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Message started by Digger on 07/14/10 at 14:41:23

Title: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/14/10 at 14:41:23

I’m not even sure a tool like this exists. If it DOES exist, I have no idea what it is named, so Goggle is no help here.

I guess what I’m looking for would look something like this:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/Garage/ToolQuestionE.jpg

The top view is from the side of the tool and the bottom view is from the front of the tool.

I have a bolt that needs to be torqued to 130 ft-lbs (using a ½” drive six-point impact socket), which puts it outside the “sweet spot” of my 0-150 lb. torque wrench. Since the torque value is so high, I’m leery of using any of the standard torque adapters I have in my garage.....I’d probably break something.

So, I’d like to use a tool like the one I depicted above to attach to the end of my torque wrench to use as a torque multiplier.

Some of you will tell me not to worry and to go ahead and use my 0–150 ft-lb torque wrench to go to the 130 ft-lbs. I will do that if I can’t find the tool I need.

I guess another option would be to pop for a proper sized torque wrench. If anyone knows of a simple beam-type torque wrench that is rated for 200 ft-lbs or above, please sing out.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Routy on 07/14/10 at 15:43:53

Have a welder ?
I would weld a socket onto one end of a flat bar..round bar..rebar or pipe, and the same size nut on the other.

12" long will cut your torque in 1/2 ??
We call that a cheater pipe ;)

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/14/10 at 15:48:34

6A657F64787E6D6F67697E0C0 wrote:

Have a welder ?
I would weld a socket onto one end of a flat bar..round bar..rebar or pipe, and the same size nut on the other.

12" long will cut your torque in 1/2 ??
We call that a cheater pipe ;)

Sadly, the whole welding thing represents a gaping hole in my capabilities as a man.

Thanks, though!

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by prechermike on 07/14/10 at 16:00:37

416C62626077050 wrote:

[quote author=6A657F64787E6D6F67697E0C0 link=1279143683/0#1 date=1279147433]Have a welder ?
I would weld a socket onto one end of a flat bar..round bar..rebar or pipe, and the same size nut on the other.

12" long will cut your torque in 1/2 ??
We call that a cheater pipe ;)

Sadly, the whole welding thing represents a gaping hole in my capabilities as a man.

Thanks, though![/quote]

Digger,
I am shocked and devastated . . I cannot imagine any gapping holes in your capabilities! ;)

Routy had a good idea and I am sure you can find someone to do it for you. I have a friend here that can, I am sure. I needed a ridiculously large wrench (two actually) for the jamb nuts on the back axle of my honda ATV and he cut me out a couple from steel. They are nothing too look at, but for the job they are perfect. In fact, others have come to get them for the exact job.

I am sure you can find someone there to make you something. If nothing else, I will check with my friend here for you.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Serowbot on 07/14/10 at 17:17:22

If it were me,... 130lbs,...
I'd just crank it down as hard as I could...

...but, just for fun,... I chained these pieces together...
If you muffler clamped the sliding-T to the breaker bar?
12 point/16mm socket seemed to fit the 1/2 male on the torque wrench best for some reason...
Too flexy?... :-?... Too just plain hokie?... ;D...
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/hhhh0yty.jpg?t=1279152435

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by ero4444 on 07/14/10 at 18:00:05

a used torque multiplier is probably still more expensive than a new big-ass beam torque wrench. But they are neato

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by verslagen1 on 07/14/10 at 18:38:32

293E23787878784C0 wrote:

a used torque multiplier is probably still more expensive than a new big-ass beam torque wrench. But they are neato

yeah that's what i'd say it is, although search doesn't bring it up.

but here's a big ass torque wrench...
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200357804_200357804

here's what you want, a torque wrench extension...
http://www.norbar.com/Calculators/TorqueWrenchExtensionCalculator/tabid/70/Default.aspx

this one show's you how to make, but unfortunately you don't weld...
http://www.freeinfostuff.com/TorqueExtension/TorqueExtension.htm

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/14/10 at 18:39:35

434156505B56415E5A5856330 wrote:

[quote author=416C62626077050 link=1279143683/0#2 date=1279147714][quote author=6A657F64787E6D6F67697E0C0 link=1279143683/0#1 date=1279147433]Have a welder ?
I would weld a socket onto one end of a flat bar..round bar..rebar or pipe, and the same size nut on the other.

12" long will cut your torque in 1/2 ??
We call that a cheater pipe ;)

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/14/10 at 18:40:47

6F796E736B7E73681C0 wrote:

Interesting....I might fool around with something like that!

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/14/10 at 18:50:00

4F5C4B4A55585E5C5708390 wrote:

[quote author=293E23787878784C0 link=1279143683/0#5 date=1279155605]a used torque multiplier is probably still more expensive than a new big-ass beam torque wrench. But they are neato

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by verslagen1 on 07/14/10 at 19:05:31

it looks like you could use a double box wrench

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by bill67 on 07/14/10 at 19:25:10

I would torque it to 100 pounds and guess at a 1/3 more.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Serowbot on 07/14/10 at 20:10:24

Found this, but it's only rated for 90ft lbs...

MOTION PRO® ADJUSTABLE TORQUE WRENCH ADAPTER... $54.95
http://www.ccrsport.com/motion-pro%C3%82%C2%AE-adjustable-torque-wrench-adapter-p-35.html
http://www.ccrsport.com/bmz_cache/9/9174fb1c36fcea240f69d39e55f73143.image.225x161.jpg

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by JohnBoy on 07/14/10 at 20:47:44

Digger that looks like a tool in the bag that shuttle crew left floating in space?

