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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Which one? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1279888567 Message started by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 05:36:06 |
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Title: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 05:36:06 All baffled, I dont want to rejet. Which would you choose and why? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by prechermike on 07/23/10 at 05:39:45 Why? Free, easy and avaliable. I relly didn't like the look of the big stock pipe. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 05:50:49 I dont really like the stock pipe either, looks heavy and pretty small hole back there, sounds pretty restricted. I think more power can be heard from a muffler than the stock one. I can get the HD ones for around 50-60 bucks. Drag pipe is new and a little more but I want to hear stories before I make a decision. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Charon on 07/23/10 at 06:03:54 You really should have put the option for leaving it stock in the poll. Some don't like extra noise. Some prefer to just ride instead of messing with the bike. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by prechermike on 07/23/10 at 06:12:10 7D565F4C51503E0 wrote:
I agree, many are still running the stock pipe and like that just fine. I did not go with the dnya for more noise and I did not get much more, I liked the look better. But there are many who like stock. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 06:14:54 Stock pipe is no longer an option for me, those 3 are the ones I cant decide on. I do ride as much as I can and in between rides, I mess with the bike. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 06:20:24 All those are baffled, I realize that I probably wont get more noise and that's not really what I am after or I would get one bored out. I picked baffled mufflers because I dont want to have to rejet and I like the look. Not saying there's anything wrong with the stock pipe but as a matter of preference, look, sound, I'd like to replace it. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by bill67 on 07/23/10 at 06:50:28 Stock for me |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Routy on 07/23/10 at 06:58:32 No matter what a poll says, don't mean it would be the best decission for you. I know it wouldn't for me. We all have our own thoughts on everything,....and a poll proves it. Me,...I wanted a touch more noise, and less restriction ;) http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2010/03/14/bikepics-1926789-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by youzguyz on 07/23/10 at 06:59:24 HD Sportster Got the bike that way, and it is set up OK. Blew the baffles out on 2 of them already, but got them free. Just go to your local HD dealer, schmooze with the techs and ask if they have any "take off" mufflers laying around that you can have or buy cheap. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. OR, if you have HD riding friends, they may have saved their old mufflers when they upgraded. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 07:00:53 I see there is no right answer :) You guys making it even more difficult. Another thing, I want to wrap my headers with exhaust tape, who has done it? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 07:11:18 4E415B405C5A494B434D5A280 wrote:
So drilling worked for you, darn, a 4th option... |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 07:12:55 7D6B717E63717D7E040 wrote:
Yea, I can get the real HD screaming eagle used on eBay for $50. Is that too much? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/10 at 07:26:55 IDK about the dyna being less restrictive than stock, not sure of your year model & which jets came stock, but, I know the later models came out of the factory running pretty lean & any less restrictive muffler is gonna need a rejet, but, its not hard, really. My choice for looks is the Dyna. I think its the best looking muffler out there that will slip right on. I went with the Supertrapp, b/c its tuneable. Fewer disks = more restriction. With 4 or 5 disks, it'd be like the stock muffler. But its a pricey dude. Depending on what year model/factory jets you have, the Dyna may not need a rejet. The stock muffler IS a heavy thing & not at all attractive to my eye. If youre getting really good mileage & not suffering from a bunch of loud backfires, stock may be the smart option. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 07:36:31 Good info, I'm leaning toward some eBay seller who has an older HD Screamin Eagle, wants $50 for it. It seems it will slip on easy but the Dyna is probably the easiest conversion for roughly the same price. I have a bone stock 96. With stock muffler, mileage is good and not much backfiring which I actually dont mind, just the big poof when I shut off is always there, flame on... :) |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by buttgoat1 on 07/23/10 at 09:52:20 I got a S E turnout and had to modify the muffler bracket. It seems that the Dyna is basically a direct matchup to the stock bracket location. how are your fab skills? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 09:58:17 Well, I can use a drill but I dont have any welding equipment. I think the eBay sellers of both the SE and the Dyna included instructions. But I have the same feeling like the SE will require some drilling as where the Dyna is a straight fit. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Rockin_John on 07/23/10 at 10:26:57 I chose Dyna out of the choices you had available; but you really didn't give yourself enough options. I have a Dyna on one Savage, and a Sportster muffler on another. The Sportster muffler is quieter than the Dyna and only required about a 1/4 turn out on the idle jet screw to get the bike to run smooth after the swap. Also, you don't have to pay the $50+ dollars the eBay money makers are wanting for the stock take-off pipes. With patience you can pick one up for $10-$20 even on eBay from an honest individual who isn't marking up for a big profit. Just be sure and get a pipe that doesn't have the crossover outlet. Now for personal preference, I like the louder sound of the Dyna muffler on another bike better, but it did require some tuning of the needle and its spacer to get a richer mix across a wider power band. The Sportster pipe was by far the easiest setup; and only barely louder than the stock pipe. The stock pipe really is pretty good, but I just didn't like the extra weight it added; otherwise I would have just left them on. However, for best overall sound and performance; I really love the Supertrapp on my bagger Savage. Beautiful sounding pipe without being obnoxiously loud. It also performs excellently, even though it isn't the best looking pipe in my opinion. John http://www.catoosatrading.com/Motorcycles_for_sale.html |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 10:57:18 I looked into the supertrapp, it seems nice but $419, darn... http://www.supertrapp.com/product_sections/detail.asp?ItemID=728-50650 |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/10 at 11:06:43 YIKES! Its gone UP. I think I gave about 300, which wasnt like buying a malt & a burger, but Im glad I got it. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 11:10:37 Exactly, which is why I am looking at my other options. BlueCollar has the drag pipe and tape for $155, but I hear bad things about drag pipe and loss of power. Although theirs is the long baffled one so it may just look like a drag pipe and perform just like a street one. What you guys think of this: http://bluecollarbobbers.com/web/Suzuki-Savage-S40/Suzuki-Savage-Drag-Pipe-Exhaust.html |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/10 at 13:22:52 If I wasnt wanting to jet it or spend a ton, Id go with a Dyna. If you dont like it, you arent in a lot of $$$ or time & you can try something else, but if you go with something that costs a lot, then youre kinda skrude if you dont like it. If the dyna means ya need a rejet, then so what? Its not a big deal, really. Its a one beer job, unless ya drink one while draggin out the tools, then its a 2 beer job, unless you need one more while ya put the tools up,, then its a 3 beer job! Just lay hands on a hand held impact before stepping into it & a smart guy would get some Never Sieze & a JIS screwdriver tip to go in the impact. Talk to digger about where to get those tips, I cant 'member..sorry. You could look it up, tho & not bug the guy,, |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by groupus on 07/23/10 at 13:28:24 i've got this muffler, not sure what it is, but i got it at a swap meet for $20. some sort of harley aftermarket for probably a dyna. bolts right on (though should have a reduction collar on the header), sounds great, gets lots of complements, straight through but with a scoop baffle for good back pressure. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs049.ash2/35790_596576174760_35905377_34571909_1835865_n.jpg wrapped the pipe too. cheapest i could find off ebay, 30 ft but used about half that. sanded and sprayed the header w/ bbq paint first to protect from rust. i also have a stock dyna muffler (i think) that i might sell. bolts don't quite line up so would need to make a simple extension. nothing a saw and drill couldn't do |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/23/10 at 15:05:59 Beautiful bike, that's the route I want to go with mine. I may go with the Dyna for ease, so I shouldnt spend more than say $40 on it? As far as the tape goes, do you I have to spray the chrome headers before wrapping? I dont have a sander here so it'd be a time consuming job to sand by hand (a many beers job)... |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by bill67 on 07/23/10 at 15:19:06 The advantages of the stock muffler more low end power the extra weight is down low so lowers the center of gravity and balances the weight of the pulleys and belt on the other side. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by prsavage on 07/23/10 at 19:38:30 Currently I have a stock one drilled out like the pic Routy posted. Plans are for a Raask drag pipe, one piece if I can get it, and to rejet, recarb and a lot of other re and re. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Routy on 07/23/10 at 19:59:10 I always wondered why 1/2 the Sav s40's are going down the road lopsided. I never noticed that they all have one thing in common,.....a muffler mod ! :o ;) 7A7174742E2F180 wrote:
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Hashbrown on 07/23/10 at 23:36:26 hey arnold. i was fortunate to get a supertrapp with the 95 savage i recently purchased which was a deal maker for me. sorry to rub it in ;) i am in the process of bobbing it out and got the seat conversion kit from BCB. their product looks fantastic and is worth every penny if you are going to make it look nice. i just got the seat kit with the licence frame rather then the whole set but im sure if their pipe is as good quality as the rest of their stuff your getting a quality product. also remember when your wrapping the pipe that you do from exhaust to head rather then the other way around to prevent dirt from getting in the folds |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/24/10 at 04:32:54 Good to know, I've always read from heads down with the tape. Makes sense though. Still havent bought any muffler yet. I'm thinking though :) Make sure to post a picture of your bike in progress. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/24/10 at 09:38:25 Well, I just bought those screamin eagle, http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4824263760_e9d45c750d.jpg 15' of black exhaust wrap, high temp black silicone spray and hose clamps. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by BurnPgh on 07/24/10 at 09:42:13 The bike's are lean from the factory. If you get any less restrictive muffler you ought to rejet. I choose Screaming eagle becuase thats what Ive got off ebay for $20. Works great and/but its loud. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/24/10 at 09:59:26 Yea, I am wary that I may have to rejet, hopefully I am capable of doing that myself :) I know there are step by step info on it out there. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by verslagen1 on 07/24/10 at 10:06:33 not hard at all if you are capable of turning a wrench or screwdriver. don't even have to remove the carb, although a little easier if you can the 1st time. As the screws are a bear to get loose. but i've gripped them with a vice grip popped them off and replaced them with allen head screws. get a set of jets from lancer and a mirror and you're good to go |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/24/10 at 10:16:33 I'm hoping no rejet needed, the muffler still has the baffle in. I may just bring it to the shop if I cant get it right though. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by BuckHMCC on 07/24/10 at 11:15:53 Stock, unmolested, in compliance with Federal/state/local laws, and friendly to my neighbors. It must make some noise as pedestrians/bicyclists ahead of me often turn to look. Or maybe the noise is so different to what they normally hear -- not many thumpers on the road around here. Lots of the Rolling Thunder crowd. Anyways, I wear earplugs, and I don't rely on what noise I make to make me more visible, safer. If you're running a loud pipe, you're adding to the bad feelings against motorcyclists. Take a look at http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.php for example. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/24/10 at 11:18:29 I noticed the pilot screw on the carb is exposed and does not have the plug on it, must have been adjusted by the previous owner. Stock right now does not backfire, only pops once when I shut off. I may try giving it a 1/4 turn if it starts backfiring too much. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/24/10 at 11:43:47 It will definitely be slightly louder but it's not even nearly as bad as some I've heard going by me. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 00:09:40 7F687D68756F6A1A0 wrote:
can you PLEASE tell me about your seat and fender set up and tell me how i can do the same!! |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 00:14:29 51445F5C5C55445542300 wrote:
the hardest part about rejetting is pulling the carb but in some cases you dont even have to do that. just loosen up the flanges that connect it to the engine and airbox and turn the bottom towards you. unscrew the bottom (float bowl) and the pilot and main jet are right there for the pickin. i pulled mine off and took it to a nearby super cool shop where the guy matched a jet for me one size bigger. i am NOT a mechanic but getting to know your bike like this will save you soooo much money and it's fun. just careful not to strip screwa on that carb. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 00:18:45 1A2D3B3310151B1B580 wrote:
"The intense sound caused by loud motorcycles easily triggers an involuntary stress response commonly known as "flight or flight." This results in the secretion of adrenaline, with ensuing spikes in cardio-respiratory rates, muscle tension, and elevated blood pressure. "...from your website...sounds like fun to me ;D |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 00:25:57 anyway...right now i run a dyna that i haven't seen anyone else runnning and i don't really like the sound. it's definently lower and louder but it doesnt expose as much of that single cylinder engine as i want it to. I am thinking about the BCB drag pipe as well but i havent heard from anyone that has one so i am a little skeptical as to it's performance. and like i said earlier, i am looking forward to a rejet. it takes very little time and makes you feel like you know what going on under your...um....butt...down there where the fuel meets the air. ;D http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2010%5C04%5C24%5Cbikepics-1959586-800.jpg i am working on bobbing this bike |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 00:31:07 5661777F5C595757140 wrote:
sorry i had to get this one in here too in case someone didnt visit your link......."Do not approach or attempt to reason with motorcycle riders." |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by LANCER on 07/25/10 at 03:10:42 for a stock engine with stock carb the dyna is very inexpensive, sounds good and will perform better than anything else you can put on it. you can find literally hundreds of them on ebay for as low as $25/pair + shp don't pay $50 for just one unless it looks brand new and you like the guy and just want to get it from him. drag pipes are notoriously loud and harsh sounding unless baffled, which helps the sound a bit, but they rob the engine of power and are difficult to tune well if at all. I have only seen one bike with a drag pipe that was tuned well and he was an engineer with superior bike wrenching skills and had a shop dyno to work with I |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/25/10 at 05:25:12 That's exactly the same info that kept me from getting the BCB drag pipe although it is baffled and they claim no rejetting is needed (I emailed them). By the way they responded quickly to my email which indicate possible good customer support :) RTC, are those the rear turn signals from BCB? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 08:37:25 65706B686861706176040 wrote:
no the signals are from ebay... somthin like $12. i got the idea from babyhog |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/25/10 at 14:16:27 I guess you're gonna move them to chop the fender at some point? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 14:36:07 65706B686861706176040 wrote:
they were pretty much a temporary fix. i prob won't use them when i remove the stock fender. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/25/10 at 14:44:29 You mean no rear fender at all? Is it legal in TX to drive with no turn signals? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 07/25/10 at 20:56:09 no, i mean put on a trailer fender or something similar and hopefully some smaller lights. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by LANCER on 07/26/10 at 02:56:01 http://images1f.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp937%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E639%3E697%3EWSNRCG%3D32%3B74%3A%3A3%3C%3B339nu0mrj This is a Revolution Air R&D muffler core ... it was tested several years back by a company on the west coast |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/26/10 at 14:21:29 Where's the battery? |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/26/10 at 18:49:02 Anyways, got the mufflers today, next day shipping. I can see it will require some drilling and hammering, a weekend job, shouldnt be too bad. I'll take a picture when I get it on. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by grandpa on 07/26/10 at 19:14:10 I did the dyna because I got them free from a friend who bought a new dyna just after I got my suzi. Got the whole header set-up with two muffs. I did rejet and do the spacer mod. Big difference on feel with out being overly loud. Next to no effect on gas mileage. Hacked up the straight part of the dyna heat shield to make a suitable heat shield over the weld joint. Looks factory if you didn't know better. Was 14,000 miles ago and all is well. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/29/10 at 18:06:07 Ok, new muffler is on, now I know why they call that one "Screamin" Eagle, louder than I expected, sound is awesome though. Wrapped the header pipe and sprayed high temp silicone on it. Had to do some extra work to get it attached, some drilling of the muffler mount, etc... but it's on good and tight now. Picture will follow soon... |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by racerwill on 07/29/10 at 20:13:01 I'd go with the Screamin' Eagle over the Dyna because it sounds just a little better..... I wouldn't touch drag pipes...... both the SE and Dyna are quiet but produce a nice note when on the throttle......the SE just has a little more muscle in it's voice Ww |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/30/10 at 05:20:02 I just gotta make a youtube video of that. Maybe over the weekend. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 07/30/10 at 07:59:13 Ok, here's a picture from the parking lot at work, obviously I am real busy today :) http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/4843897916_4ba59dd973.jpg And now, on to the next project, picking up a spring seat. But I already found one from none other than our forum member Max. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by RTC on 08/01/10 at 13:52:25 got the BCB drag pipe installed. it has a mild baffle and produces a great sound although i havent been able to take it on the road yet. we'll see how it performs. |
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Title: Re: Which one? Post by Arnold on 08/01/10 at 17:36:33 Put a picture up. I'm thinking of getting their drag handle bar, $126, or I can get one on eBay for half that but theirs is longer, comes with risers and old school grips. Again, faced with a dilemma. |
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