike needed a tune-up. It was pretty easy to kick them through, AFAIR, but, I was quite a bit younger then, too..... |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Serowbot on 10/19/12 at 22:52:33 I dented a buddies tin patio roof,.. kick starting a Cushman scooter once... I tell you what,.. you bounce off a roof a couple of times, and you lose all enthusiasm for kick bikes... :-?... |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/19/12 at 23:02:31 I just gotta know why ya had the scooter on the roof,, |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Serowbot on 10/19/12 at 23:39:06 7E6167607D7A4B7B4B73616D26140 wrote:
Scoot was on the patio... I was 16, and a 110lbs,.. it jacked me into the roof... Wasn't even my bike... 60's model Cushman,.. ...foot clutch, stick shift... I just had to ride it.... Monster kickback on the start... After ricocheting off the ceiling, twice,... I finally did get it started, and did two scary laps around the trailer park... Those old scooters were scary fast for the wheel size, weight, and handling... felt like riding a 40 gallon water heater down a ski slope... ;D... |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/19/12 at 23:41:16 felt like riding a 40 gallon water heater down a ski slope... Sounds like a good way to get into hot water,, but, ya done paid the price to get it goin,, mite as well ride! |
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Title: Re: kick start Post by Charon on 10/21/12 at 08:33:40 Interesting, about the Cushman scooters. I never owned one, but rode several different ones, off and on, and never once had one kick back. I never got the chance to ride the later ones after OMC took over and redesigned the engine. |
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