|
SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Intro and oil filter question /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1285728746 Message started by IN-S40 on 09/28/10 at 19:52:26 |
|
Title: Intro and oil filter question Post by IN-S40 on 09/28/10 at 19:52:26 Hi everyone, My girlfriend and I are the proud new owners of a 2005 S40(mine) and a 2003 LS650(hers). Theses are our first bikes and so far we have been having a blast learning and will soon be taking a saftey course. Since I have no idea when the oil was last changed on the bikes I figure that will be a good start to doing maintenance on them. From what I can find online the filters are the same for both bikes ? Looking for a good online source for the filters since we dont have any local Suzuki dealers. Also what is the recomended oil? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Boofer on 09/28/10 at 20:46:14 Let me get this, guys. NEVER ask about oil on this forum. There will be blood. It will go on for days. Oh, the humanity! I will say use 10w40, but oil with friction additives can cause the clutch to slip. I personally used Castrol Acteveo for about a year. It was $6 a quart. I now use a cheaper oil that I am completely happy with. It was recommended by my friends who have scads of trophies from racing 650 Kawasaki dirt bikes and KTMs. It costs $12/gal. Oh, man I've said too much. They'll be coming for me soon . I got to go. And welcome to the site. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Lupo on 09/28/10 at 20:51:06 Welcome brother. Forty years from now tell someone new the same thing and remember this ;) Oil questions are the proverbial can of worms but, I like Rotella T 15w-40 and the standard filter. Filter on line and oil at Walmart. Enjoy and be safe. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by verslagen1 on 09/28/10 at 20:56:31 Worms? I like night crawlers. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by spacepirates on 09/28/10 at 21:02:17 5B565B7C796A6A7D76180 wrote:
Oil filters should be the same for both bikes. If you like the idea of doing your own work on the bikes, get to know the Tech section of this forum. One of the first threads there is a table of contents for the tech section and will include all your maintenance (and mods and fixes) for the bike, including oil changes. People around here are very touchy about what oils to use, but in the end it is up to you, so use what works. if you are planning on riding in colder environments, a lighter weight oil might help you out (as well as an iridium spark plug), otherwise i'm fairly confident that most oils will work just fine. Hope you and your lady have a blast riding, these are great bikes with a lot more to them than they look. Now that you're part of the club, don't be shy 'round the forum! |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 09/28/10 at 22:29:06 erl? 'zat you buddy? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Lupo on 09/28/10 at 22:36:31 514255544B4640424916270 wrote:
I've always found waterdogs interesting. Really weird, but interesting :-? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Serowbot on 09/28/10 at 22:52:55 Make very sure you put the filter in the right way 'round... (it can blow the cover...) ... and don't loose the o-ring underneath... oh,.. and welcome... ;)... |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Lupo on 09/28/10 at 23:03:17 ..you just scared the hell out of someone. :D |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 09/29/10 at 00:35:16 Hey, he asked a question (asking questions is good) He got a "fair warning" about putting the oil filter on backwards (because you can do that accidentally without trying very hard when you are a newbie) That's all appropriate information. So far nobody's told him in any great amount of detail as to WHY you don't ever use energy star marked oils in a motorcycle ..... Or why you need ZDDP in the oil for a Savage engine .... Folks have been helpful, but not overly pushy about it and that's a good way to treat a brand new newperson If he has more questions, he'll ask them. ;D ;D ;D |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by babyhog on 09/29/10 at 05:33:50 Welcome! We like pics around here, so feel free to post some if you get a chance. And as far as filters being the same for the '03 and '05, you will find that darn near everything will be the same for both bikes. 95-05 not many changes were made. A few cosmetic changes made after '05, including name "Savage" to "S40", but these bikes have changed so little since the first few years, its amazing. Oh, modifications are abundant and many are easy, so of course it would depend on what the prior owners have done. Oh, and tell your woman to sign up here too. I need all the help I can get keeping these guys in line! ;) |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/29/10 at 06:23:35 So many little things you can do. Old Feller has some special magnets he uses to pull stuff outta the oil as he rides. I just went with a magnetic oil plug. The bikes need some lookin after to keep them healthy. Payin the mechanic to look after them for you will get expensive. since you have 2 of them, itll sure pay you double to learn how to do what needs done. Itll be great fun for the 2 of ya. These bikes are simp[le, crude but effective, charming machines,. Got a place for tools & workin on a bike? