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Title: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Tiefighterpilot on 01/05/11 at 21:58:15 My bike is up for another oil change... anyone use Lucas Oil? That is the only brand my local parts dealer carries. Wondering if its anygood. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by stinger on 01/06/11 at 03:19:39 oh oh! He said oil! |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/11 at 05:49:59 Im putting a Lucas oil stabilizer ( bout $12.00/qt) in the backhoe.I think Ill put some in the bike, just to avoid Dry Starts. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by IN-S40 on 01/06/11 at 07:48:41 I still have scars from the last oil thread i started... :-X |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by bill67 on 01/06/11 at 08:12:32 5A575A7D786B6B7C77190 wrote:
Put some Klotz oil on them scars and you'll be as good as new :) |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by IN-S40 on 01/06/11 at 09:13:11 LOL!!! 252E2B2B7170470 wrote:
Put some Klotz oil on them scars and you'll be as good as new :)[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by BurnPgh on 01/06/11 at 17:28:37 lucas is good stuff IMO. When it starts getting hot around here I'll add about 300ml to my Rotella T. Seems to make shifts smoother. I know a friend of a friend whos a motorcycle mechanic. I dont like the guy much so I dont really bother with him but I know on the sup up stuff he does anytime moly grease is called for her uses lucas oil additive. I erred on the side of caution when I installed my stage 1 cam and used the included red moly grease and wouldnt you know my clutch slipped like crazy (it continued to slip after changing the oil until i installed a barnett kit, but im sure it was just a matter of 20k mi on plates and spring that weren't meant for the upgrades i was doing) |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by bill67 on 01/06/11 at 18:44:05 If you use Rotella T you need to add something to it its not motorcycle oil. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Tiefighterpilot on 01/06/11 at 19:57:01 thank you for all the input. I will try the LucasOil for 4T (for wet clutch) a try and let you know how it goes. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Buster on 03/23/12 at 15:20:14 So, what did you think about it? I just ask because I'll probably wait until 1k to switch to synthetic and had planned on Amsoil 10w-40 or 20w-50, but I can get the Lucas MC synthetic here at work for about $5 a quart cheaper than the Amsoil. May do a VOA on the Lucas MC 20w-50, but thought I'd ask for opinions first. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by arteacher on 03/23/12 at 17:05:09 INCOMING............BOOOM! must be shooting blanks -- I didn't see any mortar rounds of data or information or nutt'n |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/12 at 17:19:22 fiizzzzzzzzzzzz <thunk> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2441456 Bill -- lookout!! Run !! It's a data-grenade !! And somebody has glued them little facual fishhooks all over it -- thousands of them !!! |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/12 at 17:43:06 Oh my goodness, look at Bill -- he's all over fish hooks. He's got them stuck all over his face, his ears, his fingers ..... ffiizzzzzzzzzzzzzz ..... <thunk> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=619352 Oh Bill, he can't run with all those fish hooks caught all over him. Ugh, this grenade's got stinging scorpions and spiders clustered all over it and it has landed in a fire ant nest by Bills feet. Poor Bill, he done got hooked into recommending a poor product again. And here come them scorpions, spiders and pissed off fire ants. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/12 at 18:22:30 I use the drippin' from my oil change bottles as lubricant when I machine or drill. Used to use RotSyn, but now that I'm using Klotz my drills last 10x longer and they cut thru steel like butter. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Serowbot on 03/23/12 at 18:33:59 4C5F4849565B5D5F540B3A0 wrote:
That's because with Klotz,.. it's physically impossible for them to ever wear out... ... problem is,.. it's also physically impossible for them to cut into the metal that you want to drill... Zero wear... zero... ...that metal is Klotz protected... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/12 at 18:44:27 That's why Lucas oil is better for drilling, it lets that wear edge get right on through as it instantly breaks down to 1/2 weight or less ..... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by ralfyguy on 03/23/12 at 18:47:18 4C5A4D50485D504B3F0 wrote:
That's because with Klotz,.. it's physically impossible for them to ever wear out... ... problem is,.. it's also physically impossible for them to cut into the metal that you want to drill... Zero wear... zero... ...that metal is Klotz protected... :-?...[/quote] Then we actually could make everything on the bike out of aluminum, if it makes zero wear on metal. Would save a bunch of weight. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/12 at 18:49:34 Problem is if you use Klotz, you gotta change your oil first thing every spring and then not ride it any for the rest of the year (ya gotta read the fine print under them "Zero Wear" warranty requirements to get the full story) |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/12 at 19:13:59 3E2D202A352B39354C0 wrote:
That's because with Klotz,.. it's physically impossible for them to ever wear out... ... problem is,.. it's also physically impossible for them to cut into the metal that you want to drill... Zero wear... zero... ...that metal is Klotz protected... :-?...[/quote] Then we actually could make everything on the bike out of aluminum, if it makes zero wear on metal. Would save a bunch of weight.[/quote] So the fact that it makes a better cutting oil don't bother you? |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Serowbot on 03/23/12 at 19:21:50 Yes, it bothers me... it's against the laws of Klotz physics... How can one metal cut another with zero friction?... Impossible!... Versy,.. you're just gonna' have to throw those Klotz contaminated bits away... You'll never get it off... it's molecularly bonded... (the spot on the piece of metal that the bit touched, will never be drillable either)... |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/23/12 at 23:20:51 He could try to counter that contradictory red Klotz pixie magic with a quick dunkin' of Lucas, then the Klotz pixie magic would only be half as powerful as before -- or mebbe he could completely undo it by using Lucas Oil Treatment Concentrate a couple of times in a row all quick like ... I liked the way them Bob's boys went a'digging into the Lucas web page proofs deep enough to find that the Lucas MSDS sheets actually say the base oil in "synthetic" Lucas isn't even a synthetic oil at all -- I liked that, I did. Group II is just a well refined oil, not anything legally synthetic at all. That wuz some prime oil warring, it wuz. To be a full synthetic, it must have a molecule that is chemically created, by catalyticization and/or recombination to make a single uniform oil molecule. Chemically created, not refined from crude like Lucas. No wonder Lucas "sheared in half" weight wise when put to the test in a motorcycle engine. And did you notice that they suggested the guy use Shell Helix oils because he was located in England? Shell Helix Ultra uses the same base synthetic oil as (drum roll please) Rotella T6 the same stuff whut we can all buy at our local Walmarts fer $5 a quart instead of paying $7-8 bux a quart fer faked out (really dino based) sorry type oil like Lucas motorcycle oil. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Buster on 03/24/12 at 02:05:19 Sorry I even asked - I'll share the results of the VOA. Maybe. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by bill67 on 03/24/12 at 05:00:22 If you want to drill with Klotz you will need and additive to roughen it up some,I use RotellaT6 about 1 ounce to quart of Klotz. NOTE: that Bill admits to using Rotella T6 as a booster additive to his Klotz oil, reason he gas given is to toughen or roughen it up some. :D |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by built2last66 on 03/24/12 at 05:47:22 Let a new oil war rage on, like a blazing fire in the night, blood for oil, but which oil is right? [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Retread on 03/24/12 at 06:57:46 KY is the only lube you can be sure of! :-/ |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/24/12 at 09:40:36 0F213839220F22292423284D0 wrote:
