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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Rock in the Belt /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1282711115 Message started by Routy on 08/24/10 at 21:38:34 |
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Title: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/24/10 at 21:38:34 If you have never had a rock get in the belt,...or pulley as in my case this morning, you could be in for a somewhat frightening experience. This was a small rock, maybe a 1/4", but how it can make that much noise and vibration on the whole frame is beyond me ! I thought sure I lost the tranny,.....or worse. I'm glad I was doing only about 20 mph when it happened. And it wasn't the easiest thing to find either. You have been warned ! :o |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by jabman on 08/24/10 at 23:35:39 yer rocks in the belt arnt a very nice experience, i guess its just one of those drawbacks a belt drive. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/25/10 at 04:47:01 Let me not be misunderstood, I in no way was putting any bad mouth on the belt drive. The belt drive IMO is the best thing that ever happened to a motorcycle. Till 1.5 yrs ago, I hadn't rode in 35 yrs, but I still remember those PITA chain drives ! 343F3C333F305E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by nathanhooper on 08/25/10 at 04:55:08 So does the rock not come out on its own? Was it in the front or rear pulley? |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/25/10 at 05:22:27 Once found, (in the rear cogged pulley) it was not stuck tight at all. If I had been going faster, big chances are it would not have stayed in in the first place. And had I just got going faster after it happened, I believe centrifugal force could have thrown it out. But I could never have done that. Just idling in first gear it was a bad knockin....frame vibrating....teeth grinding experience. Now that I know what a rock sounds like, I know that I had a rock go thru the belt once before when (at 50 mph) there was a terrible "bang" that shook the whole frame,....scart me to death,....but thats all there was. I will add, both times I was on a road where repaving was being done nearby. And this little rock was kinda black lookin. So I would say, if you're around repaving, BEWARE ! |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by jabman on 08/25/10 at 08:24:57 424D574C505645474F4156240 wrote:
[/quote] oh yer that's what i ment. I didn't appreciate my belt drive until I had to pay for new sprockets and a chain for my other bike :o |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Serowbot on 08/25/10 at 12:18:04 Geez!,... something else to worry about.... ... and I don't have a beltguard!... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/25/10 at 13:11:04 My big worry was the rear wheel locking up,.....but now knowing that would be very unlikley, it wouldn't worry me much if it happened again. But I would think the more guards, the better. Thinking about a thread or 2 about rocks wearing a hole thru a belt if left in, I don't see how anyone could stand to leave a rock in a pulley. It ain't like you're not going to know its in there :o |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by thumperclone on 08/25/10 at 14:29:15 no visiable damage?? |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Digger on 08/25/10 at 21:44:45 2B243E25393F2C2E26283F4D0 wrote:
It can happen, though......I've had it happen on two different occasions now: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1218766842/9#9 |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/25/10 at 22:00:59 I agree, that was a stupid statement by me ! If the rock is big enough, one of 2 things will happen, if the belt doesn't break, the wheel WILL stop turning. I'd hate to think that there really is a disadvantage to a belt drive. 604D43434156240 wrote:
It can happen, though......I've had it happen on two different occasions now: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1218766842/9#9[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/25/10 at 23:27:48 I just been looking at it,.....I don't see where it would be hard to add a guard,.....a pc of belting anchored off the swing arm, just barely touching the bottom of the belt just before it enters the rear pulley. This could stop 90% of potential rocks that could be sucked into there. I would be surprised if someone doesn't already make a bolt on guard kit for this. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/26/10 at 07:11:35 Lower belt rock guard,....found one on ebay,... standard on at least one bike. Then you have these guy taking them off cuz their ugly..... http://badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/73809.html?1094602682 |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by mornhm - FSO on 08/26/10 at 10:50:35 Two words: SHAFT DRIVE Actually I haven't had problems with chains, belts or shaft drive. However they are listed in order of decreasing maintenance. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/26/10 at 18:22:50 Really ? Wow, I didn't know SD was optional on a Savage 40. Maybe I'll trade for one. 696B766A6C69040 wrote:
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/28/10 at 04:09:02 After getting down there looking at the problem area,.....thinking of a way to put any kind of a guard that mite help in discouraging a rock from getting sucked in, I have concluded that anything I put there that could stop a rock from flying directly into the pulley, could also cause rocks to drop onto the belt, and completely defeat my purpose. So scratch that idea. I think if a simple guard would fix it, Suzuski would have put it there ?? :o What I'm thinking now, it that if I run the belt tension on the looser side rather than tighter, I would have a much better chance of a rock going on thru, verses locking up the rear wheel, as some here have experienced. I can't really think of any disadvantege of running the belt a touch on the loose side,.....as I don't think our horsepower is going to spin a pulley inside that cogged belt too quick. Any thoughts welcome. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Digger on 08/28/10 at 19:46:02 To tell you the truth, even though it's happened to me twice, I don't worry about it. If I frequently rode on dirt/gravel roads, however, I might rethink. YMMV! |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Charon on 08/28/10 at 19:50:32 I suppose I could point out that belt and chain guards are not usually installed to protect the belt or chain, but to protect the people using the equipment from being injured by the belt or chain. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/28/10 at 20:12:47 Well, we could say that guards are put there to keep stuff out,...including fingers ?? 7B50594A5756380 wrote:
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/28/10 at 20:28:52 I don't like to think what I mite be thinking if I had a rock actually lock up the rear wheel twice. Just having a rock go thru the belt/pulley twice now, has me a little paranoid whenever I see gravel on the roadway, especially knowing that a rock can and does lock up the wheel. Untill something better comes up, I'm going w the looser belt idea. 7F525C5C5E493B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/10 at 06:23:32 If I was really worried about it, I think Id look at a guard that mounted on the swingarm & crossed the belt at an angle, sweeping anything running down the belt away from in front of the pulley. The bottom would have to be rounded or risk undue wear on the belt & Id set it to sweep away from the wheel. God help you if it comes off & gets all up in there.... |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/29/10 at 07:09:47 A thin heavy bristled brush at a 45 deg angle across the belt ?? Good thought ! Positive mounting could be the problem. Now I'm also thinking,.....the front wheel is whats causing the problem !! But I guess a mud (rock) flap wouldn't be too cool ?? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/10 at 09:15:38 What's less cool than a rock in the belt? Besides, its YOUR bike. Make it work in a safe, dependable manner, thats cool... No one is gonna die for me when its my turn, Ill be d4mned if Ill let someones opinion change the way I live. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/29/10 at 10:09:25 Well hell, now you're gonna make me go back out there and see just how ugly a mud flap mite get ! :o 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
On edit,..scratch the mud flap off the fender ! This discussion is over. A flap off the cross bar on my forward controls is going to solve my problem ! I may even offer it an accessory to my forward control sales ;D Thanks JOG |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/10 at 14:04:21 Ya' Welcome, |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Bear on 08/29/10 at 18:15:59 Watch out when riding on fresh asphalt. I got a pebble stuck in the rear pulley that was covered in asphalt and it stuck pretty well. It did put a mark on the belt and that is when I started looking for the cause. Took a screwdriver to pry it loose. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Thump05 on 08/29/10 at 19:35:06 I never had a rock stuck in my belt sprocket but I had some straw that was blowing across a country road end up in my sprocket. I thought I had a major malfunction. :o Bang, bang, bang was the sound I heard and felt. I stopped immediately and checked out the drive by rolling the bike backwards. A pocket knife solved the problem digging the straw :o out of my sprocket. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Serowbot on 08/29/10 at 19:48:45 The beltguard is mostly to protect you from water splashes... It would take a contortionist to get a body part stuck in there,.. and if the guard was for rocks, it would be on the bottom run of belt instead of the top... gravity takes care of the top... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Digger on 08/29/10 at 21:20:38 343B213A26203331393720520 wrote:
[/quote] Rout, I should have pointed out that I've been riding this bike for almost 9 years now. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Routy on 08/30/10 at 05:58:07 Rout, I should have pointed out that I've been riding this bike for almost 9 years now. -------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I guess odds of a wheel lockup would be slim. But I'm going w/ a "rock flap" up front,.......why not, its got to lower the odds ! |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Digger on 08/30/10 at 23:45:17 232C362D313724262E2037450 wrote:
I think you're right....be sure and post pics, plz! |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Wolfman on 08/31/10 at 00:02:55 Ive got a 1000 foot gravel drive and have to ride a mile on a gravel road to hit the blacktop, i dont sweat the rocks to much. Makes a he!! of a noise when one the size of a nickel or so gets sucked through. I think youd have to have one the size of a golfball to lock it up. And then the savage(s40) would probably just eat it and burp. Tough lil rides....lol |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by mornhm - FSO on 08/31/10 at 06:25:56 Just for fun Wolfman, remember that there are a bunch of different types of "gravel" and even within the types there is a huge difference in friability and hardness. One man's talc is another man's diamond, but they can both be in gravel. I don't think you'd want to try and run a piece of river rock (sedimintary) with a MOHS hardness of 7 plus through your belt, but you could probably feed pieces of talc -MOHS hardness 1 - in all day. ;D Boy, this should probably be in the open forum. :-X |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/10 at 07:02:12 I have a belt with a hole in it from a rock. |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by kimchris1 on 08/31/10 at 08:23:18 After reading all these posts, I have decided to make this part of my check list. I don't ride on a lot of gravel. Yet all it takes is one lil rock or chunk. Thanks guys for bringing this to my attention. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Rock in the Belt Post by Wolfman on 08/31/10 at 11:58:08 Weelll now i dont recall the county ever useing any limestone or sandstone for graveling any roads around here. Dont reckon their going to use any granite either. Most IS river rock which is a combination of many types of rocks. My point was its going to have to be a pretty decent sized rock to lock it up. Have'nt exactly had time to check the hardness of the local gravel. :P |
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