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Message started by buttgoat1 on 12/07/10 at 14:01:33

Title: Pearl Harbor
Post by buttgoat1 on 12/07/10 at 14:01:33

did it get mentioned anywhere today?
I saw a mention on AOL news, heard a little bit about it on radio this am.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/07/10 at 14:13:58

Should be more mention made of the anniversary of Pearl Hr. IMHO ... Dec. 7th, 1941 is as an important date in American history as Sept. 11th, 2001 ... if not more so ...

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by sluggo on 12/07/10 at 14:52:36

it may not have been mentioned, but it is my thoughts today

tv is making a big deal about the john lennon's murder, granted it is a big deal but not biigger than pearl harbor.

i recomend finding tora tora tora as a movie on the subject

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by mick on 12/07/10 at 15:59:43

A day that will live in Infamy.
I still don't like Japs and Germans, in paticular the Japs because of there cowardly attack.,and for what they did to POWs.
What happened to the days when you beat a country in a war ,it's yours ? I would have hauled out the emporer and hanged his a$$.
Who's idea was it to let him off the hook ?

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by bill67 on 12/07/10 at 16:06:15

The Japs bombed Pearl Harbor because we cut of trade with them,Just like we cut off trade with Iran and N. Korea.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by verslagen1 on 12/07/10 at 17:02:11

20242E2639252821242028344D0 wrote:

Who's idea was it to let him off the hook ?

McArther's, otherwise there would've been no peace. But because the emperor says surrender they did.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by verslagen1 on 12/07/10 at 17:07:58

646F6A6A3031060 wrote:

The Japs bombed Pearl Harbor because we cut of trade with them,Just like we cut off trade with Iran and N. Korea.

And why did we cut trade with them? cause they invaded Manchuria and china. Did you ever hear of the massacre in Shanghai?

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by bill67 on 12/07/10 at 17:25:36

I didn't know China was in the United States.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by Serowbot on 12/07/10 at 17:33:13

595257570D0C3B0 wrote:

I didn't know China was in the United States.

It's not,... the United States is in China... :-?...

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by verslagen1 on 12/07/10 at 17:57:53

2E2520207A7B4C0 wrote:

I didn't know China was in the United States.

So as someone is robbing and killing your neighbors, you'll ask them if they want to buy a beer?

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by kimchris1 on 12/07/10 at 20:23:50

My Mom was 8 years old, she along with her sibblings had to be very quiet as Grandma and Pa listened over the radio for news of what was going on with Pearl Harbor. My Great Aunt, Uncle and cousin were in Hawaii as Uncle was in the Navy. He happened to be on a ship that was out of the harbor or else who knows what may have happened to him. My Aunt witnessed the planes dog fighting and pieces of the plane fell into the front yard.
From that day forward my Aunt was very jumpy and one can understand why.
I thought their would be more mentioning of this being the day Pearl Harbor was attacked, yet seems other news took presidence over this very important date.
It seems so sad that celebrities having affairs or getting married, divorced can take up an entire program and this event hardly even mentioned. kim :(

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by sluggo on 12/07/10 at 20:54:37

MY wifes family were sent to the us concentration camps yes boys and girls we did have them. they were born in the u/s but because they had a flat face and slanted eyes they lost everything, and yet never harbored a arudge. father in law enlisted was given every dirty job there was in eurpoe

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/10 at 23:15:54

534C5547474F200 wrote:

shameful way to treat ones own citizens.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by kimchris1 on 12/08/10 at 07:54:03

+1
Sluggo, your wife's family ability to not hold a grudge is a lesson that needs to be learned by many.
Shows one should not judge others by their cover.. kim

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by drharveys on 12/08/10 at 13:56:39

Kimchris -- do you know which ship your uncle was on? Was his CO named Dreller?

My sister-in-law's grandfather was Richard Dreller. He ended up a Rear Admiral, but at the time of Pearl Harbor, he was out to sea. The story is that he and one of his buddies kept telling the brass that concentrating so many ships in one place was a bad idea, and they got so tired of hearing this that they sent him out to sea to get him out of their hair.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by sluggo on 12/08/10 at 14:43:58

military brass never listens to common sense.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by kimchris1 on 12/08/10 at 20:40:00

Dr.Harvey's my Mom doesn't know the name of the ship. My Uncle was a Chef Petty Officer, last name Stolpe.
Mom also said she remembers how everything was rashioned, food, shoes, etc etc..
Mom also said it was about 4 days before they received word that my Uncle and family were ok.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by buttgoat1 on 12/09/10 at 06:13:07

Sluggo, that was not a shining moment in American history.
It is good that your inlaws remained loyal Americans, that is in sharp contrast to the so called americans we have now who have not suffered at all yet never miss a chance to denigrate this country.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by mick on 12/09/10 at 08:56:04