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by IN-S40 on 10/01/10 at 20:34:05 Ive been meaning to get a pic up, here ya go. Also I have 2 filters ready to go and some Rotella 15w-40, doing the oil in them tomorrow. Went for my first real ride today to work and back, not far maybe a 10 mile round trip but I can see this being an addicting thing! http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/cncdarren/photo1.jpg Darren NW Indiana |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 01:30:54 Purty bikes !! |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Routy on 10/02/10 at 06:47:53 Pretty Bikes,....... Perdy is for "perdy good"........or bad ;) |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by gobnaitt on 10/02/10 at 07:26:15 Pretty nice bikes. Esp the green one which is the same as mine. 8-) I've always used 10W40 (as written on the fill cap). I've only used Castrol motorcycle oil from Walmart. It's always worked for me. Congrats on the bikes. You'll have a great time and it's not too overwhelming a bike to learn on. Have fun and ride safe. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 08:13:37 Gobnaitt, Really, just about anything that is motorcycle rated will actually "work" OK in a Savage engine, but .... .... but you mentioned you liked Castrol motorcycle 10w40 oil from Wal Mart. No doubt you have some good reasons to do so, so illuminate our darkness a bit on the subject, jest fer the chuckles of it? http://contentinfo.autozone.com/znetcs/product-info/en/US/cas/12146/image/4/ $3.99 per quart Let's use that other Wal Mart oil that was mentioned earlier and get you to compare and contrast your preferred Castrol MC oil against it, jest for a little something to do on a slow Saturday afternoon. What was that other oil? Came in what, big white gallon jugs didn't it? http://media.ruralking.com/image.php?sku=080240026&nsize=300 $11.00 a gallon :) .... and before you let ol' Bullshooter Bill confuse you too terribly much with his nonsense, both oils mentioned above are both of them JASO MA rated as suitable motorcycle oils |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 08:45:28 Castrol motorcycle oil is a good motorcycle oil and has been for a long time,Keep with the long time proven motorcycle oils. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by gobnaitt on 10/02/10 at 09:05:52 Hi Oldfeller, I've only used the Castrol since it was the only MC oil that my Walmart has. It's cheaper than the other kinds at Canadian Tire and it works fine for me so why switch. I was just saying what I use so it's not all that entertaining. I know all about the illuminating best oil "discussions" ;) I have no reason apart from it works and is handy to pick up. Nothing technical about it. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 09:30:19 That's Ok, glad to be able to help. Canadian Tire sells both oils, but you get an especially good deal there on the Rotella T 15W40 as you can buy it in 3 gallon bulk jugs at only $19.99 for 3 gallons (translates to only $1.65 a quart). And yes Bill, it is the same JASO MA rated oil that is sold in the JASO marked gallon sized jugs here in the USA So, $3.99 a quart for Castrol 10W40, or $1.65 a quart for Rotella T 15w40 .... if it was cost we can see where the advantage leans towards. And if it isn't cost, then somebody needs to lay out the feature or characteristic that makes you want to pay 2.4 times more for one dino oil than the other. http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/EngineOil/DieselOil/PRD~0287930P/Rotella%252BT%252BDiesel%252BMotor%252BOil.jsp?locale=en |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by kimchris1 on 10/02/10 at 09:35:42 Welcome and great looking bikes. Hi to your lady and always nice to have another gal on a bike of her own.. :) kim |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 09:39:37 06252D2F2C25252C3B490 wrote:
Oil isn't the place to save money,Use the highest price motorcycle oil you can afford,It will save you lots of money in the long run. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 09:54:36 Bill, are you talking about the "magic red potion" thing again? That if it costs a whole lot more it HAS to be better? That the magic will ooze out all over the bike and fix cables and such no matter what happens? It doesn't work that way, no matter how much you need to believe it does because you refuse to do maintenance on your bike. We just went down that road with you over your $13.00 a quart Klotz oil and lo and behold, it didn't hold any advantage under tests that anyone (including you) could ever identify by any form of testing that anyone could dream up, including you. The high cost must be magic stuff just doesn't pan out when reality hits it up square and cold .... You still have to do routine maintenance on your bike and you gotta periodically adjust your silly valves for best performance and gas mileage, etc. Now, synthetic vs dino does pan out with some evidence behind it, but we are talking about two dino type oils right now. IF we were talking about synthetic oils, we would be talking about blue jug rotella T-6 which test out to be competitive to better on features and to be a much less expensive synthetic oil than most. But that is a different sort of oil war .... This here is a good dino erl discussion. And dino oils are JEST FINE for a stock Savage engine -- dino oil and