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Message started by PipJones on 05/24/10 at 10:28:10

Title: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/24/10 at 10:28:10

If you've been keeping up. I replaced my timing chain and tensioner guide and had troubles getting her back into time.

She is now in time and will fire up and run smoothly in neutral.... however when i put her in gear she wants to creep forward. No matter where i adjust the cable to, she will creep forward and i won't be able to kick her from first into neutral.

I had the clutch apart and thought i got her put back together properly (disks/plates aligned properly, springs tightened down, etc.

Any ideas to help would be much appreciated.

~Pip Jones

P.S. I guess I shoulda gotten a manual for this thing....

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by james may on 05/24/10 at 10:30:26

It's hard to tell what's wrong if it's not the clutch lever or the cable.. You made sure the cable is actually actuating the clutch lever right? if you do a search in the tech section I think someone posted the PDF file of the clymer manual that may have some more tips and diagrams.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by Oldfeller on 05/24/10 at 10:43:58

Did you oil the clutch plates when you put them back in? You have to do this or the clutch won't properly disengage.

If this is the case, run it for a few days and the oil will migrate naturally back inside the plates and your draggy action will correct itself.

Wet clutches operate by oil sticktion, not by rubbing cork to steel. Changes in oil viscosity (or lack of oil) can cause "different" behavior in a wet clutch.

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Lastly, if you have no manual how do know that you put it back together properly?

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/24/10 at 10:55:15

No i didn't put oil on them. the bike has been sitting for about 1.5 months w/o oil in it so that is a VERY GOOD possibility oldfeller.

Honestly, I don't know i put it back together properly, but i have a knack for remembering how i took something apart. mostly you put it backtogether in reverse. (i fix cars for a living.... I've got alot of practice figuring out how stuff comes apart and goes back together).

I'll run it for an hour or so this afternoon and see if that helps.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by verslagen1 on 05/24/10 at 11:34:23

Are getting good lever action?
does it require a good force to pull the clutch?
If so, I'd go with OF's advice.

Maybe even tip the bike over to get more oil over there. Get a jack stand and put it under the upper shock mount and tip it about 45°

If no, then either the clutch cam has broken or you forgot to put in the rod.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/24/10 at 11:48:39

would gently "laying" the bike down on the clutch side speed up this process. kinda trying to "dip" the clutch in oil?

or would it not get the oil where it needs to be?

i guess you anwered my question above...

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by dasch on 05/24/10 at 13:26:25

Are you guys sure about this?? I mean, the whole pack is dipped in oil, right? That thing will creep in there in 1 second... Let alone when you engage and plates split apart. Dunno...
Pip, I've never done it - but I would easily take it apart one more time, my friend, specially if you know it worked all right before. My 5 cents.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/24/10 at 14:09:29

right, but to take it apart i "unadjusted" my clutch cable to get the cover off more easily, so i don't know if i just need to adjust it back or if somethin got messed up.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by verslagen1 on 05/24/10 at 15:00:56

:-? :o
so you're having a problem cause you loosened the clutch cable and now it don't work cause you didn't readjust it?

ok, ok, ok, bite tongue.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/25/10 at 05:08:47

In theory that is correct.

I adjusted the clutch cable to take the clutch cover off. when i took the clutch off to replace the timing chain the clutch kinda "fell apart" 1 or 2 things come out of place..... but all the clutch plates got turned. i put them back together as best as i thought and now she desn't move right. no matter how I adjust the clutch cable.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by earlytimz on 05/25/10 at 07:41:17

Face it, you've gotta open that jewel back up!!

http://fiche.ronayers.com/Index.cfm/Module/Main/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/YearID/29/Year/1988/ModelID/6301/Model/LS650P_SAVAGE/GroupID/258556/Group/CLUTCH

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/25/10 at 07:49:11

I'm starting to wonder if i got something in the wrong place or somethin similar to that. i've been examining the pic you hyperlinked to on a local bike shop's website and thinking that i've gotta pop the clutch apart and see what i did.

Is there a walkthru about clutch assembly/disassembly on this site? I have looked but havn't found one.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/25/10 at 09:08:53

So there are 2 "washers" at the front of the clutch pack and i don't know which one goes where, i'm wondering if this isn't my issue. everything else looks good..... but one of these is "torqued" and doesn't lay flat and the other 1 IS flat.

Which one goes where??????

any ideas?

~Pip Jones

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by Oldfeller on 05/25/10 at 09:15:32

http://fiche.ronayers.com/Index.cfm/Module/Main/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/YearID/29/Year/1988/ModelID/6301/Model/LS650P_SAVAGE/GroupID/258556/Group/CLUTCH

clearly shows the position of the wave and flat washers

#10 is the flat

#11 is the wave

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/10 at 09:16:09

If I didnt have a manual, I would likely at least take pics & make very careful observations & leave my forgetful self some notes.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by Oldfeller on 05/25/10 at 09:35:33

Hey Justin, long time no speakie

Good to see you posting again.

You gotta remember to resist the idiot's invitations to come play in their sandbox with them. They throw sand everywhere, it gets in you hair and down inside your clothes -- pretty soon you get tempted to throw some back.

Then they get all incensed that you would actually THROW SAND !!! My goodness, what is wrong with you -- you could get some in my eye!!

Then they throw rock laden mud at you (had it in their hands the whole time, just needed an excuse to fling it at you)

They got some extra special smelly mud held in reserve should you be foolish enough stay in the sandbox and continue playing their game with them. "Fair play" for them in the sandbox involves throwing excrement and screaming loudly like monkeys in the zoo.

For heaven's sake don't go too close by the monkey cage, and don't go sit down in the sandbox with them ...

And should the monkeys come visit where you are, just ignore them, stand up and leave. Monkeys need attention and if denied that they quickly become bored and go somewhere else.

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by dasch on 05/25/10 at 10:07:34

Dude!!?? :o

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by earlytimz on 05/25/10 at 10:17:43

7471637378100 wrote:

Dude!!?? :o

LMAO... Huh???

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by PipJones on 05/25/10 at 10:25:20

Thanks for the tip oldfeller!

BTW, I'm not sure what it was (most likely the order of the washers) but my clutch works properly now.

Thanks for all your tips and help.

~Pip Jones

Title: Re: Clutch won't disengauge????
Post by verslagen1 on 05/25/10 at 16:49:24

probably was the usual fix, take apart wonder why it didn't work and put back together, hey it works now fix.