Buster, if you spend $30-50 for a Blackstone Labs Virgin Oil Analysis you will be the first one on this list to ever do so. Most of us just type "bobistheoilguy.com: VOA Lucas 20w50" into your Google search bar and get it for free. Search turns up the data and an oil war, but this nugget is what pops up as item #1 from the Google search. Motor Oil Wear Test Results – Caution, VERY long • Speed Talk 3 days ago ... do a voa on lucas oils and see for yourself the lame additive package this oil has! ! go to www.bobistheoilguy.com .... Penn, although its hard to tell because I run 20w50 or straight 50 and you didn't test much of that weight. www.speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30483...15 We got some people saying Lucas synthetic isn't really synthetic at all and all of them say it is a so-so oil packaged with some overblown claims. Now, if this rankles your feathers some, feel free to go find some bad dirt on Klotz or Amisol or Rotella. Or trot out some third party supporting evidence that Lucas is a superior oil. Just remember to always say where you got it from so we can go read it directly. Here is a quick link to the motorcycle oil tests just to get you started good. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=11&page=1 (virgin) http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=49&page=1 (used) |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/24/12 at 10:11:15 Hell, if I'm gonna be helpful, I might as well give you some good shoot'n ammunition. Didn't say which way the bullets would fly, jest that "here's some good bullets fer to be shoot'n". Here is your Lucas "synthetic" VOA compared to a similar weight of Rotella T6 http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2574270#Post2574270 http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2566898#Post2566898 (time to read, digest, search for rebuttal information) ============================= http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2405739#Post2405739 Here is a used oil UOA from a Rotella bike that had some fuel problems that prompted the oil check -- and the 3,500+ mile fuel contaminated Rotella T6 UOA beats yer Lucas brand new in the bottle VOA right handily. Now, oil war churned earth and all aside .... Lucas oil products swing a big profit margin for Lucas and the distributors, so much so they support all sorts of racing this and that off of the excess profits. Walmart sells T6 for $22 a gallon in the big blue jug. That's $5.50 a quart bought right at your local Walmart. Lucas motorcycle sells for what??? $6.71 a quart plus shipping? |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Buster on 03/24/12 at 13:39:31 41626A686B62626B7C0E0 wrote:
Buster, if you spend $30-50 for a Blackstone Labs Virgin Oil Analysis you will be the first one on this list to ever do so. [/quote] I can get VOA/UOA done where I work for about $10 - Only reason I thought about having it done. Thanks for the links and info, BTW. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Buster on 03/27/12 at 17:44:41 Quart Description Zinc PPM Part #'s Motorcycle Oil 10702 Syn SAE 20W-50 1,058 This is the info I got from Lucas - Also stated that the Break-in Lube was rated at 35,000+ PPM Pint Description Zinc PPM Part #'s Engine Break In Oil Additive 10063 TB Zinc Plus 35,000+ Example Mix Ratio Zinc PPM 4.5 qt Oil + 16oz Zinc Plus 5,000+ 4.75 qt Oil + 8oz Zinc Plus 2,500+ 4.9 qt Oil + 4oz Zinc Plus 1,250+ |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/12 at 21:29:43 So, how much are you going to put in with the standard Lucas oil to get exactly what recommended PPM level? I notice they freely admit you have to add ounces of this booster stuff just to get up to the ZDDP level that is native to the Rotella products .... this kinda proves out what the VOAs upthread were saying. ;D ;D ;D So, how much did your whole Lucas oil change cost you for the Lucas oil and the required Lucas booster? |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Buster on 03/28/12 at 03:11:27 0F2C2426252C2C2532400 wrote:
Not sure they really admitted to anything - they sent me a file that listed zinc levels for every product they make...I just didn't want to paste the entire document here. I only posted the 2 products I had mentioned. Quote:
The VOAs posted look a bit more like just regular Lucas automotive oils with their claimed 860 ppm - The "Race Only" oils varied between 2,616 - 6,795ppm. Quote:
Never said I did a Lucas oil change. :-? Planned on waiting till I had 1,000 miles on the engine before I switched to a synthetic oil - right now she reads a total of 2.6 miles. I've got a ways to go. But I should know more about the additive package when I do my own VOA, instead of just what a Lucas rep says. Mailed the sample off yesterday. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 03/28/12 at 10:03:52 Just remember, all "race only" oils lack proper detergent and suspension packages as they are intended to be dumped out after the race -- they certainly don't have any long term "mileage" packages because they don't need them. Notice that all race oils are heavy on ZDDP -- them racers know what they need to keep that engine running the entire race. So, you are going to VOA your Lucas car oil before using it in your bike. If I was gonna boost it with the Lucas ZDDP booster, I would have mixed up the 3 quarts of mix and VOA'd what I actually planned to use in the bike. |