a reasonable oil change frequency is list proven to go 51,000 to 76,000 to 120,000 miles on a Savage engine so far. Yep, one right purty bike (guys can accept terms like purty, "pretty" is too girly for them) and one really pretty bike ;) Castrol is a good premium brand name of oil. There is nothing wrong with Castrol and it does cost a lot less than the rest of the $9 a quart bottle JASO MA rated oils that you commonly see in the motorcycle section. But when you start talking buying in gallon or bigger jugs you can get premium brand name JASO MA rated oils with excellent reps a whole lot cheaper than $3.99 a quart. And remember, with two scooters he is gonna be killing over a gallon of oil for each scheduled oil change that he does, so yeah, cost does matter some. And that huge 3 gallon jug begins to smell more like a convenient package sized one season oil supply for his two bikes ..... |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by WD on 10/02/10 at 10:22:55 Nice looking bikes. Mine hasn't looked that good since it was a month old. Can't remember the last time my engine was shiny... :-/ Anything you want to know about Savages you can find out here. Oh, the only changes since they premiered in 1986 have been minor. 5 speeds instead of 4, different turn siganl housings and 4 way flashers, different style CDI box, one piece seat instead of 2 piece (2 piece is better, you can throw the rear away and clean up the bike). If you ride year round, run 10W winter oil, 20W summer oil, or 15W year round. Doesn't matter, as long as there is something in the crankcase it will be happy. If you are getting your filters from Whitney or Shadetree, order at least 4 at a time to justify the buttf'n on shipping. I get mine locally for $5 or so each, same Emgo filter the dealership repackages and sells for $10. Have fun with them. When you want to get into cutting them up and making them truly yours, I'll be around. Mine is on its 5th or so major revamp. Welcome to the loony bin. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 11:16:46 #3 oil man here Vergys says you under fill your oil,#2 oil man Old Fellow says you over fill your oil,#1 oil man BILL67 says you fill it like Suzuki says,Between the lines.I wished #3 oil man and #2 oil man could get their Sh!t together. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 11:32:35 I think he's referring to this .... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1283793450/25#25 .... and maybe also alluding to his last oil war or two (or three) where he wasn't at all successful on making his points, so instead he mushes it all together like it is some kind of conclusive pile of something or 'nother and flops it out on the table like it means something. It doesn't. We are talking dino oils today .... .... not stuff from two-three weeks ago (or even longer) on a completely different subject. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldnewguy on 10/02/10 at 11:46:47 Ha! And you thought Boofer was blowing smoke about oil questions. ;D I use Suzuki oil that I buy from the dealer about a mile from me. It costs more but they treat all of their customers very well. I once had a repair that included a flatbed tow, a used part and almost an hours time and they charged me $8.50 for labor, nothing for the flatbed because the owner went and got my bike and nothing for the used part. :) That,s why I pay $5.45 a quart for oil. ;) |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 12:01:23 Personal loyalty because of good past service is a reason to do what you do -- but you understand it clearly and state it well. Brand loyalty is a reason too I guess, but we can question if there is anything behind the image to make some oils cost 3-4 times more than test equivalent oils that actually do the same job. Strange thoughts like "ya gotta go buy the very most expensive stuff you can find no matter how much it costs to ship it in to you" are jest strange -- after evaluating them factually you gotta question why folks hang on to them anyway after being dis proven. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 12:08:26 I've been evaluating Klotz for 40 years that good enough for me,you learn with age. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 12:20:08 Bull shooting again, Bill? Did you hit him? Was he riding a snowmobile by any chance? Klotz sold two stroke oils starting in 1960's and only started making a 4 stroke motor oil in the past 5 years. They lost their bread and butter market when the two stroke bikes finally dwindled away (curse you EPA) and they had to do something to continue to sell some $13 a quart synthetic oil. Synthetic oil, Bill -- not applicable to the current discussion. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 12:44:03 Does Rotella make two cycle oil. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 12:59:07 Let's talk about BRAND LOYALTY -- how does one get that elusive "good brand name" and how does one go about keeping it? Any thoughts? =========== Face it, men are creatures of habit. My daddy used Quaker State and swore by it and I used it until it KILLED a car engine by sludging solid due to overheating .... then by golly I started doing my own thinking !! =========== Men and women are "brand loyal" in the face of a lot of data and evidence to the contrary. Why are you loyal to Castrol? Or to Mobil 1? Or to any other car oil brand that just within the last few years custom mixed up a set of motorcycle spec'd oil and started charging you 3-4 times more for it? (it must be them special print run bottles that cost them so durn much) Castrol's rep was racing oil for cars -- and yes they did supply racing oils for motorcycles so their rep is more solid than most. Did you know that the original racing oils don't have any of the durability packages or anti-oxidant packages or detergent packages or surfactant packages that a wet clutch motorcycle needs for long term oil stability? Racing oils get dumped at the end of the day and the motors get torn down .... no need for that long range durability stuff so the original racing oils simply didn't have any. Racing isn't the best place to look for durability under extreme loads and "heavy duty use" anyway .... 12.5 to 1 compression ratios and pump gasoline bearing loadings really aren't that stressful compared to severely nasty 20:1 compression ratios and 150,000 mile drain intervals now are they? Hmmmm .... what brand names are world beaters in that more difficult turf that has natural requirements that mean the oil can be JASO tested and pass handily as-is without requiring ANY additional anything (including the special additives, special packaging and quadruple the original car product costs that the car guys had to do)? They already had more of the good stuff than was required by JASO anyway, right from the get go. Delvac, Shaffer, Dello, Motul, Rotella, who speaks in these strange brand names and which ones of these brand names are respected in the world of "gets so darn hot in the cylinder the stuff self ignites -- no spark plugs are needed"? Which ones are respected for doing the 150,000-200,000 mile distance and protecting that 18 cylinder 20:1 compression quarter million dollar engine the best? And why does that sort of name brand preference cross over more closely to the needs of our hot running air cooled big single motorcycle engine than some of the lower stressed water cooled race car stuff does? Any thoughts here? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 13:06:45 My thoughts are it sure is funny that you know about how good diesel oil is for motorcycles an Suzuki,honda,yamaha,kawasaki, don't know that. :o :o ::) ::) |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 13:10:24 But then again they don't even know what kind of tires to put on their motorcycles,Boy what a bunch of Jap retards ::) ::) :o :o |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/10 at 13:18:53 In combination they are JASO -- and I think they do know. Once again, Rotella exceeded JASO specs "as is" -- the first time it was tested it passed everything except on sulfur content and that was because the number had just been lowered by JASO. Second test passed and so has every test since then. Strange thing is the oil was already very popular with four cycle motorcycle drag racing folks and had a decades long tradition of excellent wear control with the high mileage boys like the Honda Goldwing crew. =========================== Name off some dino oil brands that we all like to use, then we stick them up in a poll and let the list folks ring in with what they currently use. Are you a betting man, Billum? Neither one of us has a dog in that fight (we both use synthetics) so it will be interesting to see which dinosaur we like to squeeze the most for our crank case drippings. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/02/10 at 13:39:23 I really don't know anything about the differenced dino oils being in the construction business I always used the best not the cheapest,You know you can buy a Hershey bar or go in a homemade chocolate store and get the real deal but you do pay more. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by IN-S40 on 10/02/10 at 16:44:44 wow! I see the oil subject is a bit touchy around here! ;D I have picked up the Rotella and will be using that.... Now should i fill it according to the manual or overfill.... just kidding! ;) Thanks for the help everyone! Darren NW Indiana |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/10 at 00:12:34 If your bike is still young and is not using any oil between changes, you can do the standard Suzuki method. (and most people do) Once you get on up into the higher mileage oil sipping stage of things, probably better to peek over the edge of the window on the side stand -- gives you a "confidence reserve" for a longer trip and makes sure you never run low to the standard Suzuki method. Plus it is easier to keep an eye on, which is a good thing when you become an oil sipper. ====================== If you are changing over to Rotella for the very first time be aware that the extra surfactant and detergent packages in the oil are gonna strip all the black crap out of the nooks and crannies of your motor -- all that black crap that you wipe your finger on and sigh when you have a cover off working on things. It's gonna do it like NOW, so expect your first Rotella change to go dark fairly quick as it picks up all your past sins and puts it into active suspension into the oil. Diesels have to deal with fine soot blowing past the rings due to the extreme compression levels reached both before and during their combustion processes, so they have all the necessary detergent scrubbers and particle suspenders that are up to that dirty task for a goodly long (100,000 mile plus) time. What this does for us in a Savage is to give us a ongoing clean up of all the past owner's sins and omissions. I have intentionally used this trick on some really abused & crapped up bikes and the diesel oil will strip them clean internally within a year of normal oil changes. Just don't be surprised when the first oil change gets dark pretty durn quick. You don't HAVE to change the first one out any earlier than normal, the fine crap from the past sins will stay in suspension and wait for a normal oil change interval (but most of us do chose to change it on out early -- for us bike guys its a habit to get the evil on out of there). But you don't have to -- it will stay in suspension for 100,000 miles as it is built to do that as normal duty. After a Rotella oil change or three you'll even out to a steady clean state and your engine gunk will all be gone ... Pretty durn nice stuff for less than $2.00 a quart, huh? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/03/10 at 03:42:17 Put Sea Foam in your oil to clean up the engine,Then go to a good motorcycle oil like Klotz Synthetic. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/10 at 07:27:17 Bill, did you really tell a newbie to fill his float bowl up 100% with straight seafoam? You know he's never gonna get it to start, don't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D "Do you believe in Magic -- in a young girl's heart ...." |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/03/10 at 07:30:14 No not to fill it up,He only needs about 1/4 the bowl filled with Sea Foam. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/10 at 07:43:11 Bill, he filled it up all the way let's see .... $8 for the seafoam $26 for two quarts of Klotz Bill's magical solution costs $30 per bike (plus shipping, but who's counting) Mine isn't magical, but it works fine and only costs $5 per bike Bill's solution costs six times more than mine, so according to Bill logic it MUST BE AT LEAST six times better as it gets both the red magic from the Klotz and the white smoke magic from the Seafoam making it double times six times betterer...er |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/03/10 at 08:21:16 I would say your looking at closer to 9 to 10 times better to be honest with you. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/10 at 08:24:25 Did it pick up the extra points because you don't have to ever do any routine maintenance on it ever again due to the red and clear "zero wear" fairy sparkles protecting all the rest of the bike? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/03/10 at 08:27:03 The red is easy to see in the oil window,So you don't screw up and over fill,And you will have no wear on your engine. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/10 at 09:28:47 Does all the voluminous white smoke pouring from the exhaust pipe from the seafoam burning off during the combustion process add any extra magical "shaman" points to the equation? The original native Americans liked white smoke a whole lot for its magical properties, they even communicated with their totem spirits by smoke signals .... What is this one saying to you? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-4EfjUU5o4&p=32AF236C118A5ACF&playnext=1&index=15[/media] Spirit talk translation: Hey bonehead, the shaman spirits say you will now have to replace all your oil contaminated oxygen and CO2 sensors and get your pollution control system reset by the dealership -- total cost of around $1,760 to you --- but wasn't it worth it to you to "clean out your engine" using the white cloud Seafoam magic? I guess the red magic sparkles didn't bond with and compliment the white smoke magic on that one, now did it? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/03/10 at 11:45:51 Oldfeller you wouldn't be a redneck would you. :-/ |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/03/10 at 12:09:10 The term is Amerind, and no I don't have any native totemic or shamanic heritage in my background. Nor do I really believe in red oil magic, white smoke magic or fairy sparkles of whatever color you may think you need. I hale from actual factual and I believe in empirical engine test results and many miles worth of oil analysis done by Blackstone labs and other reputable data sources. The fact I can speak fluent enough Billish well enough to communicate with you and I can follow your convoluted backwards Billogic is a tribute to my sense of humor more than my good sense. And why anyone, newbie or otherwise would go fill their carb bowl slam full up with a third of a bottle of rubbing alcohol, benzine and kerosene mixture (Seafoam) and then throw the other third of the bottle into the gallon and a half of gasoline sitting in their gas tank at your urging makes me wonder if they DRANK the first third of the bottle before they started following your instructions. But if you think I am a redneck, well then it must be so -- right? ;) ================================= BTW, when I am wrong I do say so ... and I was wrong and you were right. "I went out this afternoon and drained the seafoam out of the carb bowl, put the petcock on prime for a minute or so, and cranked it. After a few cranks, it fired up and ran like a charm with a little smoke and then cleared up. I suppose the stuck float will occur again, but I'm sure that has been the problem all along. Thanks for all your help" He didn't try to crank it with a bowl slam full of seafoam, he drained it first and "everything is working great now". The white smoke magic worked for him. T'is a fact -- it worked for him. :D :D :D Now, lets see how long that white smoke magic lasts. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by 99savage on 10/03/10 at 16:22:01 "I went out this afternoon and drained the seafoam out of the carb bowl, put the petcock on prime for a minute or so, and cranked it. After a few cranks, it fired up and ran like a charm with a little smoke and then cleared up. I suppose the stuck float will occur again, but I'm sure that has been the problem all along. Thanks for all your help" He didn't try to crank it with a bowl slam full of seafoam, he drained it first and "everything is working great now". The white smoke magic worked for him. T'is a fact -- it worked for him. :D :D :D Now, lets see how long that white smoke magic lasts.[/quote] Just to be clear, my goal was to hopefully clear out any small particles in the carb. I don't know if it will be successful in the long term. BTW, I'm only a newbie in terms of this forum. I'm a long time wrench but as far as bikes are concerned, I have a lot more experience with Vulcan 750's (two carbs with an entirely different petcock setup). While I do use seafoam somewhat regularly and have seen it work, I don't for a minute believe it is magical as some folks do. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/03/10 at 16:56:19 HERETIC! Bailiff, take him away! |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldnewguy on 10/04/10 at 08:27:58 This will just go on and on and on..... forever as usual! ;D |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/04/10 at 13:21:16 Uh oh .... You done told the true believers that you don't clap fer tinker bell ..... Good man !! ===================== Let's see, since you have enlisted on the reality side you need to get your standard issue Reality Side gear. Quartermaster, issue to 99Savage the standard Reality Side oil war gear at once (Hurry, he's got incoming ....) 10 pair kevlar underwear and tee shirts 10 pair kevlar long sleeve shirts and long pants 6 pair Flame proof shortsleeve shirts and short pants 2 sets of kevlar hip waders (the bullshite here can get flaming hot and hip deep around here) Heavy duty apron, fire gloves and fire suit (sometimes prevention is the best defense) True Vision Night Goggles (sometimes the truth is obscured by the smoke) When you get done at the Quartermaster, go by the Armory and pick up your .50 cal Barrett, your belt feed M60, your assault shotgun, carbide laminate fighting knife and get yerself Google qualified to do nuclear level research while you are there. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by 99savage on 10/04/10 at 13:40:04 I need all that just to fight off the incoming attack from "true believers"? I know I'm new here, but I've been around the Vulcan forum for a while now. There are some on that forum that "worship" the stuff while others see its role as a limited additive. I have seen it work for some problems, but I know for a fact that it doesn't dissolve everything it comes in contact with; therefore, some small particles simply break loose to go elsewhere. I guess my question is: where do you think those particles go? |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/04/10 at 14:51:05 Out in the magic white smoke of course. (that's why it's magic) When you clean up an engine internally by using diesel oil there isn't any magic smoke, the surfactants and detergents in the oil slowly strip away the particles that are clinging around on every internal surface and puts them into physical suspension in the oil matrix. Then when you drain the used oil, the particles depart with the drained oil. No magic, no white smoke, just well designed chemistry in motion .... Now, if I were gonna free a stuck float and needle valve the way I do it is to turn the gas on then take a heavy screw driver handle and whack the float bowl a time or four fairly sharply to jar the needle off the seat. (temporary adhesion of the rubber tip to the brass seat has it momentarily trapped) Once it jars partially loose the gas starts to flow, everything separates and goes back to normal until the next time the bowl runs totally dry on you. Next time you take the bowl off, check to see that the float to needle spring clip is still attached properly and isn't stretched out, the float is supposed to physically tug the needle down away from the seat when it goes totally low, reliably opening up the gas pathway for when gas is available again. ================= And, did you know ..... Your standard regular gasoline has 10% alcohol in it now days. You are running cheap "carb cleaner" through your carb all the time now-a-days? And you can buy kerosene by the gallon at the gas station if you want to "estimate out" your own seafoam mix. ======================== Did you ever wonder how the big gas stations are offering "engine cleaner" at their pumps now? And they don't seem to have any extra tanks to hold anything new like "engine cleaner"? Well, let's see -- gasoline is a member of the benzine clan. Alcohol is alcohol and kerosene was originally named naptha oil or white oil, from back when it was used mostly as a lamp fuel. Wow -- the computerized pumping station just adds the right ratio of white oil