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Title: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 11:34:02 IF, well, when, we go to war against them, how will that impact our lives? Will we see changes? If so, any ideas where? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 12:04:33 What? No ideas? No guesses? You mean you dont think theyd pluug the straits & jack the price of oil ito the stratosphere? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Stimpy on 07/26/10 at 12:45:18 ...many thoughts on subject, few solid opinions, everything is movig too fast, disinformation ministry working overtime...but look at a map, study it a while and see how iran is truly the last one left. all while folks everywhere are still hypnotized by virtual farms, vampires on tv, jesus-like basketball players and of course miss pretty-in-orange lohan; we're doomed. But boy! what a hell of a news Monday today was!! thank god not only the gulf is leaking. (wikileaks) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYEUX5RprFw[/media] http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/26/article-1297644-0A93D2A0000005DC-290_306x461.jpg Army intelligence expert Bradley Manning, 22, downloaded and leaked hundreds of thousands of sensitive official documents. * No10 says 'We lament any leaks' as White House slams breach * UK Security Minister fears British soldiers are now at greater risk * But Wikileaks says: Don't shoot the messenger * Documents reveal British forces killed 16 Afghan children 'in error' * Special forces 'black' squads hunt Taliban leaders * French soldiers shot at a bus full of schoolchildren * Polish troops killed wedding party in mortar attack * Taliban target aircraft with deadly heat-seeking missiles All relevent link leaks here http://sites.google.com/site/newsforumsandblogs/ Closing 2010 with a big bang. (The great european depression of 2010 and beyond) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXV_o4Dr-4c[/media] lookie lookie - The icing in the cake. (and yes, it could be fake... but what if it's not?!) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2800/obamakenyanbconqc.jpg |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 12:57:33 all while folks everywhere are still hypnotized by virtual farms, vampires on tv, jesus-like basketball players and of course miss pretty-in-orange lohan; we're doomed Their attention has been diverted from what matters to things that do not matter at all. Weve become a shallow society. Its COOL to be "in the know' on these matters of moronic material, but to be educated in areas that matter makes one a "Tin Foil Hat" wearing freak. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Stimpy on 07/26/10 at 13:10:26 ...speaking of which I still have to make a hat for my dog! thanks for reminding me ;) http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3172/signsfoilhatthumb550x37.jpg |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Serowbot on 07/26/10 at 14:06:55 Quote:
This was certified total bu!!sh!t ages ago.... Try Snopes... http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/rerun/7c5a5f3dd87cd3c7d82a6d91b9a9c4c9.jpg?t=1280178880 ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Stimpy on 07/26/10 at 14:20:48 oops, guess i missed that one, looked real cause of the dead bug on it, so Hawaii it is then! ;) |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/26/10 at 17:05:17 the official language of Kenya is Swalhili, odd that an official document like a birth cirtificate is in English. The official language of the United States is English,and the last time I checked Hawaii is part of the US. PS English being the official language you would think it would be spoken properly,? Oh well practice practice ,you will get it soon,another 100 years or so. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by LostArtist on 07/26/10 at 21:25:53 does the U.S. have an "official" language?? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by BurnPgh on 07/26/10 at 21:35:56 The US does NOT have an official language, though there have been attempts to set one. Way back when, german imigrants were so numerous and the language so widespread that there was initiative to make German the official US language. If there were an official language the government wouldnt have to be printing english on one side of documents and spanish on the other. And I dont have anything against immigrants illegal or legal so long as you arent here to make trouble, but seriously...speak f***ing english. We conduct business in english in 9 out of 10 cases. When I went to mexico i was expected to speak spanish. People got irritated when I said something poorly or my vocabulary was lacking. If you want to be accepted by a new society do as the f***ing romans do or you arent going to be taken seriously. Rant over. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/27/10 at 01:04:04 2017100C32050A620 wrote:
+ 1 |
