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Title: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/04/10 at 01:39:09 Hi guys, im a newb on here and to owning a bike! I just bought my first motorcycle on thursday. Its an 86 savage. I dont even know how to ride yet, so its going to be a fun adventure! but after taking it for a spin around my cul de sac, i decided i want to clean the carb, replace the spark plug, and change the oil. Just so i can have the peace of mind that its all fresh in there. So far Ive found great guides on the carb and oil change in the tech section but havent found something for the spark plug, any help on that would be great! But the main reason im posting is because after starting the bike up and getting the fuel running through theres a gas leak at the bottom! i dont know what the hose is called but its leaking and when i squeeze it, it leaks faster. Any thoughts on how to stop this??? this seems to be the only issue with the bike heres the bike http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/edgar_cmd/2d887ab2.jpg And heres the valve thats leaking (i know ive got a lot of cleaning to do!) http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/edgar_cmd/3d702411-1.jpg http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/edgar_cmd/397fbf2e-1.jpg thanks for any help |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Oldfeller on 05/04/10 at 01:47:40 From the position, it is likely to be a dump tube. If it is clear plastic it is the battery dump tube and is supposed to be open at all times. If it it black it is supposed to have a plug in the end of it and it traces back to the air box (you pop the plug out at every oil change to let the oily ooze drain out of the air box). Which tube is it? Where does it go to? And is it really gasoline leaking from it? |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Routy on 05/04/10 at 05:53:09 When you start the bike, vacuum opens the petcock valve to let gas flow to the carb. So, it seems that the float valve in the carb is not shutting off properly, and the carb is over filling and leaking out the vent tubes. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/04/10 at 11:17:03 Its defintely not from the battery because i charged up the battery and adjusted the tube myself. Its not clear, its definately black, and definately is Gas, but i dont know where it leads to. BUT, i may have found the problem: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/edgar_cmd/91fb0d18.jpg Its leaking through a little tear at the tip of the tube. How do I plug that up?? |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by verslagen1 on 05/04/10 at 11:34:02 The airbox has a resevour blown out oil and gas spit out by the carb. That tube is how to drain it. Yours is different then ours, we have a plug. The ealy bikes has this type of plug. They must've changed to the plug it sounds like your leaks too much. check your oil level regularly while you're having this issue. As if the gas is getting into the oil, it's bad news. and you should drain the oil and replace asap. Park going up an incline will help keep the gas out of the engine. Check your vac line for gas too. This would indicate the diaphragm in the petcock is leaking and you would need to repair it. sparkplug, take and blow out the sparkplug hole with compressed air before removing it. Otherwise all the gravel that's collected up there will fall in. During your carb clean, check the float level, check the condition of the float valve. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/04/10 at 13:45:03 312235342B2620222976470 wrote:
whoa, sounds overwhelming! so its not in driveable condition right now? And say i go through all those things and clean and fix and drain, that hole at the end of that valve is still gonna be there, is there not supposed to be any fuel in that tube at all??? |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by verslagen1 on 05/04/10 at 14:03:20 6041424457250 wrote:
Don't panic. Driveable, yes with caution. Parkable, yes with caution. fuel will spit out the carb on ocassion, you'll have reduced fuel mileage. But driveable. park with the nose up will prevent gas from dripping into the engine. put a brick under the front wheel if you have to. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by mikelhsr1982 on 05/04/10 at 20:54:49 Congrats on the new bike. There is alot of good info on here. I purchased an 87 about a month ago and began making a "bobber" out of it. Good luck with learning to ride and with the bike. Mike |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/04/10 at 22:48:01 4541434D44405B5A1911101A280 wrote:
yea ive already found a ton of things on here. and Im glad i posted my issue because i would have never conceived all the possible problems that could stem from noticing this leak. My intentions when i bought the bike were to bobb it too! do you have a link to the progress of what you've done to your bike? And thank you verslagen1 ill get on all thse things soon, what oil from autozone/kragen/pep boys do you guys reccamend? and can i get a sparkplug for these at one of those stores? thanks again! |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by LANCER on 05/05/10 at 02:12:46 Welcome to the Savage world Edgar. I kind of hate to pile on but the tank valve could also be a source for the problem. As mentioned already, when the engine starts the vacuum created opens the valve to let fuel down from the tank. The tank valve has 3 positions ON RESERVE PRIME If the little vacuum diaphram inside the valve breaks down, it can let fuel drain from the tank through the vacuum line to the carb when the bike is just sitting. That fuel will collect in the carb and can go out the carb vent tubes or overflow to the air box which shows up where you found it. A good fix for this is the Raptor valve to replace the stock tank valve. There is a discussion of it in this section now, and you can find more info on it in the tech section |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by JohnBoy on 05/05/10 at 04:08:16 Edgar every bike has some issues, and the older they are, the more they seem to pop up. The Savage has fewer poblems than most, they are easier and cheaper to fix, and the people here have lots of practical experience fixing them. Have fun and safe riding! |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by mikelhsr1982 on 05/05/10 at 06:01:23 4A6B686E7D0F0 wrote:
