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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Jump Start for a Savage /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1293031727 Message started by Tanker2Biker on 12/22/10 at 07:28:47 |
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Title: Jump Start for a Savage Post by Tanker2Biker on 12/22/10 at 07:28:47 OK, I admit I don't have much mechanical experience with motorcycles, so I'll ask here. Background: I was at work, and through a series of mis-steps, ended up with a flat battery. I called the wife who came and got me and took me home so I could get my truck and take it back and load it up, bring it home, and put Battery Tender on it. Couple hours and it had enough to start, so a positive end. Now the question: Since I have the Battery Tender pigtail attached to the battery, could I have plugged in the adapter that came with it, the one with the plug on one end and the battery clips on the other end, and clamped them to a set of jumper cables and jumped it from a car? |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/10 at 08:02:52 IDK what size wire that is, but Id bet its not fat enough to handle that kinda current, so I doubt using a battery tender pigtail would be a good idea for the end of a jumper cable connection, However, you can hook up & charge the battery, using cables, then once the battery is hot enough to Almost start it, all by itself, Then you should be able to boost it on off with the cables. You can put some heavier leads on & have a place to hook cables. I guess ya Could fire the starter with the jumper cables, straight on the starter & avoid the battery all together, but IDK what kinda damage could be done to the charge system by running a really low battery on it, |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by verslagen1 on 12/22/10 at 08:18:44 5E6B64616F783A3C0A0 wrote:
I have done it that way once, remember that you are hooking the leads up backwards though. red becomes black and so on. I used a car charger on low though. A quick jump should be ok, but prolonged charging or starting may melt them. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by Max_Morley on 12/22/10 at 13:43:47 When I have a low but not dead battery that needs jump on my Savage I use a portable booster pak, one phillips Screwdriver that I have slid a piece of clear tubing over (wrapped with electrical tape or shrink tubing would work also) the shank leaving the bolster under the handle and the tip exposed. I then slid the rubber boot back on the + terminal, and with a helper, ground the - lead and touch the end of the SD firmly on the head of the battery clamp bolt. Works every time except when you forget your new booster has a switch that has to be on to connect the internal battery to the leads -DUH!! Do remember that the built in charging system is a battery maintainer, not really a charger so this way works if you crank to long or leave the key on too long after a ride. I do not recommend you do it on a nearly dead battery. Well maybe to get the bike on a trailer or in the bed of a PU. Max |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by feelinjunky on 12/22/10 at 20:15:39 Actually, wire can easily handle 1000A per mm^2. Use a 10mm wrench. Clamp + to wrench, attached to + terminal. Connect ground pretty much anywhere you see silver color, engine block preferred. To jump start, use anything relatively heavy that can supply 12V (12Vbattery, large transformer etc.) I actually did this this morning because of my POS battery... |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by sluggo on 12/22/10 at 20:56:27 i've jump started thumper many a time, i used a small screwdriver to touch the positive terminal. then i touched the screwdriver with the jumper cable. that hasn't happened since i bought the big crank. i highly recomend one, and it was cheeper than a normal replacement. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/10 at 21:19:36 1000A per mm^2. Maybe Im not trackin,, can you explain that more. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by verslagen1 on 12/22/10 at 21:33:45 1 mm^2 corresponds to 17 gage wire. Next common gage up is 16 gage, rated for 10 amps it might carry 1000 amps but not for long. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/23/10 at 07:38:59 6D7E6968777A7C7E752A1B0 wrote:
Milliseconds dont count much toward useful current carrying capacity. 1,000 amps would make that wire work like a fuse. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by feelinjunky on 12/23/10 at 08:41:36 I've been running my 2000 watt power amp (150A roughly) in my car on 10 gauge wire for the longest time. It's "RATED" for 200 A. When you take about wire ratings, you CAN NOT say all 16 AWG wire is "rated" for x number of amps. You have to take into account the insulation for specific wires. I can think of 16 AWG wire that's rated for 10, 20, 40 and 80 amps. You're referring to ampacity as opposed to amperage. The only problem with large currents is heat. Heat will cause the terminal connectors of the wire to heat up beyond their thermal capacity, melting them and possibly igniting them. Nothing will happen to the wire itself. I've tried it, and as long as the insulation is a monster heat conductor, like my wire for my car amp, you're set. But on all seriousness, wrench + jumper cables. So much safer and easier. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/24/10 at 00:31:47 5D5E5E575255514E5550423B0 wrote:
