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Message started by Routy on 07/16/10 at 08:06:42

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Routy on 07/16/10 at 08:06:42

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I've been recording my oil temps and usage over the past couple of weeks
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Curious,
do you expect to be any worthwhile temp difference between oils, except between regular ond synthetic ?

And can your temps mean anything w/o the ambient temp along w/ it?

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Oldfeller on 07/16/10 at 08:21:32

Wall is ambient (his IR laser temp gun doesn't measure air)

I think he is baselining his existing oil, not knowing what is going to show or not show as significant when he changes oils.

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Check me on this, unless you wick well over 70 mph, you get no significant oil consumption at all with T6?

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Oldfeller on 07/16/10 at 09:09:54

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Rotella_T6.jpg

The delta values between the wall (ambient) and the filter temp (general oil temperature) and the head (maximum engine temperature) should be of some informational significance and should be able to be taken at any reasonable temperature range and can be compared between the oils and might tell us something as long as the test method remains consistent.

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by bill67 on 07/16/10 at 09:10:51

The outside temperature does make a difference.Thats only common sense

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Oldfeller on 07/16/10 at 09:15:03

Outside temp is reflected in "wall"
(as outside temp goes up wall goes up)

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by bill67 on 07/16/10 at 09:34:35

what wall

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Oldfeller on 07/16/10 at 11:56:18

If you change your test method, are you going to retake all your baseline data points?

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by bill67 on 07/16/10 at 12:47:12

76796378646271737B7562100 wrote:

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by dinsdale on 07/16/10 at 12:54:53

32393C3C6667500 wrote:

what wall

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temperature measure with an HF ir meter, 4" away, wall of the house as ref, oil filter cover, head at the cam shaft cover.

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Hashbrown on 07/16/10 at 14:02:50

Thanks a bunch Vers for being the guinee pig for this experiment, i freakin love listening to you guys talk shop about this when i have no clue about half the stuff your saying...
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Quote: Further explaination of oil burn off last year comes from desperate need to turn up the 6/80 A/C (6 vents needing 80 to be effective). This year I have a new holy jacket to improve the A/C system to 999/30. :-?
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so to piece this together, are you looking for the Oil that results in the lowest engine temp, ie the least amount burned off? And is Rotella your benchmark since its your preferred brand of Oil?

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Oldfeller on 07/16/10 at 16:52:58

No, it's jest to make Bill feel all kinda gitchy and nervous .....

..... them super duper magic oils that have zero wear don't like them 'ol nasty facty thangs all that much.

Numbers, deltas, averages, consistent methods

Aieeeee !! THE FACTS are coming out of the woodwork !!

Hang in there Bill,

.... soon you will be all justified completely and VICTORIOUS FOREVER !!

Klotz ..... Klotz ..... Klotz ..... Klotz ..... Klotz ..... Klotz .....

Goooooooo Klotz !!!

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by bill67 on 07/16/10 at 17:43:34

1E3D3537343D3D3423510 wrote:

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by bill67 on 07/16/10 at 18:51:59

Is big daddy talking,Your first post was BS

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by bill67 on 07/16/10 at 19:00:15

Big daddy Vergy removed his last post. It was silly

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Charon on 07/18/10 at 11:42:20

I think the idea of measuring the oil temperature above ambient is a good one. I think I would try to measure ambient somewhere on the bike, such as the steering head behind the triple tree instead of a wall. That way I could measure the differences wherever I was instead of only at home. For that matter, an ordinary thermometer attached to the bike somewhere could be used as a reference.

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by verslagen1 on 07/18/10 at 12:37:49

I was looking for a ref that was as close to air temp as possible.
A shaded wall was convenient. A sun struct point on the bike will be above air temp. But will look for similar temps on the bike.

Thanks for the constructive crit.

Also, I've found some DIY oil test procedures. Will post when fully eval'd.

Title: Re: oil facts, NO BS!
Post by Charon on 07/18/10 at 13:50:44

My thought on using a spot on the bike was that airflow over the bike would have it pretty much at ambient, given that the temperature was checked shortly after stopping. For example, it could be checked at a gas stop under the awning often found over fuel pumps. That's why I suggested the steering head, as being in the airflow but not in the heated airflow behind the engine. The master cylinder might be another suitable spot. As you say, a little experimenting is in order.