to match the 10% alcohol content that's already there and the gasoline likely carries enough benzine type molecules for them to stretch their claims a bit to say they provided you "addatec engine cleaner" for that extra dollar or two they charged you for the "addatec package" that you punched up for at the pump. Heck, you might have gotten a whole pint or two of white oil added to your gas tank full of gasoline for your 1-2 extra dollars you paid (but they also charged you the full gasoline price for that couple of pints on top of that as it went out through the main flow $$$ meter along with the rest of the load). And how the heck do they provide a custom "mileage booster" by pushing a button at the pump? You guessed it -- white oil is a heavier, higher energy carrying molecule so about the same mix ratio as "addatec engine cleaner" is also the "addatec mileage booster" you can also buy at the pump by pushing the other button (except it costs even more). and its all "white smoke magic" too -- heck they should charge even more for it !!! ;D ;D ;D |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/04/10 at 15:07:05 Bill, Since it has been 29 years since the last time you adjusted a valve on a motorcycle engine .... .... has it been about that same length of time since you ever dropped the bowl on your carburetor? ;D ;D ;D Does Seafoam magic do the same thing for you for the carburetor that Klotz magic does for the engine? What other magical stuff have you been using to avoid working on your bike? Slime in the tubes to prevent flats? We know you put Klotz in your forks (almost like work, that one). What other wonder stuffs have you discovered ??? Bill is not unique -- .... we have another list member that has 76,000 miles on a Savage that has never had the valves adjusted so YES VIRGINIA you can simply decide to never do anything to it except change the oil and put gas in it and it will keep right on running .... .... 'cept that guy doesn't believe in magic -- he just changes his oil frequently and fixes what gets wonky whenever it happens. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/04/10 at 15:25:51 Oldfeller I haven't discovered any thing.Sea foam will clean the engine and carb,Klotz is the best high performance oil money can buy.Now OF you are the Columbus here you discovered diesel oil is better in motorcycles than Motorcycle oil,And that car tires are better than motorcycle tires on motorcycles. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/04/10 at 16:48:16 No .... and no Rotella was discovered a long time before I came back into biking by a whole lot of other people. It has been a popular motorcycle oil for decades -- just got oil warred here because it was an easy to win positon (still is, too -- wins every time). proof is here http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1286052718 VW Darksider tires were discovered back when I was in high school, they were cheap and they lasted forever. 15" rear wheel tire size was the MOST COMMON rear wheel size of the 50's 60's and 70's you know. All I did was figure out how to squeeze one into the wheel well of a Savage. And I wasn't the first, BTW, MMRanch was on his second Darksider tire and Paladin was on his 2-3rd tire by the time I posted mine. So, once again Bill aims carefully & fires his gun .... and instead of hitting the bullseye he hits the bull patty yet again. Pow !! <splat> :-[ :-* pew !! :o :P |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Boofer on 10/05/10 at 18:53:40 Hey IN-S40, Boofer here. (See second post, page 1). For a first time poster, you really stepped in it. I suggest your next question should be something like, oh I don't know...how about, "Can anybody tell me what it means to go over to the "Darkside" on tires?" And then a quick follow up, "Is it safe?" Welcome, again. We like your choice of bikes. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by bill67 on 10/05/10 at 19:02:27 74575F5D5E57575E493B0 wrote:
In 1957 cars went to 14 in wheels,First motorcycles in early 1900 had flat tires instead of round tires. |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by IN-S40 on 10/05/10 at 20:31:21 072A2A232037450 wrote:
LOL! Thanks Boofer! I guess I should have ended the question at the oil filter and not include the actual oil...lol I have gone with Rotella T. I use to snomobile alot and used Klotz in my 2 cycle engines and while they make a fine product that may be worth the money but my budget doesnt allow using it. Darren Indiana |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldfeller on 10/05/10 at 21:34:04 .... and if you were silly enough to ask Boofer's questions you'd be stepping on a completely different set of land mines. Now you know why the Quartermaster issues that heavy duty kelvar underwear and those deep water hip waders -- even your buddies on this list are equipped with a sense of humor and will tell you "Hey, walk over there and kick over that rock and see if the colony of ground hornets are still there ..." Actually, the boys are jest bored tonight and want something to read ... |
|
Title: Re: Intro and oil filter question Post by Oldnewguy on 10/06/10 at 04:26:25 Me thinks "the boys" have seen this one before a few times. ;D Just please don't take this all seriously! :D |
|
SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2! YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved. |