yea ive already found a ton of things on here. and Im glad i posted my issue because i would have never conceived all the possible problems that could stem from noticing this leak. My intentions when i bought the bike were to bobb it too! do you have a link to the progress of what you've done to your bike? And thank you verslagen1 ill get on all thse things soon, what oil from autozone/kragen/pep boys do you guys reccamend? and can i get a sparkplug for these at one of those stores? thanks again! [/quote] Ill post the one decent pic I have this far. But I did the bobber basics so far, ditched the rear fender, turn signals, air box to accommodate a cone filter, and the buckhorn bars that were on it. When the tins get finished Ill be sure to post it on here. All the pic reflects is the painted frame and engine and the first idea of paint scheme. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l237/mikelhsr/IMAG0019-1.jpg Enjoy |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by babyhog on 05/05/10 at 06:23:58 3236343A33372C2D6E66676D5F0 wrote:
yea ive already found a ton of things on here. and Im glad i posted my issue because i would have never conceived all the possible problems that could stem from noticing this leak. My intentions when i bought the bike were to bobb it too! do you have a link to the progress of what you've done to your bike? And thank you verslagen1 ill get on all thse things soon, what oil from autozone/kragen/pep boys do you guys reccamend? and can i get a sparkplug for these at one of those stores? thanks again! [/quote] Ill post the one decent pic I have this far. But I did the bobber basics so far, ditched the rear fender, turn signals, air box to accommodate a cone filter, and the buckhorn bars that were on it. When the tins get finished Ill be sure to post it on here. All the pic reflects is the painted frame and engine and the first idea of paint scheme. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l237/mikelhsr/IMAG0019-1.jpg Enjoy [/quote] Just a tip for my new fellow WV buddy... If you use the Insert Image icon or put [ img ] your link [ /img ] (except remove the spaces before and after the brackets), and put your link between them, the picture will show within your post instead of having to click the link. ;) like this: http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l237/mikelhsr/IMAG0019-1.jpg |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by mikelhsr1982 on 05/05/10 at 08:32:16 Thanks for the info, I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to get something on there, lol. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/05/10 at 10:17:52 So the bottom line is that there shouldnt be any fuel in that line??? Because that hole is still gonna be there. And it only leaks when the bike is on |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/05/10 at 11:47:09 well an update, good news and bad news. The good news is I fired her up and rode her for about 15 minutes, NO LEAKING anymore!!! Is that good or bad? The bad news is I think the old battery died. Because when i try to turn it on, theres just a click sound and nothing else |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by EJID on 05/05/10 at 11:55:15 0F2E2D2B384A0 wrote:
Glad to hear it's running, but now it's not starting? :-? There are several safety switches built into the system and any one of them could be malfunctioning if you are unable to turn it over. I would recommend: (cold starting procedure) 1. Place bike in N (N light on Speedo should light up) 2. Make sure the kill switch by the throttle grip is in the ON position 3. Sit on the bike and lift the Kickstand (there is a kickstand safety switch that will not allow the bike to be started if it is in gear) 4. Pull the Choke (enrichener) out to the 2nd stop 5. Turn the key to ON (make sure it is not in Park where only the taillight lights up) 6. Pull in the clutch lever and thumb the starter. If at this point you do not have the bike at least turn over you either have a safety switch malfuctioning or a dead battery. (or possibly more serious other wiring issues, but we'll cross that bridge later if we need to) Let us know if that helps at all ;D |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by bill67 on 05/05/10 at 12:20:47 Check for water in the battery and charge it. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/17/10 at 19:42:56 Hey guys, I've got a few more questions does anyone know if these particular xs650 rims/wheels fit on a savage? I like the style, are there any aftermarket wheels available similar to those?if anyone has a link to a good store I'd appreciate it. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/edgar_cmd/eeb62ad3.jpg is rejetting neccessary for any muffler change? Even if it's clip/bolt on specificly made for a savage? I'm looking at some handlebars on jcwhitney, what should I be looking for to know they fit? Thanks guys..... And girls! |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by crash_tx on 05/17/10 at 19:55:14 XS650 axles are 20mm. Suzuki Savage is 17mm. Not a good fit! However, here is a link to axle size cross-reference that might do you some good. http://scandalon.com/2009/06/motorcycle-rear-axle-diameters/ Rims (mags) like this can be found pretty darn cheap on Ebay! It's the wire spoke rims that get kind of pricey. Even for old rusty ones!!! :-? |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by jef.savage on 05/17/10 at 20:11:18 Seems like most of the handlebars on JCW are 7/8 inch. You need 1 inch. There are a lot more options on Ebay. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by BurnPgh on 05/17/10 at 20:40:50 '83-86 Gs550 wheels work. Gotta switch to chain drive and space your brake rotor out or space the caliper in. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by verslagen1 on 05/17/10 at 21:13:06 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1205292181 |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/17/10 at 21:29:39 Awesome guys. Thanks, does anyone know about the muffler question? |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by verslagen1 on 05/17/10 at 21:34:06 1A3B383E2D5F0 wrote:
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yes/no, depends on the muf |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Edgar on 05/17/10 at 21:38:38 Blue collar Bobber muffler? |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by verslagen1 on 05/17/10 at 22:12:47 I don't know that one, and don't anybodies that's got one. they're pretty new around here. grab a jet set and wade in... the waters fine. |
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Title: Re: NEWB!!! Post by Routy on 05/18/10 at 05:40:56 Altitude will make a difference in whether you need jetting or not. My advice is,.....don't rejet unless you have some evidence that you need rejetting. And then rejet only the throttle range that needs it. |
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