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Message started by babyhog on 10/01/10 at 09:11:03

Title: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/01/10 at 09:11:03

Ok, I'm taking the easy way and asking.... I did a search, found lots of stuff to weed through, but I'm lazy on Friday, and this place has been pretty dead anyway.

My '87 needs rear brakes...

THESE:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270444607243

OR THESE: (I know someone here used these)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330419956552

OR other suggestions are welcome!

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by verslagen1 on 10/01/10 at 09:42:14

Everyone knows the stock shoes are touchy and tend to lock up easy.
From my experience the organic (kevlar in particular) front pads are the best. I would tend to do the same for the rears.

I'd querry both and see what compound they were and short of that, the second option says organic so I'd go with that.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/01/10 at 10:45:41

73607776696462606B34050 wrote:

Everyone knows the stock shoes are touchy and tend to lock up easy.

Oops, I guess I've missed that. Thanks for your input.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by prechermike on 10/01/10 at 10:49:53

Babyhog,

This is not really apples to oranges, more like oranges to tangerines I guess. I bought front brakes from the folks in the second link, got quick shipping and they seem to be good. The do not squeal at all, something the others did like a banshee.

Someone ordered a complete set, front and rear right before I did, but I cannot remember who, maybe they will chime in. Ok, I found it Bubba was the one that ordered front and rear. I searched, must not be as lazy as you babyhog! ;) Just kidding!

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1277840951/0

You could ask him.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Serowbot on 10/01/10 at 10:52:13

I don't think my rear brakes will ever wear out... They're mostly just roll stoppers at traffic lights....

... and the occasional Squid skid, in balls out panic stops... :-?...

25k and still meaty...

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/01/10 at 11:18:57

6670677A62777A61150 wrote:

These aren't worn out, they are non-existent! So I gotta put something on it.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/01/10 at 11:21:33

101205030805120D090B05600 wrote:

Thanks Mike. I will re-read that thread. I think those are the ones I'm gonna try.

And Congratulations on not being as lazy as me! (you realize that isn't saying much, right?) LOL ;D ;D

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Boofer on 10/01/10 at 11:30:53

For rear brakes I just told the guy to get me a set of EMGO, I think. Like some others I usually use fronts with a touch of rear. You will come across sintered and non sintered. Without getting all crazy about it, the sintered are supposed to grab more quickly, while the organics have a slower, subtle feel that Verslagen touched on. BTW my rear brakes squall like an 18-wheeler. I always get on them pretty hard at my first stop and let them get it out of their system. After that, it's all good.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/06/10 at 09:51:31

Ok, I've been reading about rear brakes. Someone mentioned tightening a nut to adjust the rears. Can someone point me to what nut??

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Oldfeller on 10/06/10 at 10:21:19

Look at the end of your brake actuation rod, the long one that runs up to the brake petal -- yup, that's yer nut at the end of the rod next to the lever arm.

Getting advanced here now --- when you think your brakes are "worn out" by the indicator they still have an extra 1/3 of their life left. Simply rotate the lever arm on the spline to put things back to the start point again and order yourself a new set of brake shoes through the mail and have them on hand for the next time you have occasion to have the rear wheel off.

No need to do several tear downs, just wait and do one tear down.

Your rear brakes are very long lasting and this move-the-lever-on-the-spline rotation trick can buy you well over a year of extra brakes to tide you over to the next rear tire change.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by drums1 on 10/06/10 at 10:28:16

Unless you're like me. I wore out the fronts early this summer--never got around to replacing them, being unemployed and all....so I was using just the rears all summer. 18,000 on the bike and I need front pads and rear shoes. And my nut is adjusted all the way in. I barely have rears left now. (Riding at all is a slow cautious go)

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Oldfeller on 10/06/10 at 10:32:48

Move the lever on its spline to put it back in the "good zone" and see about finding $25 to order a set from here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330419956552

You will have about a year to get her done and in that long you can find the money somehow even if it is by saving pocket change in a jar.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/06/10 at 10:36:50

04272F2D2E27272E394B0 wrote:

Well, duh. I guess you are surprised that I can even ride, huh? ;D Thanks Oldfeller, my friend.

This is not for my bike, its for my son's. Haven't had any rear brakes, but never adjusted the nut, we thought it needed new shoes. (He!!, I'm not even sure we checked the fluid) But when I took apart the extra parts bike, I saw how pretty the shoes were, and was just gonna swap them out. So I did some reading on changing them, and ran across that comment about the nut, and thought "huh, maybe that's all that needs done!" Will look this evening when I get home.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by runwyrlph on 10/06/10 at 15:08:28

2335322A3476470 wrote:

if the rears wear out you could just drag your feet!

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/10 at 19:08:02

Ever notice no one has started selling brake pads with a pic of
Fred Flintstone throwing dirt up with his feet on the front of the package?

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/06/10 at 19:41:28

Ok, so I was looking at the adjustment nut, and now I'm more perplexed. Before I go pulling the rear tire, does anybody have any guesses as to what I'll find?? And I can see the brake-wear gage, but what part of the arm is supposed to be between the end marks?

