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Title: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/18/10 at 12:58:05 I would like to have the loudest, most obnoxious savage there is. My 2001 Savage has 5.5k miles. Oil change at 500 and 1k miles with filter change is the ONLY maintenance I've done. Question to anyone who knows what they're talking about: What other modifications, if any, should I do along with the straight pipe? Is a rejet of the carb in order? I really want to know if it's okay to put just a straight pipe with little or no ramifications. Thanks to all in advance. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by JohnBoy on 08/18/10 at 13:16:00 Do a search on this site for Diamond Jim's "longshot pipe"He has lots of very good information and I can speak first hand for his design. JohnBoy |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by splash07 on 08/18/10 at 13:16:31 Speaking from experience I think it is a poor decision. I have a heavily chopped savage with a cone filter and a cleaned head but few other perf mods. I tried the straight pipe for a while but it was way too loud and was making the bike run like crap. I put in a 145.5 main and stock pilot jet and put in a 3" baffle in my exhaust, the bike is running much better but sounds like a sewing machine going down the road at 85 mph. Still not a very appealing sound, and you will really look dumb when you get in a reving competition at a light with the Harley next to you. I plan on getting a more restrictive muffler welded in soon to solve the sound problem and then playing with the jets and carb adjustments until i find the sweet spot. Keep in mind everyone's bike is different (i.e. rider and bike weight, perf mods, age, oil used) and though we all have the same bike, what works on mine and for me may not on yours or for you. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/18/10 at 15:08:02 Why would the savage sound like crap? |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by LANCER on 08/18/10 at 16:12:08 Diamond Jims bike is the only one I have ever seen that ran well with a straight pipe, but then he is an engineer and spent months testing and retesting a dozen or more designs before he found an exhaust & intake setup that would actually work and sound good. Ask MMranch and Oldfeller about how the bike performs on the curvy mountain roads of NC and on straight-a-ways in acceleration and top end speed. His is a rather unique system. Since I am currently in possession of the bike I may try to get some photos and spec's on his design and post it for the gang here. That should at least help others go in that direction if they choose. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by thumperclone on 08/18/10 at 19:39:50 few years ago lancer had some 3" hard krome slash cut muffs for cheap... been runnin one on my 06 since.. had a fellow pgr rider say he couldnt ride behind me(80+ on the highway) cause i was TOO loud.. 3 am will wake the dead wot putt her and theres no prob.. its a spiral metal baff in there aweome sound for the ls but too loud for some i was in the artillery so noise doesnt bother me.... |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/18/10 at 22:08:01 i say if u want pure ear drum rupturing sound screw a pipe all together and just have a small elbow at the end of the header pipe pointing out. you lose out on performance though, need a little back pressure for torque. if you got the scratch laying around, get a supertrapp with a ton of discs. like 16 discs. you can tune it by adding more discs to make it louder but still has the backplate to give some back pressure too and sounds balls. def need to rejet if your doing major exhaust mods like that. if your opening her up like that id go all the way to the relative top and get a 155 main 55 pilot, shave half of the spacer off, and tune the hell out of it. at least she wont be thirsty when you make her sing ;D |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/18/10 at 22:11:20 i also heard BCB's strait pipe is supposed to sound pretty good too |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by sitkasavage on 08/18/10 at 22:37:48 I just put on the BCB pipe on my 2005. The sound is awesome. The performance is better. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Charon on 08/19/10 at 05:57:37 If you want to be loud and obnoxious, I can't change your mind. But have you noticed any signs reading something like "No Jake Brakes" or "No Engine Brakes" anywhere around? Those signs aren't there to prohibit the brakes - they are there because of the NOISE made by those brakes. Do you want the next set of signs to say "No Motorcycles?" Nonriders do NOT want to hear the noise. I know - "If they don't like it, screw 'em." Remember that next time you hear a booming car go by. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by kevinphan on 08/19/10 at 06:22:18 012A23302D2C420 wrote:
It's a nuisance to them for a few minutes or seconds, however long it takes you to pass. Straight pipe has saved me from cagers a bunch of times in traffic, one blip of the throttle and they are scared shtless. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Charon on 08/19/10 at 06:31:56 Wouldn't it be more socially responsible to use the horn for a few seconds? That's why it is installed on the motorcycle. If the horn isn't loud enough, a louder horn is cheaper than a different exhaust pipe. Then the only time you make an obnoxious racket is when you need it. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/19/10 at 07:13:34 whats the fun in being socially responsible. the whole motorcycle culture is about expression and freedom. loud pipes really arent that obnoxious unless your laying it on or doing burnouts. they are loud for the few seconds you ride by then its gone. whatever you have to do to make yourself more noticable the safer you are, plus the horn is only good for anticipating danger that you can see. loud pipes will make you noticable to anyone in your bubble that you cant see |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/19/10 at 08:12:15 Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. Hashbrown knows how it works. I was once on the highway passing a minivan and as I was accelerating and passing him, I went into his blind spot, at which time he decided to cut me off. Had he done so, I would not be writing this post. There is no time to lay on the horn in that situation, as the driver is 1 foot away from you, and by the time he notices the horn, you're on the ground. I just want people to be WELL aware that I'm there. An obnoxiously loud pipe is in order. Over the top noise. Oh, and in NJ there are no signs for loud brakes or or motorcycles or whatever. Everyone drives a big fat harley with an exhaust that is extremely loud anyway. Where can I get a BCB straight pipe??? |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/19/10 at 09:09:28 When you modify your exhaust, you have to take in concideration your locale. If everyone has loud pipes, then all the cagers expect to hear a m/c weather or not the windows are up, the a/c blasting and the radio blaring. And if you get out of your locale, be aware you will get into areas where a blasting pipe is unlawful. An adjustable baffle might be neccessary. Personally, a wake the dead pipe is unnecessary. But a dead quiet pipe will leave you just that, dead. I've found a happy medium where I don't require ear plugs to ride my own bike and where local cagers don't forget I'm there, even when they are texting. