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Message started by Trippah on 10/31/10 at 17:27:36

Title: Castenets
Post by Trippah on 10/31/10 at 17:27:36

Using a jump start from my car, I get a dimming headlight and the beautiful sound of castenets from somewhere under the rear seat.
I suppose this means I'll have to buy a battery to really try to finish the revival of poor old Suzi. Dang, I was hoping the quick kiss would at least let me know how the reconstruction went. WInter approaches and I was hoping to hear the engine turn over before making the battery purchase (in case a lot more work/corrections need to take place.). >:(

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Max_Morley on 10/31/10 at 19:31:06

If your jumper connections were good, I be looking at other things. Did you try and turn the engine over either with the bolt head on the rotor (under the slotted cover on the LH side) or by putting it in gear and rolling it back and forth after it was all back together in the bike? A voice of experience says, if the starter gears get put in wrong it will seize the engine, which would make the solenoid chatter (castanets *). * my spell checker liked that spelling better, but I'm not sure it is the same word. Max

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Boofer on 10/31/10 at 19:31:55

Trippah, Tap on the solenoid, or as it is called here in Mississippi, Sedeloid. Use a screwdriver handle. Also try a light tap or two on the starter as you try to crank it. Worth a try. Good luck.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Phelonius on 10/31/10 at 21:09:06

The casting of nets sound is defiantly the silly noid. It can do that either becuz of low voltage or a Rooned silly noid.

Phelonius ;)

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Arnold on 11/01/10 at 11:19:34

He should hear the decomp solenoid under the seat as well, 2 clicks there.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by drums1 on 11/01/10 at 11:24:50

When I revived my '87, after 5 years in a garage, it came down to a new battery. I had the same problem--jump from car would not work, made funny noises, etc.. The battery did the trick.

P.S. I did end up needing a new starter too, but not until several weeks later.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Arnold on 11/01/10 at 11:43:17

Starters are darn expensive.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Phelonius on 11/01/10 at 18:30:49

But if it cures castlenuts, get one.

Phelonius

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by drums1 on 11/01/10 at 18:36:00

I found one real cheap in the tech section. Someone on here had an extra one--cost me $20. Not a biggy.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Arnold on 11/01/10 at 18:44:14

Nice, a new one from stealership is over $300...

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Trippah on 11/02/10 at 07:06:20

Thanks for the replies..yeah my guess at spelling went wrong as usual. My darling wife suggests, quite reasonably, that I should wait till the new Year to buy a battery, as I've not registered or insured the bike for 2010. Here in the Commonwealth, that can run $200-300. Plus the $90. for the battery. Hmmmm. Well, lets see how much Santa Claus requires this year. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Arnold on 11/02/10 at 07:22:07

Or, or... you could get a new battery on eBay for $25 and make sure the bike runs before you do paperwork?

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by dasch on 11/04/10 at 06:34:57

But why wouldn't it turn over jumped?? If cables are connected well - it must. Should be cranking like crazy powered by car battery.
I would (and few others) check that first before you buy (and fry) anohter battery.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Arnold on 11/04/10 at 06:40:51

Yea, plug a battery straight to the starter and make sure that runs.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Trippah on 11/04/10 at 16:22:38

Dasch & Arnold - that is sorta why i posted this..I wondered why the car battery wouldn't do the job. Jump car battery straight to the starter? Guess i could try that when it ever stops raining. The Northeast is beginning to resemble the Northwest. Thanks for the thought. :)

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by bill67 on 11/04/10 at 16:53:59

When you jump from car to car you have to let it run a couple minutes, usually before you try to start the one that want start

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by dasch on 11/06/10 at 10:42:46

Yup. Or just let the car idle. 14V is 14V.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Digger on 11/14/10 at 21:25:52

393C2E3E355D0 wrote:

Yup. Or just let the car idle. 14V is 14V.

FWIW....

I don't think that is good practice. Too much could go wrong, potentially frying your bike's electrical system.

I'm just sayin'.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by verslagen1 on 11/14/10 at 21:57:23

In general, not a good practice, even car to car. I've seen it happen several times where weeks later the donor needed a new battery too.