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Title: Re: Please don't use Lucasoil? Post by Buster on 04/16/12 at 14:46:16 Test results look pretty limited (so does the additive package) but the analysis cost was cheap. Oil Analysis Report Test Type: New oil Oil Brand: LUCAS Oil Type: Motorcycle Oil Grade: 20W50 Contaminates (ppm) Silicon (Si) 16 Sodium (Na) 49 Additives (ppm) Magnesium (Mg) 9 Calcium (Ca) 1617 Barium (Ba) <1 Phosphorus (P) 749 Zinc (Zn) 848 Molybdenum (Mo) <1 Boron (B) <5 Physical Tests Viscosity (40C) 133.3 Viscosity (100C) 19.2 Physical / Chemical (mgKOH/g) 6.2 ....Looks like this confirms what I was already told, and shown. :-[ And that I'll use Amsoil, when I decide to start using a synthetic. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by baker87 on 04/16/12 at 16:44:03 So i think the question is do high zinc ratings cause clutch slippage or is it some other mineral (contaminate)??? i used lucas 10w40 and worked great for other bikes but the savage.... just 6000 miles and the rockerarms gave away... so how do we stop this? |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/12 at 20:37:25 63606A64733936010 wrote:
Oh my goodness ...... I see the thin yellow mists of mustard gas rolling over the churned earth and barbed wire of no-man's land again. Somebody get that young "got it backards" man out of the middle of that mine field before he starts something up again. ZDDP does not cause slippage, friction modifiers cause slippage. ZDDP is the good stuff what prevents your top end from turning itself into shrapnel like yours just did. Just leave the durn stupid barb-wire wrapped horse out there, he's dead meat from the mustard gas anyway. Let's try to save the motorcycles !!! :D So, Baker, you ate your upper end all up huh? Using good ol' Lucas 10w40? What pieces will you have to replace and how much is it going to cost just to buy all the parts? How did you measure the wear and damage to your aluminum cam shaft bearings again? Purty please, give us all the juicy details so Buster here can say "Heck fire, they done told me so but I jest didn't want to listen" |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by verslagen1 on 04/16/12 at 20:44:24 Zinc dialkyldithiophosphates (often referred to as ZDDP) are a family of coordination compounds invented by Castrol that feature zinc bound to the anion of dithiophosphoric acid. These uncharged compounds are not salts. They are soluble in nonpolar solvents, and the longer chain derivatives easily dissolve in mineral and synthetic oils used as lubricants. They come under CAS number [68649-42-3]. In aftermarket oil additives, the percentage of ZDDP ranges approximately between 2-15%.[1] The alkyl groups can be branched and linear alkanes between 1-14 carbons length, 2-butyl, pentyl, hexyl, 1,3-dimethylbutyl, heptyl, octyl, isooctyl (2-ethylhexyl), 6-methylheptyl, 1-methylpropyl, dodecylphenyl, and others. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/12 at 21:47:31 What can you do about it? Use Rotella oil products if you don't want to buy $9 a quart specialty motorcycle oil. White jug Rotella triple protection 15w40 from Walmart is the cheapest "good solution" to the problem that we have found. |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/12 at 22:56:08 Im adding Lucas oil stabilizer to the backhoe,, anyone got any cautionary tales I should know about? |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Serowbot on 04/16/12 at 23:07:08 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:
Feet behind the hoe,... at all times... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Anyone use Lucasoil? Post by Buster on 04/17/12 at 03:04:18 7251595B585151584F3D0 wrote:
I came across a funny posting a couple of months ago while I was Google searching the S40 - wanted to know more about the belt drive. After reading about the horse...I started to have "dragon turd" flashbacks. ;D http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1315252488/13#13 In the future I'll try not to doubt your infinite wisdom ever again. |
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