The '87 model:
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx211/babyhog/S40/PIC-1339.jpg

My '06 model:
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx211/babyhog/S40/PIC-1341.jpg

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/10 at 19:50:57

Well, one thing is clear. The nut is at the END of the adjustment on the 87. Its time to go in there & have a look. Since the shoes only spread from one end, right? Weell, IF they only spread at 1 end, then is it possible to rotate the shoes & go some more? Ive forgotten how it works in there.

Anyway, its time to do something.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Boofer on 10/06/10 at 19:52:53

524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:

Ever notice no one has started selling brake pads with a pic of
Fred Flintstone throwing dirt up with his feet on the front of the package?

JOG, The Flintstones turned 50 last week. A lot of the people on here may not have ever seen them. Yabba Dabba Dooooo

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/06/10 at 20:03:22

Well, duh. I know its time to do "something" since we have no stoppage when the rear brake pedal is applied. But I do appreciate the help... really.

When we took the hub off the '86 parts bike, the shoes are obviously good, I'm just hating the thought of taking that rear wheel off. Was hoping for an adjustment when I learned that rear brakes last so long. Oh well, guess I gotta do what I gotta do...

Ha! The Flinstones are older than me!!! But I love Barney. ;)

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by youzguyz on 10/07/10 at 03:35:31

5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:

Ever notice no one has started selling brake pads with a pic of
Fred Flintstone throwing dirt up with his feet on the front of the package?

I'm on my 3rd set of motorcycle boot soles, and on still my 1st set of rear brake shoes. I'm just saying..
(But I have gone through a LOT of front brake pads!)

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Bubba on 10/08/10 at 07:24:00

Yep I bought mine from ATV Brakes n' More... here's the link...
http://atvbrakesnmore.ecrater.com/p/4087060/suzuki-brakes-86-88-95-04-ls-650-savage-front
I've been very happy with them. The rear was super noisy when I bought the bike so I figured I'd swap them out since I was doing the front pads anyway. They don't make any noise at all now.
There was a TON of old brake dust in the drum so I blew that out and I think the old rear pads were just plain hardened (they were glazed).

I set the adjustment arm to the line up with the first scribe mark but it was forward of that when I took it off. Right now my brakes will lock up if I stomp it but I think I'm going to adjust the arm forward some to make them a little more sensitive. The adjustment nut is just about maxed forward as it is now...
Hope that helps,

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/08/10 at 07:31:07

Thanks Bubba.

I still don't know what is supposed to line up between the marks on the hub?? The "space" on the arm (the joint that the screw on the end closes up), or one of the corners of the arm???? Because that space is way forward on the marks on mine (the '06), but my brakes work perfectly! I would not want to change anything.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Bubba on 10/08/10 at 07:44:32

Beats me...on my '06 the "space" was set up forward of the scribe marks. I set the "space" to line up with the forward scribe when I did my brakes but I've looked at a couple of savages since then and they appear to be lined up forward of that, I'll probably go back to forward again just so I have some adjustment to work with on the cable nut.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by DrunkenDwarf on 10/08/10 at 16:18:02

On my '07 there is a line on the hub that the arm clamps on. I believe that it's this line that's intended to be between the marks on the hub.

Moving the arm a few splines just changes your leverage.

-D. Dwarf

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Boofer on 10/08/10 at 16:47:24

6063626F6D770E0 wrote:

babyhog, You are right on what lines up between the marks. It is the space the bolt closes up. Imagine a line at 90 degrees to the bolt that holds the lever in place on the hub. This line will also extend, in your mind, down the brake lever itself. When you put the new brakes on, just line up the imaginary line down the center of the brake arm with the mark toward the front of the bike. Of course you will allow for a little freeplay. As the linings wear down, the imaginary line will move rearward through the space between the marks. You can adjust the nut on the brake linkage to whatever firmness you need, but it does not change the wear marks or how much lining you have. I have a headache. I need to take some Tylenol and lie down, now. Boofer

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/08/10 at 18:46:52

012C2C252631430 wrote:

[quote author=6063626F6D770E0 link=1285949464/15#21 date=1286548267]Thanks Bubba.

I still don't know what is supposed to line up between the marks on the hub?? The "space" on the arm (the joint that the screw on the end closes up), or one of the corners of the arm???? Because that space is way forward on the marks on mine (the '06), but my brakes work perfectly! I would not want to change anything.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Oldfeller on 10/08/10 at 19:06:41

;D ;D ;D ;D

Go relax, take in a little oil war ....

de-stress yourself !!

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by Boofer on 10/09/10 at 16:53:25

I'm all better now. I just realized that thinking is not for the inexperienced.

Title: Re: Rear Brakes
Post by babyhog on 10/10/10 at 16:02:15

Changed the rear brakes today. Quick and easy... well, we used the entire hub that the brakes are clipped to from our parts bike, so it was even easier! But they work like a charm! Getting the wheel back into alignment was a little tricky, maybe just because it was our first time, but we got it! Thanks for all the help!