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/14/10 at 22:09:04

Thanks for your ideas, everyone. All of this discussion and learning has given me an idea:

How about I get a 13" long piece of 3/8" thick, 1 1/2" wide steel bar? Drill a 1/2" hole on each end. File both round holes to 1/2" square holes. Get a 1 1/2" long piece of 1/2" square solid steel rod. Use this as the square drive on one end of the steel bar, so I can put a socket on it. Use the 1/2" square hole on the other end of the steel bar to accept the drive square of my torque wrench.

Actually, I'd make one of the 1/2" square holes a bit small, so there would be a good interference fit for the piece of 1/2" square solid steel rod I'd be using as a drive square.

Spears?

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/10 at 23:45:47

A fella like you could most likely hit the shop teacher up at the local high school. I bet those kids would be happy to whoop you up something. A few NASA decals & such would probably get it going.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/15/10 at 19:01:33

58757B7B796E1C0 wrote:

Decided to go this route.

Spent a grand total of $4.90 (cash only, please) to get these two parts:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/Garage/TorqueExtenderPartsE.jpg

There is a 15" long piece of 3/8" X 1 1/2" steel bar and a 1 1/2" long piece of 1/2" square steel rod.

Now, I just need to figure out how to get the two 1/2" square holes into the two ends of the bar.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by james may on 07/15/10 at 19:21:03

If ya have a welder you don't need to cut any square holes.. just weld the sqaure bar onto the end of the bar.. For the other end drill a hole and put a bolt throught it with a fairly large size 3/4 maybe? and either tighten it on good with a nut or weld that on too.. now you can torque the bar with your wrench having a 3/4 socket on it and put whatever socket you want on the other end. or you can put a 1/2 drill hole in it and try to file it out or use a small jigsaw or hacksaw or rasp of some kind to get the desired shape.. time consuming difficult and probably not a perfect square.. machine shop with a water jet or lazer cutter could probably cut out a decent square too..

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/15/10 at 21:27:17

383922293E38353C294C0 wrote:

James,

Thanks for the suggestions, but.....why do y'all have to keep reminding me that I don't know how to weld? :-[ :-[ :-[

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Trippah on 07/16/10 at 19:46:55

Summer school extension "night life class" in the neighborhood? They might enjoy such a task.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/10 at 05:55:23

Digger, man, why donchya start lookin around for a used welder, do some innerneck homework on whatever you find & see if that unit is decent. My Harbor Freight has given me a load of hassles, but since last time I had it apart, its welding a lot better. IDK Why..but IM diggin it. Run some 220 & set up a long cord from the breaker to the outlet to plug the welder into. Then, if you add a welder, you can just plug in & still be able to weld outside the shop, Id explain on the phone, too much typing.
Little stuff like this tool is where to start5. No school needed, theres enough info out there to get a guy "off the ground" or to "Launch" a new hobby..
Im just not shy about stuff like this & I wouldnt think twice about walkng up to a welder & telling him what I was trying to do & offer top pay him some, be his helper for a day or 2 & maybe even pay him a bit, just to show me how to set up a torch & how to drag a bead & let me practice some,,

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by james may on 07/17/10 at 16:03:38

All you need is the welder to practice on to learn with. Welding is like using superglue there's about as much skill needed as is needed to glue a broken mug back together.(welding is usually stronger than superglue though when putting two pieces of metal together)

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by verslagen1 on 07/17/10 at 16:25:11

Still doing promotional tours?
cut and file your square holes.
Then take it with you and ask a favor.

or take it to a muffler shop.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Tanker2Biker on 07/17/10 at 18:04:36

[quote author=5D707E7E7C6B190 link=1279143683/15#18 date=1279254437]
Thanks for the suggestions, but.....why do y'all have to keep reminding me that I don't know how to weld? :-[ :-[ :-[/quote]

I learned (Barely & poorly) how to weld in the Army(it was not part of my MOS!) but I don't want to buy the gear.

When I need small jobs welded, I usually go to my mechanic. I've been using him for about 15 years, and we're on pretty good terms, so if I have a small job, he let's his guys do it for me for a couple bucks or a 6-pack. It's worked OK so far. He welded the brackets I made for my driver backrest, and lent me the pipe bender I used when I made my saddle bag brackets.

Title: Re: I Need Your Help Finding a Tool
Post by Digger on 07/23/10 at 20:13:00

I gave up on the idea of using the 1/2" steel rod for a drive square. A smart guy on my ST forum pointed out that that piece would probably twist under big torque loads.....sounded reasonable to me.

I decided to go with this plan:

http://www.freeinfostuff.com/TorqueExtension/TorqueExtension.htm

Thanks, Verslagen, for turning me on to that web site! [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]

I like how it ended up (I painted it gold because that was the only can of RUST-OLEUM I had at the house):

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/Garage/TorqueExtenderTorqueWrenchE.jpg

Jerry, the owner of Hinrichsen & Son Welding (near Circle and Platte in Colorado Springs) did a very nice job with the welding and his cost was certainly fair. I would recommend him to anyone in this area who has small jobs to do....he welcomes small jobs and is an interesting fella to talk to.

A look at both sides of each end:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/Garage/TorqueExtender-Male1E.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/Garage/TorqueExtender-Male2E.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/Garage/TorqueExtender-Female1E.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/Garage/TorqueExtender-Female2E.jpg

As you can see, the welds are stout.

All told, I've got twenty bucks tied up in this 1/2" drive torque extender, including the gold paint. It measures about 13 15/32" center to center between the drives. It turns my 0-150 ft-lb torque wrench into a 0-270 ft-lb torque wrench.

I'm pleased.

Thanks all, for your help and ideas!