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Title: Why? Post by Stimpy on 07/27/10 at 01:58:13 ...cause there is no money in peace. And in peace we would all have to share, that's why. http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998-by-isao-hashimoto/ 1945-1998 by Isao Hashimoto - Multimedia artwork (short video). This piece of work is a bird's eye view of the history by scaling down a month length of time into one sec. No letter is used for equal messaging to all viewers without language barrier. The blinking light, sound and the numbers on the world map show when, where and how many experiments each country have conducted. I created this work for the means of an interface to the people who are yet to know of the extremely grave, but present problem of the world. 2053 is the number of nuclear explosions conducted in various parts of the globe until 1998." http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4296/startednucleartestingea.jpg |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/27/10 at 02:22:15 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
Ok Justin I have a great idea, You must be placed in the US military,you have preached for a long time how we should be conducting the war. There is nothing that "I can act,except the the fact that |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/10 at 02:34:55 you have preached for a long time how we should be conducting the war Huhh? I have? I think youre hallucinating, again. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/27/10 at 03:02:45 off all my seasons that i have midded |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mpescatori on 07/27/10 at 05:09:41 Hats off to whomever has hijacked this thread from Iran to Obama... Hey ? :-/ where's Webstermark ? How can I provide my slanted, pro-Muslim European view if he isn't here to shoot me ? ::) ;) |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Phelonius on 07/27/10 at 10:25:26 All wars are political. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Serowbot on 07/27/10 at 10:28:59 Quote:
Daya' think?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/28/10 at 00:37:33 0C1104120200150E1308610 wrote:
you can always have a go at your favorite athiest, Mick |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by forrest on 07/28/10 at 17:51:28 193E23273A334A0 wrote:
Now that is funny. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/10 at 22:34:56 You guys dont think we'll be at war with Iran? Youre kidding, right? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by LostArtist on 07/28/10 at 22:42:30 is there another bush running for office??? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/10 at 00:45:11 No, LA, thers not, But that wont stop Obama from going in.I expect it this year. I hope Im wrong, BUT,, the question was. IF ,When we DO go in What changes will it make in our lives. Gasoline will be over 5 bucks a galon, be my first guess.. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by WebsterMark on 07/29/10 at 12:46:58 Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries) (Thousand Barrels per Day) Country May-10 Apr-10 YTD 2010 May-09 YTD 2009 CANADA 2,527 2,486 2,523 2,206 2,395 MEXICO 1,428 1,276 1,249 1,186 1,292 VENEZUELA 1,109 950 1,008 1,341 1,168 SAUDI ARABIA 1,097 1,257 1,075 1,079 1,109 NIGERIA 1,026 1,125 1,013 600 649 RUSSIA 719 587 538 813 649 ALGERIA 518 464 480 272 489 |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by bill67 on 07/29/10 at 13:19:05 Web they don't count the oil we steal from Iraq. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by WebsterMark on 07/29/10 at 13:55:33 assuming we are stealing oil from Iraq, which we are not, it wouldn't amount to much. For example, all the oil that's really leaked into the gulf hasn't changed the supply/demand curve for oil. Which, by the way, argues AGAINST drilling in Alaska's Anwar. It isn't likely to bring much oil. Now, off shore, shale deposits are a different matter. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/29/10 at 23:34:43 44677B7C497A7C617B7C080 wrote:
there might be Sarah Palin,the Alaska hooker,ew perish the thought. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/29/10 at 23:39:14 162423323524330C20332A410 wrote:
if this is the top 15 country's some one needs a math lesson.My goodness it's webster again,him and JOG go to the same school. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 07/29/10 at 23:48:03 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:
What in the he11 difference does it make to you ? you are so unstable you could not get in the army if you tried,"Uncle Sam,he needs you boy" get your white ass down to the recruting office pronto. I would go in for you but at 73 they might not take me.I can still shoot the balls off a frozen monkey at 300 yards. I have actually had monkeys thank me for being of service,I tell ya it's not easy being humble. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by WebsterMark on 07/30/10 at 05:32:23 Mick, the bottom half of the list don't add up to much. Point is, 'the worst disaster in the history of the planet' as some fool on here wrote a while back, did not affect the price of gas in the least bit. It wasn't a significant spill and the damage was minimal. in a couple years, all traces will be gone. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/30/10 at 08:50:01 What in the he11 difference does it make to you ? Seriously? SeeingAmerica go to ( another) unreasonable, unnecessary, wrong headed war shouldnt matter to me? Im starting to see why we agree on so little. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mpescatori on 08/03/10 at 03:37:09 4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but in these last 5000 years of recorded history, nobody successfully invaded Persia. The Babylonians never did, nr did the Egyptians, the Hittites, the Romans, the Mongols, the Arabs... Alexander the Great's "drive through" lasted a mere decade and a half, and after his death the General who inherited that part of his Satrapies became a "Persian" himself (just like General Ptolemy became Pharaoh of "Greek Egypt", and Cleopatra was the last Queen) The Turkish Empiire spanned from Costantinople (whoops, they call it Istanbul !) to Egypt and beyond, including all of Mesopotamia, but never got beyond the Euphrates into Iran. Don't mess with Iran, guys, just leave them alone. Ahmedinejad is a mortal, he'll die one day... 8-) |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by bill67 on 08/03/10 at 04:26:28 I agree don't mess with Iran or any other country or someday we will go down like Germany. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/03/10 at 04:53:03 All this blather about whatwas said, the same people who brought us the lies that lead to Nam, Iraq, & Afghanistan, want DESperately to bring lies sufficient to Manufacture Consent for War in Iran. He didnt SAY wipe Israel off the map, any more than I propose wiping America off the map. HE was saying that while the REGIMEexists in Israel that is hateful & violent, there will be no peace, JUSTAsI have said, that while the regime in DC exists that wants to screw US, we will have less & less freedom. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527 TRust the mainstream media for your info that you use to create your opinions, & continue to be played, justas our grandparents & parents did. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by bill67 on 08/03/10 at 06:24:55 Israel is the problem with the world and they run the USA,I say wipe Israel off the map and the whole world will be a better place. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Starlifter on 08/03/10 at 07:50:06 Quote: "The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now — with somebody — and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives. It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy. Osama bin Laden may be a primitive “figurehead” — or even dead, for all we know — but whoever put those All-American jet planes loaded with All-American fuel into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon did it with chilling precision and accuracy. The second one was a dead-on bullseye. Straight into the middle of the skyscraper. We are going to punish somebody for this attack, but just who or what will be blown to smithereens for it is hard to say. Maybe Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan or Iraq, or possibly all three at once. Who knows? Not even the Generals in what remains of the Pentagon or the New York papers calling for WAR seem to know who did it or where to look for them. This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed — for anyone, and certainly not for anyone as baffled as George W. Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child-President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it Now. He will declare a National Security Emergency and clamp down Hard on Everybody, no matter where they live or why. If the guilty won’t hold up their hands and confess, he and the Generals will ferret them out by force." (And later after shock and awe.) "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world--a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us...No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you. Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us." - Hunter S. Thompson ...wow, love him or hate him his is an opinion sure to fire you up one way or another. :o |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/03/10 at 08:38:22 Anyone who believes Ahmadinejad saidto wipe Israel off the map needs to read the link I left. Its short & easy. Its shows the lies.. It SHOWS the lies.. goread it or believe the BS thats been used forever to l;ead the people into wars, |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by WebsterMark on 08/03/10 at 21:10:10 Hunter Thompson is (I'm sorry, was) a freaking moron and idiot. Big freaking deal, he smoked dope and hated George Bush. He didn't say anything original. Honestly, no one with a brain believes "we would rather kill than live peacefully". what nonsense........ Grow freaking up people....... |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/10 at 03:19:18 The People would rather be in peace, but those who make the $$$ from the wars ,, well, theydrather see us send our children off to war. NOTE, The LIES, the LIES, Mark, read thatarticle. If therewerent some powerful people pul;ling strings, the LIESwould have been made very public. As is, once peoples mind is made up, they dont want to change. Show them the facts & they dont care, theyve already decided Ahmadenijad iscrazy & no amount of truth will change their minds. IUll bet you cant even change yours. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Starlifter on 08/04/10 at 08:04:17 You can't change what you don't have. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by tldk1678 on 08/04/10 at 14:26:41 Just to be clear Justin, you feel that Ahmadinejad wants to live in peace with Israel? He is not shipping arms to Hamas? Hamas also wants to live in peace with Israel and is in no way the aggressor their conflict? We should not support Israel, our longstanding major ally in the middle east? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/10 at 17:56:26 Ahhh, twisting, turning, & trying to put words in my mouth, He said what he said & He DIDNT say what he didnt say. NOT trying to take the country to fire& ash is one thing, working to ELIMINATE THE REGIME is another, now isnt it? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by WebsterMark on 08/04/10 at 19:32:46 Justin; are you in danger of falling into the useful idiot trap? Do you see how someone would take your stance as defending this man? Is there any difference in this than when some fool touts Cuba's "heathcare". Has this man done anything to deserve the benefit of the doubt? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by tldk1678 on 08/04/10 at 21:13:35 Justin - read this post and please tell me if it is possible that the same Persian phrase can be interpreted to be "wiped off the map" vs "vanish from the pages of time". http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html?ex=1307678400&en=efa2bd266224e880&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss If you were in Israel, would you feel threatened if Iran under Amadenijad had nuclear weapons? |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/10 at 21:36:51 Ifya just INSIST on removing the references to the other regimes he talked about & take the CONTEXT away, then I guess a guy could interpret it that way, BUT, it would require wanting to do it that way, as opposed to understanding it in the CONTEXT in which it was said. IOW, yea, sure, IF youre just wanting to be intellectually dishonest. Mark, I have no agenda, I nly want the truth, Im nit for against anyone, I just dont want people smeared by lies. Ifhes a bad guy, lets see it, but lets not LIE about him, okay? Did you know that it is impossible to win, IF one cheats? Yes, the score may indicate a win in ones column, but the deffinition of the word WIN requires one to vanquish ones opponent & do so inside the rules, So, playhard, but play fair. Lets dont twist words & lie in order to justify our positions. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 08/04/10 at 22:00:57 As most of my post's start nowdays,:Way back when I remember as I was painting my centurian tank a nice biege,ready for dessert warfare. Before we all got shipped out the war was over "the suez crises" thanks to her majesty's "Royal Marines" who took care of business in two weeks. During that time my tank commander who was from Poland and served in WW11 as a fighter pilot, but seargents could no longer fly aircraft,it had to be officers. We were all sitting around having a drink and enjoying a smoke during an exercise.,one thing led to another and one statement Sgt Stawicki made I have never forgotten,he said the war to end all wars will involve Israel and Persia, Egypt, and that reagion in general.and it will be all about oil.This was in 1957. He said you can take that to the bank. He never did say when this was going to happen,your guess is as good as mine. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Stimpy on 08/05/10 at 06:00:00 to everyone: Please re-read orwells 1984. http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2220/iraqiranpeaceantiwarodo.jpg |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/10 at 06:06:12 & it will be based on lies. The American people gettreated as IF theyre that stupid by the politicians, because we are. The majority havent a clue & get their "news" off aTV or newspaper, instead of the alternative sources. How many even bothered to read the shortarticle I posted the link for that shows Ahmadenijad was misquoted? How many of the people who get their info they use to form their opinions from mainstream media even have the opportunity to see what a lie that crap was? Just like they stirred up fear before Iraq, theyll stir up fear over the dangers of Iran & a mushroom cloud again. & the sheeple will buy into it. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Starlifter on 08/05/10 at 08:00:37 Yup. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by bill67 on 08/05/10 at 08:13:13 How many times did we hear WMD before we bombed Iraq,Many times,I think they call that brainwashing. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Starlifter on 08/05/10 at 08:40:55 END THIS FARCE. Bring ALL the troops home just as fast as you can arrange transport. Any other path is criminal and murderous. We need to stop funding this clusterf*ck and LEAVE NOW. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Starlifter on 08/05/10 at 09:17:36 We do this every time. build up sociopathic "allies" then go fight them when they become a problem. We make our own boogeymen and yes it's intentional. They want to keep war profiteering and the military industrial complex chugging along. That includes Saddam, the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. We supported the Taliban and OBL during the '80s when they were fighting the Soviets, then Saddam when he was fighting the Iranians. This is total INSANITY.. and it only costs us $436 Million a day..... We HAVE to stand up to these insane politicians sooner or later...they are Psychopaths. How anyone with a head on their shoulders could possibly support this occupation is completly beyond my understsnding. Jeeez, we have babies dying and people homeless and starving and we're supposedly worried about womens rights and schools in a country 6 thousand miles away. I'm flumoxed, that is the best word I could use. Totally flumoxed at the fact we don't have people rioting in the streets. It is absurd with the way they have violated human rights in their wars, they actually expect us to believe they were doing it to protect human rights. They think we are really really stupid. And I guess we are...or something... Apparently we are so stupid or apathetic that they can even pass billions in legislation for wars every couple of months at the exact same time they are discussing cutting people's social security, unemployment etc. If we stayed in Afghanistan 5,000 years it wouldn't make any difference. The day we left everything would return to the pre-war days. We cannot change a culture filled with tribes and corruption. We can't even make our own country an honest place. BORROWED MILLIONS SQUANDERED DAY IN, DAY OUT ON THIS TRAGIC FARCE. Nine years of occupation, 5000 American troops dead, and what do we have to show for it? Two corrupt puppet governments and a bankrupted treasury. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by Starlifter on 08/05/10 at 09:27:10 Oh my name it ain't nothin' My age it means less The country I come from Is called the Midwest I was taught and brought up there The laws to abide And that land that I live in Has God on its side. Oh the history books tell it They tell it so well The cavalries charged The Indians fell The cavalries charged The Indians died Oh the country was young With God on its side. The Spanish-American War had its day And the Civil War too Was soon laid away And the names of the heroes I's made to memorise With guns in their hands And God on their side. The First World War, boys It came and it went The reason for fighting I never did get But I learned to accept it Accept it with pride For you don't count the dead When God's on your side. The Second World War Came to an end We forgave the Germans And then we were friends Though they murdered six million In the ovens they fried The Germans now too Have God on their side. I've learned to hate the Russians All through my whole life If another war comes It's them we must fight To hate them and fear them To run and to hide And accept it all bravely With God on my side. But now we got weapons Of chemical dust If fire them we're forced to Then fire them we must One push of the button And a shot the world wide And you never ask questions When God's on your side. Through a many dark hour I've been thinkin' about this That Jesus Christ Was betrayed by a kiss But I can't think for you You'll have to decide Whether Judas Iscariot Had God on his side. So now as I'm leavin' I'm weary as hell The confusion I'm feelin' Ain't no tongue can tell The words fill my head And fall to the floor That if God's on our side He'll stop the next war. ~ Bob Dylan |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 08/05/10 at 13:29:42 good one Star,shame there is no god. |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by bill67 on 08/05/10 at 13:49:18 If their is no god who made mosquitoes and cockroaches? :-/ |
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Title: Re: War with Iran. Could be somewhat political. Post by mick on 08/05/10 at 21:43:55 707B7E7E2425120 wrote:
if you were a god Bill would you make mosquitoes and cockroaches ? If so Why ? |
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