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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Is she in time?!?!?!? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1274536917 Message started by PipJones on 05/22/10 at 07:01:57 |
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Title: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by PipJones on 05/22/10 at 07:01:57 I've been jacking with my beast for about a month now (actually its been in the past 2 days for about 4hr total) and she finally decided to start to run. Can these things be 1 tooth off on the camshaft sprocket and still run, just without the proper throttle response??? She will sit and idle, but if you rap her up she doesn't respond to it well. she stays running, but she just doesn't sound right... Anyone with experiance w/ being 1 tooth off? ~Pip Jones |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by Serowbot on 05/22/10 at 07:31:39 one tooth off, and she might run, but probably wouldn't idle... opposite of your problem... test your petcock...(info in the tech section)... not many spark issues with this bike, so I'm guessin' fuel... |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by PipJones on 05/22/10 at 07:35:33 i've been using a bottle with fuel in it so i didn't have to put the fuel tank on. She is currently VERY bare, without any gaskets, etc. in case i needed to take her back apart. I think I may gasket her up, fill her with oil and put the tank back on. I am also considering moving her 1 more tooth, just to see since i'm there and see how she does.... if she runs better, we're in time but if she doesn't want to pop-off, i'll take her 1 tooth back and bolt her together............. I am not having fun btw...... also, she DID have oil in her, she was just leaking w/o the gaskets |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by Serowbot on 05/22/10 at 07:48:51 so,.. did you have the cam chain off?.... also,... feeding the carb with a bottle,... you do have the vac line plugged, right?.. PS,... I know it's no fun,... just tryin' to help ;).... |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by PipJones on 05/22/10 at 07:53:12 yeah i replaced the cam chain and chain tensioner guide. i had a really loud SCREACHING sound coming from the right side just above idle, so i looked at my tensioner and got like 19mm or something rediculous. after replacing the timing components i'm at like 7.5 or 8mm. MUCH BETTER! but i guess i spun the cam or crank w/o realizing it and have been jacking with it TOOTH-BY-TOOTH since then. I've moved it 5 teeth (in the same direction) and finally got some good compression. BUT i don't know if its good enough..... No i did't have the vac plugged up. and there was no other hole in the bottle, so it would be creating vacuum inside which WOULD hinder fuel flow........ any more ideas? also, she's torn back apart with the clutch case apart and the head cover of again. sooooo i can't just plug the vac line and poke a hole in the bottle and try again. |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by verslagen1 on 05/22/10 at 08:19:43 there's been a few that have mistimed it. ran but wouldn't go over 50 happened a year or 2 ago I wouldn't guess where the timing should be, set it to the marks sooner or later you're gonna start smackin' parts. Is it possible you gotta a hanging valve? Did you check the oil drive gear is properly meshed? |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by Serowbot on 05/22/10 at 08:23:24 My concern wasn't for venting on the fuel bottle,... but if the vac line tap on the carb is not capped off, you will have an intake air leak, making you very lean.... but first,... you need to set the camchain to the right timing... I'm sorry I don't remember the alignment protocol offhand... Some mark is set to 1 o'clock on the top gear right?... (1 o'clock doesn't sound very precise does it?)... |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by PipJones on 05/22/10 at 08:24:09 All gears are good and free spinning (i spinn the motor by hand when valves have tension on them to make sure i'm not gonna slap something that'll break. My thing is that i was off by 5 teeth and she is just NOW starting to run..... i figure 1 more shouldn't slap anything BUT i will check anyways, she's going back after 1 more tooth. if she doesn't run right.... i know she needs to go back a tooth and get proper fuel supply on her. I'll update with what i find. ~pip jones 1-o'clock isnt very accurate at all. and theres the thing that TCD is like 2 teeth long.... so take your pick, 1-o'clock or 1:30???..... |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by Serowbot on 05/22/10 at 08:27:48 Versy,... are there any pics on site, of the proper gear alignment?... |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by PipJones on 05/22/10 at 08:28:51 very dark 1's that you can't see anything from. (from what i've seen) Just finished getting her back to spinning point and she's not puffin right. i went 1 tooth too far. I'm wondering if she wasn't just running SUPER lean like you said serowbot.... When i go and test the compression i don't have the coil plugged up, exhaust on, etc.... all i'm checking is the sound the motor makes when the starter spinns her. i think i went too far. 1 tooth back, properly bend plates to hold bolts in place. clean all bonded surfaces. install new gaskets. Fuel tank, seat. ITS TIME TO RIDE!!!!!!!! I'll let you guys know how she does.... its times like these i wish i wore jeans to work instead of stupid Cintas shorts! (in case something goes wrong) ~Pip Jones |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by Serowbot on 05/22/10 at 08:41:36 Best of luck Pip,... sorry I can't be more helpful... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by verslagen1 on 05/22/10 at 08:54:33 couldn't find OF's rebuild walkthru but found his timing cam one http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1256079122/15 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/cam_line_up.JPG see how the marks are slightly rotated from horizontal? that's from cam chain stretch, guide or gear wear. so slightly ccw from horizontal is the correct way. make sure the timing marks on the crank are aligned. http://verslagen.savageriders.com/ValveAdj/timing_marks.jpg |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by PipJones on 05/22/10 at 09:42:00 well that would explain why i couldn't find the cam timing marks..... i never took the cap off............. great! anyhow. I really think i got it. when i went 1 farther it didn't sound right at all..... so i went 1 back. maybe a tank of fuel from petcock instead of a waterbottle of fuel from a vacuum line will make her a little happier. We'll see! Thanks for all the help. Almost time to start her up! I'll let you know how it goes. |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by Oldfeller on 05/22/10 at 10:00:57 Here is your walk thru .... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1256079122 Pip, you gonna bust that thang if you don't look up the helpful stuff up BEFORE you work on it ... |
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Title: Re: Is she in time?!?!?!? Post by Serowbot on 05/22/10 at 10:19:36 7F5C5456555C5C5542300 wrote:
Oldfeller,... Thanks for that great run through,... I saved the whole thing to my hard drive for future use... ;)... |
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