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Message started by relic624k on 08/04/10 at 12:18:28

Title: Tube or tubeless
Post by relic624k on 08/04/10 at 12:18:28

ok i am having a very difficult time trying to find a rear tire tire for my s40. the pirelli mt66 dont specify if a tube is required and the dunlop 404 as well help fellow riders ant websites you guys recommend?

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by jsarsfield on 08/04/10 at 12:34:20

Usually if a motorcycle wheel has wire spokes then a tube is required due to the fact that the wheel isn't sealed ... Any tire that will fit your wheel will work tubeless or not but you will still need a tube unless you seal that wheel up first.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by babyhog on 08/04/10 at 12:36:03

If you have the stock wheels (with spokes), you will need a tube. I just got a D404 Dunlop and it is tubed.

I use DennisKirk.com website, because I've bought from them before and I'm familiar with their searches, but when I was researching, I made a spreadsheet for comparison using Dennis Kirk, Tires Unlimited, Bike Bandit (alot of people here love them), and Jake Wilson Tires. I'm sure that Dennis Kirk notes whether a tube can be used or not.
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/tpl/tire/product.jsp?skuId=&store=&catId=&productId=p542538&leafCatId=&mmyId=

I ended up buying from a local service shop.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by verslagen1 on 08/04/10 at 13:41:33

Most all tubeless tires can be used with a tube.

Your wheel requires a tube.

Both the D404 and mt66 has been used by us with tubes.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by Routy on 08/04/10 at 15:45:12

A tubless tire w/ a tube in it runs somewhat hotter temps !
So,.....who cares, unless you're dumb enough to load a tire to max in scorching hot weather. I like tubes in everything,.....except maybe cars. Tubes hold air longer IMO.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by jsarsfield on 08/04/10 at 16:12:40

707F657E626477757D7364160 wrote:

Tubes hold air longer IMO.

Maybe true ... But with a tubed tire in the event of a blow out the air is gonna leave the tire much faster than a tubeless that might result in you going down.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by jef.savage on 08/05/10 at 07:45:19

A couple of possibilities for going tubeless. The first one also talks about the dark side but you could certainly use the sealing method and stick with an mc tire.
http://www.digitalworkshop.us/bike/Tubeless_DS.pdf

This got a good review in Motorcyclist (I think, I read a couple different mags) They appear to be aimed at dirt bikes but they do make a size that would fit our front wheels.
http://www.tubliss.com/

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by Routy on 08/05/10 at 18:27:45

During a "blowout", tube or tubless, how can air leave a tire any slower than "instantly" ?
Not to ask how a tube tire would loose air slower than a tubless, in even a slower leak situation.

6970627170656A666F67030 wrote:

[quote author=707F657E626477757D7364160 link=1280949508/0#4 date=1280961912]Tubes hold air longer IMO.

Maybe true ... But with a tubed tire in the event of a blow out the air is gonna leave the tire much faster than a tubeless that might result in you going down.
[/quote]

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by Wolfman on 08/05/10 at 21:14:43

Buy the tire you want that fits and stick a tube in it! Pirelli mt66, dunlop 404, Duro ect.
Your not going to be able to heat the thing up enough to matter on a savage Unless you do burnouts.
As to blowouts a TUBED tire if anything will release air slower and go flat slower then a tubeless in all but a catastophic blowout(read BIG hole). Then youve humped the pooch either way...lol
A punctured tube will release air into the tire itself which then has to release the air out the punctureing hole and/or the spoke holes. Slow Leak.

Your primary concerns are weight load, speed index, width and height as well as size.(15/19 in)
Dont sweat a tube in a tubeless tire.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by serenity3743 on 08/06/10 at 05:11:07

True, you need a tube in the tire if you're putting it on the stock Savage/S40 wheel. One advantage to tubeless tires (mounted tubeless on a non-spoke rim) is that a puncture which will cause an instant flat or blow-out in a tube may only cause a slow leak in a tubeless tire, allowing you to not be stranded on the side of the road. A tubeless tire can also be effectively plugged without taking the tire and wheel off the bike.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by Charon on 08/06/10 at 07:03:05

I have always been told to use some sort of powder lubricant when installing a tube in a tire. I was originally told to use baby powder (talcum powder). The powder is supposed to reduce friction between the tire and tube and thus reduce chafing and heat. Last time, when I put a new tire on the S40, I used a hefty squirt of powdered graphite. I have no idea whether it really works, but figure it can do little harm.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by babyhog on 08/06/10 at 07:17:23

426960736E6F010 wrote:

Would that not cause the rubber to dry out faster?? Honest question, as I have no idea.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by Charon on 08/06/10 at 07:34:49

I never even thought about that, but I don't see why it would. I don't use much powder, to start with. I just put a couple of shakes of powder (or a squirt of graphite since I bought a squirt bottle of it) in the tire, then wipe it around the inside of the tire with a rag or my hand. When I have taken tire/tube assemblies apart after many years, there has been no sign I could detect of any drying or stiffness of the rubber.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by jsarsfield on 08/06/10 at 08:17:46

Charon is correct ... When installing a tube in a tire you should always talc the tire ... Baby powder is perfect even though tire talc is sold.

http://www.worldclasscycles.com/rema_tire_talc.htm

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by bill67 on 08/06/10 at 08:35:23

I've change a lot of tube tires never used anything,Back when I was young all cars had tubes in them I never saw a garage use any kind of powder.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by jsarsfield on 08/06/10 at 09:22:58

Thats not surprising to me bill when you were a kid the wheels were made of wood ;D All jokes aside try it next time it really does work and apparently lets the tube run at a cooler temp but I've always done it just for the ease of removal.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by babyhog on 08/06/10 at 10:17:31

746D7F6C6D78777B727A1E0 wrote:

So you've used it on motorcycles too? I can see it with a bicycle, because I believe bicycle tubes are maybe changed more often? The guy in the link you provided appeared to be a bicyclist.

Title: Re: Tube or tubeless
Post by jsarsfield on 08/06/10 at 10:28:16

393A3B36342E570 wrote:

[quote author=746D7F6C6D78777B727A1E0 link=1280949508/15#15 date=1281111778]Thats not surprising to me bill when you were a kid the wheels were made of wood ;D All jokes aside try it next time it really does work and apparently lets the tube run at a cooler temp but I've always done it just for the ease of removal.

So you've used it on motorcycles too? I can see it with a bicycle, because I believe bicycle tubes are maybe changed more often? The guy in the link you provided appeared to be a bicyclist. [/quote]

Yes I have used it on all tire changes involving tubes. Think about it this way. Whenever you buy a new tire tube notice the white powder coating it? Also have you ever had to put on an old style wetsuit same thing talcum powder is slippery stuff.