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by kimchris1 on 08/19/10 at 09:17:31 Verslagen1, which exhaust do you have on your bike? It isn't so loud that it would scare a bunny would it? ;) |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/19/10 at 10:43:20 BCB is www.bluecollarbobbers.com i am in the midst of installing their seat and rear fender, i was fortunate enough to get my savage with the supertrapp included ;D. the BCB pipe is pricy at $155 compared to the HD muffs you can get for $50 but cheaper then a $300 supertrapp. it looks cool though since its already powercoated black and comes with heat wrap for the header pipe. their stuff is top notch quality. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/19/10 at 11:56:11 0A080C020913081250610 wrote:
I have a supertrapp. A rich warm tone that has an acceptable volume when cruising thru residential area's and a jacob brake sound that'll cause them to drop their phone and move over. I've never had a bunny cross the road in front of me, so they most likely know I'm coming. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Ruddy on 08/19/10 at 19:44:11 "Loud pipes lose rights. Rider training saves lives." That's it. Period. This so called "Loud pipes saves lives" garbage is nothing more than a flimsy excuse for immature, obnoxious behavior. There are NO statistics to back up that claim and plenty to show the damage the noise does to our image. >:( I like a nice mellow sounding bike, but it doesn't have to so loud that it sets off car alarms. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/19/10 at 19:57:25 Loud enough to be seen. everyday I am not a stat is a victory for me. [edit] Quote:
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/19/10 at 22:26:09 4B584F4E515C5A58530C3D0 wrote:
agreed, id rather gamble on my image then my life. and since when did riding become a popularity contest. just cause i didnt sit at the cool table in high school doesnt mean im using riding to make up for that :-[. I highly doubt that people will equate louder pipes with being a 1% er 8-) |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/19/10 at 22:31:27 not to mention that ive personally put more smiles on peoples faces when they hear the volume and depth of sound that comes out of the tiny girl. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Educatedredneck on 08/19/10 at 23:20:04 My Hard Chrome is fairly loud....I wear ear plugs for the wind noise more than my exhaust noise. I have been told by my co-workers that they can hear me coming and hear me leave but once I'm in the parking lot, all is quiet, cause I lay off the twist while parking my bike. It's a Savage, it supposed to be on the loud side. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by babyhog on 08/20/10 at 08:16:42 7A7D6C6C71080 wrote:
I agree that rider training saves lives, but what about the car drivers who don't get that training? Anything to make them more aware of a motorcycle HAS to be better. IF loud pipe statistics were included in accident reports, I would bet that quiet bikes get hit more for not being seen (er um, heard) Its only logical. As far as our image - I'm sorry that you equate loud pipes with a bad image. And some may agree with you, but I'm not the least bit worried about those morons. Overly excessive loud pipes are annoying to me, and I agree the car-alarm-setting-off loud is not necessary. But the stock muffler on my bike was way too quiet for me! |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Boule’tard on 08/20/10 at 08:54:28 4E5D4A4B54595F5D5609380 wrote:
Exactly.. the trick is to have a muffler just loud enough to perk up drivers waiting to pull out in front of you, you know, those gray areas where you are not sure if you should honk at them or not. The Dyna muffler on the Savage is about the perfect balance. Seems like it was stamped "80db" but seemed louder than a muffler I am running now, which is labeled "94db" (at what distance, angle, throttle position, RPM, etc? ::)) Regardless of the stampings or legality, the muffler still has to be evaluated carefully for individual riding habits, neighborhood, etc. as to maintain good safety and courtesy. Then if the drivers still treat you as invisible with the moderate-volume pipe, an extra loud horn is also good :D |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by JohnBoy on 08/20/10 at 09:02:10 I built and installed Diamond Jim's long shot straight pipe, and to be honest it did actually set off car alarms. Then I added my rendition of his “free flow” baffle and it is now pleasingly loud without offending the neighbors. Noise was not my intent however. I was trying to increase the overall efficiency of the engine without spending the money for a Supertrapp. Many of you have seen from my emissions post that my bike (with the changes that I have made) won't pass...not even close! This is after going back to the original jets and enrichment circuit spring. I also replaced the plug, packed my baffle with glass wool and did a valve job. My bike is now in the hands of a Suzuki mechanic who said that he doesn't believe the changes that I have made would account for such a high level of CO emission. He will find the culprit and I will let you know how it preforms after it passes emissions. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/20/10 at 09:35:33 1E3B3C3A163B2D540 wrote:
thats when you start making friends with mechanics and slip him a $20 :D |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by BurnPgh on 08/20/10 at 15:12:52 4D4A5B5B463F0 wrote:
All i know is this....When I had my stock pipe I was run off the road several times by people paying no attention. Not just "close call" but actually off of the road. I had several run in with deer that couldve been bad as well. I put a Harley Screamin Eagle slashcut on and its loud. Loud enough that I know Im irritating my neighbors in the middle of night, so I try to be curteous and once Im in for the night, Im in for the night. I orginally switched just because it sounded awesome but as an even better bonus to sounding awesome since I switched I have not been run off the road or had any close calls with cagers at all, and I can watch the deer scatter a hundred yards before im anywhere near them. If Im too loud for you to continue you phone conversation while driving, by all means, back off, pass me, switch lanes, whatever you want so long as you are very aware that Im there and even better if your intent on getting away from me. I dont want to be near you when you arent concentrating on the road anyhow. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by wingsout on 08/21/10 at 15:20:42 I'm not sure where I read this: THINK---Skinny blonde in an Escalade-----texting! |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by BuckHMCC on 08/21/10 at 16:37:26 I don't buy into the loud pipe rationalizations. It's easy to say to yourself that when you're moving the sound is irritating others for only a short time, but more and more people are saying that to themselves, and more and more motorcycles are making more and more noise. There may be a back-lash coming. Even I am irritated at night trying to sleep in my bed by god-awful loud motorcycles laboring in the distance, and I've been a motorcyclist for 45 years. Google "loud pipes are for babies". Motorcycling is a privilege, not a right, but you do know that, don't you? What's that (old) song -- "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone..." Take your straight pipe into NYC these days and you will get a big ticket. So you have a need to be noticed, my friend? I've got a headlight modulator on my Bandit (two headlamps: low beam always on, high beam flashing 4 times per second during daylight hours). That get's me noticed. And absolutely silent. Legal in all 50 states. Federal DOT law supercedes all state/local laws. I've had to explain that to a police officer once. I've had almost no trouble with people pulling out in front of me or cutting me off. It's amusing when oncomers start flashing their lights, but that just verifies that I'm very noticeable while relatively quiet (stock exhaust). My daughter's Savage with its stock exhaust does not have a headlight modulator. When I ride it I believe the problems are more frequent. I would put one on it, but we don't like the riding position and will trade it soon for a standard. I will put a modulator on the next bike. I believe headlight modulators are likely more effective and certainly more acceptable than loud pipes. They should be standard equipment, just as I believe daytime running lights work and should be standard on all 4-wheelers. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Charon on 08/21/10 at 17:03:13 I believe Denver is working on, or has passed, a law similar to NYC saying motorcycles must have stock pipes. I wholeheartedly agree with them, though that will make me even more unpopular on here. If I were the Feds, I would not allow loud pipes into any of the National parks, or for that matter any other Federal property. The test would be simple - if it sounds loud to the person at the gate, that person looks for the EPA label. If the EPA label isn't there, the motorcycle is not admitted. I know that won't work against the people who drill out stock pipes, but it is a start. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Ruddy on 08/21/10 at 19:22:52 685F58447A4D422A0 wrote:
All i know is this....When I had my stock pipe I was run off the road several times by people paying no attention. Not just "close call" but actually off of the road. I had several run in with deer that couldve been bad as well. I put a Harley Screamin Eagle slashcut on and its loud. Loud enough that I know Im irritating my neighbors in the middle of night, so I try to be curteous and once Im in for the night, Im in for the night. I orginally switched just because it sounded awesome but as an even better bonus to sounding awesome since I switched I have not been run off the road or had any close calls with cagers at all, and I can watch the deer scatter a hundred yards before im anywhere near them. If Im too loud for you to continue you phone conversation while driving, by all means, back off, pass me, switch lanes, whatever you want so long as you are very aware that Im there and even better if your intent on getting away from me. I dont want to be near you when you arent concentrating on the road anyhow.[/quote] If you really want to be seen out there, check out these two sites: http://www.hyperlites.com/ http://www.comagination.com/modulator.htm I run these on my bike, and they will do far more for you than a lot of unwelcome noise! |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Boule’tard on 08/21/10 at 19:40:15 I dunno about those modulators.. they definitely are more noticeable than a loud pipe because they "shoot forward" unlike pipes. But I have heard that drivers will mistake a motorbike w/modulator for an emergency vehicle, and actually begin to pull over, thinking you're a police escort or something. That's funny, but seems a lot more disruptive than a loud pipe. Stock harley mufflers still seem like the best option to me. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/21/10 at 20:17:49 787F6E6E730A0 wrote:
I've seen those modulators, I wouldn't use them. Why? cause after you look at them for awhile, it gets painful and you stop looking at it. then they'll lose track of your quiet pipe and run you over. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by kevinphan on 08/21/10 at 20:51:57 0532242C0F0A0404470 wrote:
Rode in NYC last month all around the city passing cops everywhere, didn't get no stinking ticket. For me, the law won't have an effect on how I modify my bike. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/21/10 at 21:10:28 3B3526393E2038313E500 wrote:
Rode in NYC last month all around the city passing cops everywhere, didn't get no stinking ticket. For me, the law won't have an effect on how I modify my bike.[/quote] they must've been shocked 'naw can't be, that ain'ta harley' |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/21/10 at 22:30:47 465542435C5157555E01300 wrote:
Rode in NYC last month all around the city passing cops everywhere, didn't get no stinking ticket. For me, the law won't have an effect on how I modify my bike.[/quote] they must've been shocked 'naw can't be, that ain'ta harley'[/quote] I have a question before I start rambling on: Where can I get Jim Diamond's straight pipe? I've been in NYC plenty of times. I live 10 min away. The cops there are used to the loud motorcycles because EVERYONE has them. Unless you're riding past 10pm, unnecessarily cruising at 6500 rpm in your straight piped Savage, cops won't give you a ticket. I feel very unnoticed with my stock savage. I have not come across a quieter motorcycle exhaust here in NJ. Not even close. The headlight modulator might as well be thrown in the trash. I say this because of my LOCATION. Every other person in NJ has way brighter 55watt HIDs in their honda civics with no muffler. Way brighter than any modulator. Bright clothing does the same thing. If I lived in the middle of bumblefawk CT, I would probably use them because my straight pipe won't be NECESSARY to be noticed. I live in a place where most people drive straight piped V8 mustangs, huge F350s that have never seen a payload of more than 300 ponds and LOUD harley riders who think they're the sheet. I need to battle all this with sound that will be heard AND bright lights that will be seen. I too have been caged in by cagers to the point where my air horn just doesn't cut it. I used it too many times in too many circumstances. Again, if I lived in rural Montana, where it's normally really quiet, I would LOVE a stock sounding, quiet Savage. I'd have my air horn as a precaution, and my 55watt HID light to see and be seen. That would be enough. That isn't enough in central NJ. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by LANCER on 08/22/10 at 03:24:24 unless you are just really set on a straight pipe because of the way it looks I have some mufflers that look great, are loud but have the minimal backpressure needed...and I do mean minimal. They are Hard Krome mufflers. This is the type muffler they are http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp533%3A5%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E639%3E697%3EWSNRCG%3D32386%3B4%3A4%3B487nu0mrj http://images2b.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp53446%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E639%3E697%3EWSNRCG%3D32386%3B4%3B%3B2376nu0mrj This is the baffling they have and it is removable, though they are very loud as is ... no need to remove the baffle. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E639%3E697%3EWSNRCG%3D32336%3A555%3B766nu0mrj Don't worry about the extra long necks on the mufflers, it is just heat shielding for the most part and can be cut back so they can be mounted on a Savage. I can mod it to fit a Savage, mount it and get a photo if you want to see what it looks like. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by dr1445 on 08/22/10 at 06:26:44 why stop at a straight pipe? get an emgo shorty megaphone with removable/packable baffle. you want loud just remove the baffle. http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn107/dr1445/emgo.jpg |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by james may on 08/22/10 at 13:00:24 716724212120150 wrote:
there ya go was going to suggest a trumpet megaphone type design would increase volume beyond a regular straight pipe.. I've got a jardine exhaust now.. it is plenty loud for me, and one of the louder exhausts for the savage, it does have baffles, and I just keep my rpms low in residential areas. it's either have a loud exhaust or go around honking my horn at anyone I think isn't paying full attention to the road and me.. which would be more annoying/image hurting??(i'd be honking my horn every 10 seconds loudly and repeatedly probably in city driving)(LA style driving) now I just put in my clutch and rev my engine loudly when going through intersections or by people I think aren't paying attention. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Savage_Amusement on 08/22/10 at 14:38:12 Hey Lancer I would like to see one of those on if you ever have the spare time. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by LANCER on 08/22/10 at 16:14:44 7A564B575C4B4A4D564B5C0A090909390 wrote:
here's a photo taken a few years back with the Hard Krome http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3B%3D72%3A%3D788%3DXROQDF%3E23238%3A878%3C649ot1lsi |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/22/10 at 19:53:35 Lancer, those pipes look absolutely amazing. I would absolutely love to have one that fits our savage. I'm not set on straight pipes at all. I just want the bike to be loud. I also don't want to go overboard and make my savage run like crap. There's no point in getting noticed and having a poorly running bike. IDEALLY I want a K&N tapered air filter, rejet, and a hard krome muffler, all tuned to make the Savage run well at all rpm and sound LOUD. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Scarlett on 08/23/10 at 10:29:44 230801120F0E600 wrote:
Wow - you can't be serious can you? Why stop there - let's have the feds outlaw ALL modifications or better yet, let's have them outlaw motorcycles entirely so that only you and your Vespa will be allowed on the roads. Since when did other bikers start drinking the kool-aid and start believing that our rights aren't as important as everyone else's? I'm willing to bet Charon that you're one of those people that thinks everyone else is too stupid to think and act for themselves and that the government should do everyone's thinking for them. Have fun being a sheep and screwing the rest of the herd...I hope you're the first one the shepard visits when he starts to get a little lonely. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by bill67 on 08/23/10 at 11:17:28 +1 you've got Charon figured out too. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Charon on 08/23/10 at 16:03:25 As a matter of fact, I am quite serious. In fact, I would go further. WILLFUL violation of the Federal noise LAWS would cause the machine to be impounded. You would not get a fix-it ticket - the bike would be impounded. You would not ride it away for repair - it would be towed. It could only be released to an authorized dealership for that brand, and could not be released from that dealership until it had been restored to a factory exhaust and emissions. To put it quite bluntly, you are WILLFULLY violating the law of the land. Your "right" to make obnoxious noise ends where my ears begin. Any more questions? |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by bill67 on 08/23/10 at 16:45:28 Yes my neighbors Pit bull barks and growls at me every time I mow my lawn.Its tight up put can just reach my lot line,Its new young neighbors that just moved in. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by kevinphan on 08/23/10 at 16:51:17 69424B5845442A0 wrote:
Law of the land? HAHA I didn't think there could be anyone this close minded especially on this forum but you have proved me wrong. You sound like a miserable old man who didn't get his meds. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/23/10 at 17:09:32 Charon clearly lives in the middle of nowhere, where the loudest sound heard is a bird chirping 5 miles away. I would agree with him that loud motorcycles are unnecessary in the middle of bumblecrappity smack. Here in central/northern NJ, there is much more noise, and what may seem like a loud motorcycle to you, is a standard one here. Drivers here are among the world's worst. I would rather pay a fine than get hit by a car that didn't see me, as I have been before. Location plays a main role in how loud a motorcycle should be. Live here for a while and you'll understand. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Charon on 08/23/10 at 17:54:00 So, what you are saying is that I am not entitled to an opinion, because it differs from yours. Or did I miss something? |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by BuckHMCC on 08/23/10 at 21:09:14 So the logic is that the louder and more chaotic the surroundings, the louder and more chaotic we have the right to be? If a loud pipe will indeed save my life, why shouldn't I take a hacksaw to my 4L Jeep's exhaust pipe? That will make some noise! And why shouldn't everyone else do the same? |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/23/10 at 21:15:16 0C272E3D20214F0 wrote:
ya call that a friendly opinion? |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by kevinphan on 08/23/10 at 21:18:30 192E3830131618185B0 wrote:
No one is holding a gun to your head and stopping you. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/23/10 at 21:29:29 072C25362B2A440 wrote:
nope, you are completely entitled to ur opinion, but we live in the greatest country in the world where we can differ from ur opinion and say it out loud through public channels. which goes back to the heart of the issue, not loud pipes, but on increasing government involvement in our lives and the gradual raping of our personal freedoms. put a frog in boiling water and it'll jump out immediately, put it in cold water and slowly bring to a boil and he will never know he is being cooked. every ounce of freedom u give up, every inch u give to them, they will take a mile. and before u even realize whats happened, you've replaced liberty with complacentcy and apathetic comfort. and while u think life is lukewarm, ur really being cooked alive. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/23/10 at 21:42:35 4572646C4F4A4444070 wrote:
A lot of people here have loud exhausts. I've seen a few STRAIGHT PIPED Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredos around here. I didn't say I have a "RIGHT" to be loud. I actually prefer a quieter exhaust. But if you want to ride where I'm from, you need to be noticed AUDIBLY. All other applicable forms are already found in cars around here (ex: 55watt HIDS). Pretty much the only way to separate yourself from the pack is to be loud. And you really should separate yourself because a motorcycle rider is at a greater danger than a car driver and therefore should be noticed more to avoid an accident. I also want to go over the top to send a message to those straight piped civics who think their ricer is the loudest and fastest car in the world. ;) I also never said you're not entitled to an opinion. Making up things like that is not cool. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/23/10 at 22:00:40 Regarding all this talk about "rights" and "laws," I wanted to post the actual law on motorcycle noise. http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/tra/rpt/2003-r-0676.htm Basically, your motorcycle has to be <84db going 36mph on a paved road. Also, FEDERAL law states no more than 80db at 2840rpm standing still (source: EPA label on my Savage XD). I believe that is measured 20 inches away from the tip of the muffler at a 45 degree angle, just like cars and trucks. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by jsarsfield on 08/24/10 at 06:30:28 6C62716E69776F6669070 wrote:
Law of the land? HAHA I didn't think there could be anyone this close minded especially on this forum but you have proved me wrong. You sound like a miserable old man who didn't get his meds.[/quote] +1 |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by BuckHMCC on 08/24/10 at 10:55:26 We live in a representative democracy. (If there's any 'raping of rights' going on it is far more by corporations who have their own perverted ideas of their proportion of representation than it is by our governments.) Now where do laws and rules come from in a representative democracy? They come from the will of the people. They do not materialize out of no where. There are laws at all governmental levels on vehicle noise generation. If there weren't I believe most of us would be a lot unhappier. Remember it's about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But here's the complicated part. It's not these three things just for you, it's these three things for everyone. Now just because you can get away with loud piping your motorcycle, and just because others are doing the same, it doesn't make what you are doing right. It doesn't make the law any less valid or the will of the people any less clear. Riding a motorcycle is a personal choice and one you should make in full awareness of substantial additional risks. You can improve your odds by wearing a helmet and bright colored protective clothing, using a headlight modulator, mounting a loud horn, and riding sober and smart (make sure intersections are clear, dont' tailgate, don't pass left-turning vehicles on the right, keep out of driver's blind spots, drive at the right speed for the conditions, go into turns slow and go out fast, etc. etc. etc.). These measures together make a loud pipe not only illegal, but unnecessary. P.S. I've got to admit this debate is more enjoyable than an Oil War or Seafoam thread. ;) |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by bill67 on 08/24/10 at 11:44:04 If you put enough Sea Foam in your gas there will be enough smoke coming out your tail pipe,Cars want come close they think your about ready to blow up. ;D |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/24/10 at 11:57:43 So I'm going down the road, completely stock bike just as I got it. Still relatively