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Title: How much seafoam Post by rl153 on 06/10/10 at 15:06:47 It says on the can ad 1 oz per gallon .People here seem to reccomend 1 oz per tankful which is less than 1/2 that .Can adding to much seafom to your gas cause a problem ? How often should you add it? Also ,is it a good idea to add marvel mystery oil to the gas once in a while ,and how much? Thanks |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/10/10 at 15:07:46 I drop a few ounces of diesel in mine once in a while, like months abart. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/10/10 at 17:13:27 4C4556494E4511121919200 wrote:
If its the first time put 2 in after that 1 should do,,sea foam has oil in it.I put it in about every 2 months. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by Charon on 06/10/10 at 17:36:53 I suggest, before you use either product, you find out what is really in them. Using your favorite search engine, type in the name of the product and the letters "MSDS." MSDS stands for "Material Safety Data Sheet" and it will tell you what is really in the product. You might have to root around a little. You will probably find that there is nothing useful in any additive. I don't remember the exact search term I used, but I found an interesting Department of Defense booklet saying the Army does not authorize the use of ANY oil or fuel additive, because they don't work. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/10/10 at 19:14:18 Charon when is the last time you tried Sea Foam |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by Charon on 06/11/10 at 05:46:52 Tell me, Bill, why I should put an additive of doubtful value into a machine which already runs just fine? How is it going to improve something that already works? Ever work the math? Seafoam costs about nine bucks for a pint, over fifty cents an ounce. Used at the recommended ounce per gallon, it raises the fuel cost over fifty cents per gallon. That's pretty expensive for a mixture of oil, naptha, and isopropyl alcohol. Until I see some truly controlled testing of Seafoam I will continue to believe it is snake oil. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 05:50:34 Charon you think your bike runs fine,Put some Sea Foam in it and you will see what running fine is like. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by Charon on 06/11/10 at 06:06:05 Many years ago, before the Internet existed, a British bike magazine ran some tests of additives. They strapped a bike to a dynamometer (a real load dyno, not a Dynajet) and ran it up to full power. They then, with the machine running and making no other changes, poured various additives into the fuel tank. None made any difference in the power output, within the limits of their measuring systems. Bear in mind this was back in the Sixties, and I cannot remember what additives they tested. If you care to fund a repeat of that test and are willing to publish the results, feel free to do so and then to astound me with the amazing improvement wrought by Seafoam. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 06:13:27 Sea Foam isn't a fuel thats going to give you more horsepower,Its going to get your jets clean and keep your carb slide running smooth,so it reacts quicker.So you will always be getting max horsepower out of it at any speed. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by weracerc on 06/11/10 at 06:19:08 I am a believer in Sea Foam - my bike was bought a month ago used 1996 had been setting for over a year - was sluggish - i drained the old gas put in new high octane and 1/4 can (4oz) of Seam foam - i put the sea foam in first before the gas and set the petcock to prime so the sea foam would be the first fluid in the carb - i let it set over night - the next day when i cranked it it actually idoled and did not die off it did not have any more hesitation - i just put the second tank of gas in it yesterday and added 2-3 oz sea foam - will continue this until the bottle of sea foam is used up......it cleaned my gunky carb and allowed me to ride without having to re-build the carb.....don't tell me this stuff does not work - i know first hand it does. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by Charon on 06/11/10 at 06:38:18 Mark Twain said it best - "Faith is believin' somethin' you know ain't so." There are a lot of people with a lot of faith in Seafoam. As far as I know, no one has actually devised a test proving whether it does or does not work when added to fuel. That specifically includes its manufacturer. Seafoam's website says it slowly and gently cleans fuel system parts and intake valves. But that is just what the Federally mandated detergent package in gasoline is supposed to do, so one cannot isolate the effect of Seafoam from the effect of the detergent in the fuel. The Department of Defense pamphlet I found earlier says the military will approve fuel additives only if the manufacturer provides testing showing results of fuel with and fuel without the additive. The tests have to be repeatable, because a one-time test may be a fluke. It appears none of the additive makers have troubled themselves to do so, and with a fuel market as large as DoD they would sell a lot of additive - if the additives could be proven to work. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 09:23:24 Like Mark Twain said"Faith is believin somethin you know ain't so,Charon you believe Sea Foam doesn't work,You have faith in that. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by earlytimz on 06/11/10 at 09:27:41 Charon, you have made several valid points & I agree there's no magic fix in a bottle... Period. Adding Seafoam to a perfectly fine engine will not produce more power. It's not gonna fix a burnt valve or a spun bearing either. It may clean and lubricate some, but is that really necessary? Maybe not, but a lot of folks believe in it. Adding Seafoam is basically multiplying the amount of detergent that's already in gasoline. No, it's not a fix-all, but I can see where it may have a place when reviving an older engine. Weracerc took advantage of the extra detergent by cleaning out a neglected carb. Much like soaking it in solvent, only the lazy man's way (no offense Wera... it worked!). I like the fact that you backed up your decision to not use Seafoam with data from the DoD, even if the DoD isn't always known for making the best decisions. Having said that, I wanna share that my father was a mechanic in the army in the 60's & continued as a mechanic until he died 8 years ago. Although it was not "official army procedure" to use additives, he occasionally would dump a cheap bottle of isopropyl alcohol ($.99 rubbing alcohol) into a fuel tank to help clean a neglected carb or injectors. Alcohol also attracts water, so it will help dry out any moisture from condensation or bad gas. An old trick he said he learned in the army. So I dunno, that was an opinion based on 40 some-odd years of experience. I say... If you like it, use it. If not, don't... |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 09:36:35 No one has ever said Sea Foam produced more power. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by earlytimz on 06/11/10 at 10:45:19 Bill, did you read the whole post this time? Or was it too long for you again?? Try adding something constructive to a post every now and then. Back it up with real life experiences, or hard data. I didn't state anyone had ever claimed it produced more power, did I? You did say it will ensure "you will always be getting max horsepower out of it at any speed". Now see, I find that claim very interesting... Would you like to share your dyno sheets, or how about a reply of more than 2 sentences of bullsh!t??? Something with some substance this time, please... We already know your opinion. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 10:52:25 When your carb is clean and slide working smooth you will get max power,If jets dirty and slide sticking you want get max power.It is really pretty simple. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by earlytimz on 06/11/10 at 10:52:31 2D26232379784F0 wrote:
I put Seafoam in my bike after I first put it back together. It was running fine at the time & I didn't notice a lick of difference after the fact. In the words of the Mythbusters, I'd say this one is... "BUSTED" |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by earlytimz on 06/11/10 at 10:53:31 2E2520207A7B4C0 wrote:
If it's so simple, back it up with something besides your mouth |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 11:04:43 I was in the army so anything the DoD says you can take with a grain of salt. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by weracerc on 06/11/10 at 12:27:42 none taken - i will most likely differ to an easy option first before i go diving in to a mechanical issue like pulling a carb and rebuilding it - I am not that mechanically inclined in the first place and from what i read the sea foam would clean the gunk out of the carb without tearing it down - i dont claim any HP or performance enhancements either other than the bike was not performing because the carb was gunked now it is clean and running and getting me from point a to point b......man that took a lot out of me - i need a nap now. whew! |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 15:18:50 3A3E2D33262B3632255F0 wrote:
rubbing alcohol te he he ;D |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by earlytimz on 06/11/10 at 15:36:20 Please elaborate, Bill Do you realize there's rubbing alcohol in your precious Seafoam? I'd love to see you back up your big mouth with some substance. Your one liners are getting old & really make you look like a fool... No, scratch that... It makes you look like a dumbass! I'm glad you finally got thru the whole post! Congrats! |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by earlytimz on 06/11/10 at 15:38:17 7A7174742E2F180 wrote:
Being in the army definitely makes you an expert on the DoD! Back that up, expert... Please? |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by bill67 on 06/11/10 at 15:54:27 I bet when you ride your motorcycle you wear one of those WW2 German helmets,Thats the way I picture you. |
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Title: Re: How much seafoam Post by earlytimz on 06/11/10 at 16:02:50 Wrong again!! You already know where I'm at... Come on down & I'll give you a close up view... Cool? What's your f-ing point, Bill?? |
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