5A4D5E4B4D4A4D5E412C0 wrote:

You should have tried the Blitz Buttgoat,rationing ,how about one egg a week ,2oz bread, 8oz horse meat for 2 adults and 2 kids if you were lucky,zero sugar.one gallon of gas a week,that's when my dad started to ride a M/C all the time. those days neighbors moved in with you because there house was flattened. We lost ours ,we then moved to Oxford. We were going to move anyway because my Dad local pub got hit.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 12/09/10 at 11:20:30

On the History Channel they aired a documentary called Tora Tora Tora: The real story about Pearl Harbor. They aired it on the 7th and I watched it. So it wasn't completely ignored though I agree it is more significant than what celebrity may have died during this time of year in the past.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by sluggo on 12/09/10 at 13:50:44

3B0D0C170A23060B110B620 wrote:

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by buttgoat1 on 12/09/10 at 14:42:03

I guess they appreciated the fact that internment in America still probably beat the alternatives. Where did they come from originally?

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 12/09/10 at 16:01:41

76697062626A050 wrote:

[quote author=3B0D0C170A23060B110B620 link=1291759293/15#19 date=1291922430]On the History Channel they aired a documentary called Tora Tora Tora: The real story about Pearl Harbor. They aired it on the 7th and I watched it. So it wasn't completely ignored though I agree it is more significant than what celebrity may have died during this time of year in the past.

tora tora tora was a movie not a documentary, yet it still did a good job of showing both sides. pearl harbor the movie was a remake of the above mentioned movie. in place of the japaneese side they inserted a love story. :(

the government settled with the "internees" her parents gave it to charity, never believing that they need compensation. wow i don't know if i could have done the same. [/quote]

I know Tora Tora Tora was a movie, but the History channel did a documentary that they called Tora Tora Tora: The real story of Pearl Harbor that they aired on the 7th.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by sluggo on 12/09/10 at 16:24:09

24332035333433203F520 wrote:

I guess they appreciated the fact that internment in America still probably beat the alternatives. Where did they come from originally?

they were from idaho, thats where they were born. they were born united states citizens they didnt come here from anywhere. thats the crime.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by sluggo on 12/09/10 at 16:26:41

4C7A7B607D54717C667C150 wrote:

[quote author=76697062626A050 link=1291759293/15#20 date=1291931444][quote author=3B0D0C170A23060B110B620 link=1291759293/15#19 date=1291922430]On the History Channel they aired a documentary called Tora Tora Tora: The real story about Pearl Harbor. They aired it on the 7th and I watched it. So it wasn't completely ignored though I agree it is more significant than what celebrity may have died during this time of year in the past.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by mick on 12/09/10 at 22:34:32

I'm told the movie "Tora Tora Tora" was the attack of Pearl Harbor as seen from both sides. After the attack was it Admiral Yamamoto that said "We have awakend a sleeping giant" He was very familiar with America ,even went to school here.
Another totally amazing story is how the US traced his wherabouts and shot him down in the plane he was in, the timing was perfect, two US planes took off at exactly the right time ,they met Yamamoto,and that was the end of him.And this was way before GPS ,even ships radar was in it's infantsy.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by buttgoat1 on 12/10/10 at 10:06:55

Sluggo,
I asked the wrong question, what I was trying to find out was when did their family emigrate and from where.

My thought was that they were first or second generation born in America and while it was bad here, the parents or grandparents knew how much worse things would have been back in the old country.

I know it was a slap in their face to be treated like that. But there was thousands of confrontations against all kinds. I was watching a documentary about railroad builders in Appalachia, they brought in workers from New York, Philly, etc. They were ostracized by the locals, and 1 workers camp had a cholera outbreak and almost all died. Turns out many of the remains in the mass graves had bullet holes in em.

Not trying to belittle your inlaws experience, just pointing out how common bias was to all during that time frame. no offense intended.

Title: Re: Pearl Harbor
Post by drharveys on 12/13/10 at 21:36:47

Yeah, the period from the end of Reconstruction till the Civil Rights era could be called "The Golden Age of American Racism".

Even Asian-Americans got to take part, and not just on the receiving end. I had a college buddy of Korean extraction whose mom was quite enthusiastic about letting the authorities know which of her neighbors were Japanese...

Oh, and I'd like to correct a previous post -- it's Admiral Louis Dreller, not Richard. http://www.fau.edu/library/gen-adm51.htm

The daughter mentioned in the article is the "sainted" mother of my sister-in-law. She's not dead, just modeled for an artist doing a series of drawings of all the saints after whom streets in Los Angeles are named... ;)