inexperienced, traveling down the superslab, left of center in the lane, heavy traffic about 30 mph. The guy next to me has ilegally tinted windows, ac on most likely. I would be eye to eye with the idiot if I could see him. Said idiot decides my lane is faster and procedes to cut over. This is not some urban myth you just read. But an actual account by a fellow savage. A month or two later, I get a supertrapp and it hasn't happened since. Burn has said he's been run off the road several times. He has also gotten a louder pipe with the same results. Now buck, you keep saying that a loud pipe is ilegal and unnecessary. And Charon, you say only stock noise levels should be allowed. I'm sure my ex would have appreciated all of the insurance money. Since these event happen with regular occurance with a stock pipe, and are now rare with a moderately louder pipe, I'm sure you can appreciate my opinion that quiet pipes reduce the awareness of the surrounding cagers. No brightly colored helmet or jacket will improve it, my helmet is yellow and red, my jacket is bright blue. My bike is red. And yet I can sit eye to eye with my neighbor and he won't see me. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Scarlett on 08/24/10 at 12:14:54 So are you truly naïve enough to believe that a representative democracy truly equates to the “will of the people”. Since when does a politician’s constituents have more say than the power-hungry lobbyists over how he or she votes? Our government is incredibly corrupt and yes, it is in part the corporations fault, but it is mostly the fault of the voters that allow it to happen time and time again. We give away our rights so freely because everyone thinks that more laws must be better for us and no one ever stops to think about what made this country so great in the first part. This country came to power because people were sick and tired of loosing their rights and personal freedoms. It’s bad enough when it happens due to a lack of representation – it is far worse however when it occurs specifically BECAUSE of your representation. Soon enough, it will be illegal to think for yourself, to voice dissent, or to attempt to defend you and your loved ones. At that point, you will have a representative dictatorship, rather than a representative democracy. It is a very slippery slope we’re on and it starts small, with a minor right infringed here, or a minor right completely taken away there, and it soon becomes just as Hashbrown described, that we’ll be boiling before we even realize we’re sitting in warm water. This goes far beyond who thinks what decibel is too loud for pipes, this is a direct reflection on an Americans right and ability to control their own lives without interference from government bureaucrats thinking they’re “here to help”, when in reality they are neutering the sentiments of independence that made this country great once. 0D3A2C2407020C0C4F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Scarlett on 08/24/10 at 12:16:20 372433322D2026242F70410 wrote:
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/24/10 at 12:28:10 407761694A4F4141020 wrote:
You are completely missing the point. No matter how good of a driver you are, you cannot control what others do. The only way is to make yourself noticed. That will have an impact on other drivers. The BEST way is audible noise because not everyone can see 360 degrees all the time (cagers who don't check their blind spot), but they can definitely hear all around. Scarlett, what is loud or soft to you is not loud and soft to everyone else. Everyone will never be happy. Politics and Government are irrelevant at best if a cop doesn't pull me over with my straight pipe. Yes, the feds are corrupt dbags, but I'm tired of hearing of it. People have been saying the same crap since government began. Either do something or don't mention it. Stop the 3 y.o. crying and complaining. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/24/10 at 12:45:38 just wanted to comment my experience today. i was driving my cage today since the weather was looking bad and was going to change lanes, checked my rear view and glanced at the side mirror and didnt see anything. was about to turn when i heard the low rumble of pipes approaching. i was in the slow lane and wanted to pass a car, the harley was behind me in my blind spot and i would have completely cut him off possibly runing him off the road if it werent for his pipes. he had short cut pipes that were loud but on the highway i didnt hear it untill he was right in my zone. this was the first time i was on the giving end of a potential disaster involving a motorcycle and i thought of this post immediately after it happened i wasnt annoid with him or the sound, and i thanked my lucky stars that he had pipes that i could hear. Believe me as a driver of a car on occation, i would much rather be temporarily annoyed with a loud pipe then have to suffer the lifelong guilt of killing someone. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Scarlett on 08/24/10 at 12:47:57 4744444D484F4B544F4A58210 wrote:
If you're tired of hearing it, then feel free to continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore the problem. I choose to stand up for my rights and voice my opinions when I see an injustice. Explain to me how a well thought out argument and rebuttal can be construed as a 3 year old's crying and complaining. By your logic, our forefathers must have been the biggest babies around, huh? As to your first paragraph - I have no idea what you were trying to say as your comprehension of grammar and sentence structure is distinctly lacking. Were I to attempt to understand it, it sounds like you are actually in agreement with me because I am absolutely AGAINST laws that would restrict the decibel level of exhaust pipes. So I suggest you read my posts a little more carefully before shooting off a poorly thought-out, ill-defined, “crying and complaining” post of your own. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by bill67 on 08/24/10 at 12:51:00 I don't know about drivers in other states but around here I have driven with quiet pipes and pipes a little louder and loud pipes and I could never see any difference.If you drive normal cars do see you. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/24/10 at 13:16:28 142426352B223333470 wrote:
If you're tired of hearing it, then feel free to continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore the problem. I choose to stand up for my rights and voice my opinions when I see an injustice. Explain to me how a well thought out argument and rebuttal can be construed as a 3 year old's crying and complaining. By your logic, our forefathers must have been the biggest babies around, huh? As to your first paragraph - I have no idea what you were trying to say as your comprehension of grammar and sentence structure is distinctly lacking. Were I to attempt to understand it, it sounds like you are actually in agreement with me because I am absolutely AGAINST laws that would restrict the decibel level of exhaust pipes. So I suggest you read my posts a little more carefully before shooting off a poorly thought-out, ill-defined, “crying and complaining” post of your own. [/quote] And what the result of "voicing your opinions?" ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! That's my point, if you failed to see it earlier (hence the 3 y.o. remark). Our forefathers DID things, and not talked about doing them, as you are. I have full respect for them. Excuse me, I missed a comma (,) between "best" and "if." Other than that, my sentence has perfect grammar. You miss much more than I do anyway, but I digress. And yes, I am also against laws restricting the loudness of motorcycles. I'm glad you caught on. I wouldn't be posting this thread if I wasn't against them. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/24/10 at 13:18:12 747F7A7A2021160 wrote:
That's exactly my point. Where you live, loud pipes are not necessary. Where I live, everyone has them. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Hashbrown on 08/24/10 at 13:28:36 so back to the originally topic, what pipes are you gonna get junky |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/24/10 at 13:35:59 Hard Krome from Lancer most likely. Not totally straight pipe to make my engine run badly, but just just barely enough to provide the backpressure necessary. It'll be pretty much just as loud as a straight pipe. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Scarlett on 08/24/10 at 15:22:37 2526262F2A2D29362D283A430 wrote:
So your thought-process tells you that anyone that chooses to voice their opinion about the government is a 3 year old? How exactly did you come to that conclusion? Furthermore, how is it that you feel that someone voicing an opinion on this forum isn't also backing up those opinions with deeds and actions out in the "real" world? I'm a combat veteran, boy - that means I've done FAR more to back up my words and opinions than the majority of the people here, including yourself, I would imagine. So I recommend you watch who you try to chastise for talking instead of taking action, before you end up looking even more like an ignorant ass. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/24/10 at 17:11:26 1C2C2E3D232A3B3B4F0 wrote:
My "thought-process" tells you that anyone that chooses to voice their opinion about the government and do nothing else is like a 3 year old. Now if you do back up your opinions with deeds and actions in the real world, it's a totally different story. You hadn't mentioned that before. The vast majority of people do nothing but complain, which is why I assumed and thought you were one of them. Example: Even though I didn't vote, I don't think Barak Obama should have been elected for presidency. That is not necessarily what I believe or promote. I'm just giving an example. As a result, I rarely complain and moan. Instead of saying "people should drive better and look where they turn so they see me," I say "I will MAKE them notice me by replacing my exhaust." Thanks for understanding. No hard feelings. :beer: |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Scarlett on 08/24/10 at 18:30:57 0605050C090E0A150E0B19600 wrote:
I can live with that. [smiley=beer.gif] |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Bubba on 08/25/10 at 08:21:42 Someone mentioned Denver as having sound laws on bikes. I live in Denver, everyone is running loud everything (cars, speakers, bikes, lawn mowers). I like to go to the mountains for peace and quiet (but even in the middle of nowhere you hear the jets overhead) but I run loud pipes here in town. I think I heard somewhere (my MSF instructor?) that it was reversed because the Police bikes actually failed the testing... ;D |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Scarlett on 08/25/10 at 08:29:25 5C6B7C7C7F2F2E262D1E0 wrote:
Those laws are hard to enforce because the police don't have the training or equipment to test for it out on the streets, so yeah, while it may sound loud to them, they can't prove that it breaks the law. I run straight Vance and Hines on my VTX 1800 with the baffles removed and have never had a problem - and that's after bike trips from NH down to PA, FL, and Montreal. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by james may on 08/25/10 at 12:23:46 In MA I think it's illegal to have a bike louder than 105db and a car louder than 99db or something like that.. they give bikes a small bit more wiggle room, but it's still gotta be pretty quiet.. I measured my bike with a dinky iphone app and it maxed out at 125db. There was a new law that allowed cops to just say it's loud and give you a ticket so they don't need to prove it. "everything's illegal in massachusettes"-edge of darkness |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/25/10 at 18:06:01 45445F544345484154310 wrote:
How did you measure it? The closer you put the meter, the louder the sound will be (obviously). The angle at which you place the meter, relative to the end of the exhaust, plays a very important role in sound intensity as well. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by james may on 08/25/10 at 18:09:12 2A292920252226392227354C0 wrote:
How did you measure it? The closer you put the meter, the louder the sound will be (obviously). The angle at which you place the meter, relative to the end of the exhaust, plays a very important role in sound intensity as well.[/quote] turned on the app and dropped the phone 15ft away from the bike then revved it up.. I can set off car alarms with my bike.. I bet the stock exhaust would exceed 150db if you put your ear right up to it.. the noise generated by ear buds right in your ears is enough to deafen you, but 2ft away you can't even hear it. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/10 at 18:17:15 the article I read said 80 db from 50ft from centerline while going 35 mph was the federal standard. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/25/10 at 19:43:27 22312627383533313A65540 wrote:
You got it! 80 db on grass road, 83 or 86 db on flat pavement I believe. 50 ft from centerline is a big difference in sound than 50ft from behind the bike as well. Try measuring it from the side and you'll be within a more normal range. I would not doubt 150db if you put your ear right up the the exhaust, but that can't be practically done when the bike is moving, which is why the standard is 50ft. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/10 at 19:45:14 2122222B2E292D32292C3E470 wrote:
You got it! 80 db on grass road, 83 or 86 db on flat pavement I believe. 50 ft from centerline is a big difference in sound than 50ft from behind the bike as well. Try measuring it from the side and you'll be within a more normal range. I would not doubt 150db if you put your ear right up the the exhaust, but that can't be practically done when the bike is moving, which is why the standard is 50ft. [/quote] What? the technician worried about getting run over? I think its 50ft cause it's the typical distance from the centerline of road to house. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by feelinjunky on 08/25/10 at 21:45:38 6B786F6E717C7A78732C1D0 wrote:
You got it! 80 db on grass road, 83 or 86 db on flat pavement I believe. 50 ft from centerline is a big difference in sound than 50ft from behind the bike as well. Try measuring it from the side and you'll be within a more normal range. I would not doubt 150db if you put your ear right up the the exhaust, but that can't be practically done when the bike is moving, which is why the standard is 50ft. [/quote] What? the technician worried about getting run over? I think its 50ft cause it's the typical distance from the centerline of road to house.[/quote] Well, I was thinking along these lines...why would anyone ever have their head right next to the pipe when the bike is moving? There's no practical reason in having measuring standards from a distance of zero. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Ruddy on 08/31/10 at 11:29:02 6940524943534E564F210 wrote:
If you adjust your mirrors properly, you won't have blind spots. You should have to tilt your head to the left almost to the side window to see the side of your car. On the right, you should have to turn your head to see the side of the car. I can see a car (or bike) coming up from behind in the left in the rear view mirror and immediately pick it up in the side mirror as it begins to disappear from the rear view mirror. Same thing on the right side. Try it. BTW, you should adjust your bike mirrors so you can see who's overtaking you--not just your sleeves! |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by ralfyguy on 09/01/10 at 16:04:14 Coming from Europe (Germany) I am sometimes simply shocked what cops in the US are allowed to do. I sometimes hear stories about what they did and CAN do, that it reminds me more on Communism than anything else. Besides for the fact that they usually are on the prowl in their cruisers alone by themselves, that anything done like that wouldn't stand up in a german court. They require TWO officers in a patrol car any time they're on duty. In my town here in Oklahoma, whenever there's a wreck or something, no matter what the person at fault did wrong, it still remains at the discretion of the police officer to issue a citation! That is nothing but a bad joke! |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by MrBrownTX on 06/22/11 at 16:34:33 Hahahahahaha I saw this thread and thought, allright a six page discussion on straight pipes this is going to be alot of good info... It turns out it was just a long unwinable argument. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Jwag11 on 06/22/17 at 14:52:37 Is straight piping a good idea I'm on a low budget |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Eegore on 06/22/17 at 15:06:47 4F7264623434050 wrote:
No idea. Definitely cheaper in parts, but from what I've been told on here I can not tune a carb with a straight pipe. I might start a thread on that specific topic. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Serowbot on 06/22/17 at 16:40:26 If your setting off car alarms, you're too loud... That gives us all a bad name... Muffle that suckker... |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Dave on 06/23/17 at 02:35:11 No, an open straight pipe is not a good idea...it is too loud and it causes a sag in the mid range performance. The engine runs smoother and provides more "usable" power with a baffled pipe - as most riding is done in the rpm range where the sag occurs. Most of the articles on this subject are Harley related - but they do apply to the Savage. Here is the applicable statement from a Harley tuning Guru: And Do Not install straight, open pipes, especially long ones. If you do, forget everything I've said. Straight open exhaust-equipped engines run poorly in the 2,000- to 3,500-rpm range and no amount of carb tuning can fix that. http://forums.cycleworld.com/showthread.php?t=34784 And here is an applicable YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjKUKhHQLHg [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjKUKhHQLHg[/media] |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by SALB on 06/23/17 at 09:28:16 526F797F2929180 wrote:
If you're on a budget, check out the Dyna/Sportster conversion in the tech section. You can pick those up for under $40 if you're lucky. ;) |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/23/17 at 09:48:16 Usually a Good Idea gets figured out and others follow. Since just about everyone wants the same thing, good performance for less money, and a straight pipe IS the least Money, Then wouldn't it logically Follow that A It's been tried And B It wasn't a great answer. Or, That would be the norm? You MIGHT reinvent the wheel and find the Right diameter and length that works, but the Quick, Cheap, Easy answer is Stick a Dyna muffler on it. |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by Ruttly on 06/23/17 at 19:00:19 Save yourself all that typing , you know he is going to straight pipe it. You buy them books and you buy them books and what do they do ? They eat the pages !!! |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by batman on 06/23/17 at 21:35:23 Ruttly ,maybe he's Hungarian! ::) |
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Title: Re: Straight Pipe a Stock Savage Post by SoC on 06/25/17 at 08:47:00 Jwag11, If you do a little research on line there is a good article on Nightrider.com discussing "Making Drag Pipes Work" it will explain a lot. If it's a little intense go to the S&S sight and there is are very imformative videos featuring Bruce Tessmer on You Tube. Start with "Carb Jetting and Troubleshooting" and then watch the other 2 he mentions. |
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