I wish it was easier to expla9n things like this. Typing just makes it almost inpossible, so slow & tedious. I wish I understood what youre saying. I have an associates degree in electronics, but some things I simply do not get or remember. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by feelinjunky on 12/24/10 at 07:29:43 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
Agreed. You either have to type pages, in which case people won't feel like reading it, or type 2 lines and people will be so confused. I try to go in the middle, but either way, you can't really win. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/24/10 at 10:16:33 Is there something I could go look at that would be a tutorial? |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by Digger on 07/24/11 at 18:55:41 I made my bike (see my signature block) easy to jump. I found a used battery ground cable laying around (from my old '81 GL1100). I attached one end to the positive battery cable and insulated the bejeezus out of it. Here is a pic: http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/JumpStartWireE.jpg The cable I've added dead-ends under the black rubber hose section I've used for a cover over the "hot" end of the cable. There is no connection to the starter motor (even though it looks like it DOES connect to the starter motor somehow in the photo). All I need to do to jump this beauty is to pull the section of rubber hose off the end of my added cable, connect a jumper cable between the donor battery's positive terminal and my added cable, and connect a jumper cable between the donor battery's negative terminal and any handy ground on my bike. I carry a set of motorcycle jumper cables in the bike's trunk. Not pretty, but it works (just like my Savage). |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by Morgii on 07/24/11 at 19:04:57 As long as it's not completely completely flat, why not just run with it, pop the clutch into 2nd (with choke 1/2 open) get 'er running and then drive home (also charging the battery). I've done it a couple times myself, works fine & battery is still working great. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by Boofer on 07/24/11 at 19:20:16 Tanker, Why didn't you run an extension cord and charge it at work? |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by Gyrobob on 07/25/11 at 06:58:30 Some thoughts: 1. If your battery is dead from leaving a load on the battery for too long,.. just take the load off the battery and go away for an hour. Sometimes the battery will recover enough to kick the motor over a few times, which might be enough to get it started assuming your bike is in good enough tune to start like a stock Savage. Mine only needs about 2 revs to get running when cold with the enrichener on. 2. Some of us have power outlets rigged to the battery for various purposes like heated vests, GPS, battery chargers, etc. The power outlet makes it easy to get to the battery, electrically speaking,.. without having to take stuff apart to get to the battery. -- For the future, install something like that and when you get into another dead battery situation, just hook up jumper cables (or other wire) from a car battery (or other big battery) to the power outlet and wait 20 minutes. That’ll recharge your battery enough to make the motor kick over a few times. -- If you can wait for a while, just leave the big battery hooked up for a long time and get reasonable recharge. -- Don’t try to start the thing with the jumper cables hooked up to the power outlet,… you might fry the skinny power outlet wires. -- If a battery charger is available, and you have the time, put it on a low rate charge, and come back in a few hours. Charging at a high rate sulphates the plates. 3. Push start the thing like Morgii suggested. If popping it into 2nd gear makes the rear tire skid, try 3rd. Also, use the starter button when you pop the clutch – maybe your battery has enough juice to operate the decompression solenoid which will make it a LOT easier for the rear tire to spin the engine over. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start for a Savage Post by Digger on 08/17/11 at 18:41:23 437D766B666B66040 wrote:
Good inputs, Gyro. However, as you know, those pigtails to the battery's positive terminal are frequently fused. If your bike's battery is REALLY flat, hooking up to a big battery, like you describe above, could result in enough of a current flow to blow said fuse. Then, you're sort of back where you started! JM2CW! |
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