But, we all need a jump from time to time. leave your key off so most of your electrics are isolated. Don't fiddle with the cables, sparking bad mmmk. Don't leave it connected more than 5 minutes to prevent overheating the battery.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by dasch on 11/15/10 at 05:16:14

?? If there was anything to fry in the receiving vehicle's system - you would've fried it with the original battery. Or you will fry it with donor shut off. Makes no difference to the receiver whether donor is idling or not. If anybody can scientifically prove me wrong...

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Digger on 11/17/10 at 20:27:30

303527373C540 wrote:

No science, but it seems obvious that, by having the cage idling during a jump, you are exposing your bike's vulnerable electrics to the whims of the cage's voltage regulator (possible voltage spikes and such). How lucky do you feel?

This is not a problem, however, if the cage is not running. Ain't no way a quiescent 12 volt battery is going to harm your bike during a jump, even if that battery is as big as a house.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by dasch on 11/18/10 at 05:23:19

Vulnerable? :o

Cars have even more computers and controllers than our LS. Much more. The question is - what kind of selective spikes and surges would hurt my bike's CDI and leave entire car's electronics intact??

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Trippah on 11/19/10 at 19:07:51

After a week, got back to Suzi only to note I never had reconnected the fuel lines...perhaps I should try again with them doing thier thing. :-[ :-[ Put the jumpers on, with the car running i hit the starter and after cranking a bit with the pc on Prime, the bike started. Yeah, let it idle a bit, then pushed in the choke (enrichener). Well, got a fair amount of smoke from around the header and then a drop of fresh oil fell on the left hand engine case. Hmmm, turned off the car, disconnected the jumpers. Next warmish day I'll try again and see if more oil is forthcomming. Bikes' electroncis don't seem any worse the weare for the several jumpings.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by dasch on 11/20/10 at 09:06:43

We happy if you happy. ;) So you simply forgot to hook up the fuel, huh?

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Trippah on 11/21/10 at 16:44:17

Thank heavens there was no one to see my face. we don't have any stop lights in town and it might have confused a passing driver. :D :D :D

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by Digger on 12/06/10 at 21:29:00

5C717F7F7D6A180 wrote:

[quote author=303527373C540 link=1288571256/15#19 date=1289826974]?? If there was anything to fry in the receiving vehicle's system - you would've fried it with the original battery. Or you will fry it with donor shut off. Makes no difference to the receiver whether donor is idling or not. If anybody can scientifically prove me wrong...

Well.....case in point:

A few years ago, I was rat-racing through the Gulf area on my ST1100. The battery was old, so I was not surprised that the bike would not start one hot day after a fill-up.

The only cage at the station was an old, beat up Ford pickup.....70's vintage. I asked the old gentleman in the cab if he could give me a jump (I always carry a small set of jumper cables when I'm traveling on one of my bikes).

When he popped the hood, it was not a pretty sight. I kindly asked the owner if he'd mind shutting off the engine while I jumped my bike. The ST started right up, and I was not worried about the possibility of the Ford's voltage regulator being dodgy.

So, I see it this way: If I take a jump from a running cage, there is perhaps a 1 in 10,000 possibility I'll have a problem. If I take a jump from a non-running cage, there is a lesser chance that I'll have a problem. The hassle factor of jumping from a non-running cage? Zero.

Therefore, prudent risk analysis dictates that I jump my bikes from non-running cages. There's just no reason NOT to, and there IS a reason (however small) to do it this way.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by dasch on 12/07/10 at 06:02:42

I see your point... that old, old car was your only option. However, running car provides slightly more juice (amps). That's my only argument. And the way cars are built now, with computers and all - if there was ANY spikes - it wouldn't be running anyways 8-)

Anyhow, it worked.

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/10 at 21:18:04

Therefore, prudent risk analysis dictates that I jump my bikes from non-running cages. There's just no reason NOT to, and there IS a reason (however small) to do it this way.

I'd Love to see someone argue with that..

Anyone?

Title: Re: Castenets
Post by dasch on 12/07/10 at 23:56:11

:) You rascal...