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Title: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Stones on 04/01/10 at 12:50:03 I read on here somewhere there is a slip on that bolts straight on to standard bracket ? Cant find it now maybe a dyna if so which model etc ? Thanks |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jabman on 04/01/10 at 13:01:38 the dyna is excellent part number 65388-95 is a direct fit |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Routy on 04/01/10 at 13:10:29 I guess that would depend on the definition of "direct fit" Lot of info here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1268577103/0 |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jabman on 04/01/10 at 13:15:21 that guy never gave the part number for the one he had, which didn't fit :-? |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/01/10 at 13:39:26 My Dyna is also a direct fit and the part number is: 64941-01. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by prechermike on 04/01/10 at 14:29:49 Stones, I know nothing about parts numbers and such. I have a friend with a HD, he had the muflers laying around and gave me one. It has a rail mount, which worked very nicely. He also gave me a genuine HD clamp, which works wonderful as well. I have read about guys having to use a drink can to make a spacer, but I did not do that. I took the pipe off to do the head plug leak and now have an exhaust leak, where the muffler and head pipe go together, it is backfiring again. But I have not had the time to fix it. I had rather ride than wrench. Here is my story and I am sticking to it! http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1244666206/0 |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by RTC on 04/01/10 at 17:04:12 I was at the harley dealer today looking at used pipes and i noticed a really cool slash cut one. I can't remember what it came from. Anyone know if it will fit? |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by verslagen1 on 04/01/10 at 17:27:04 I "know" it'll fit a harley. ::) If you try real hard, I "think" it'll fit a savage. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by DrunkenDwarf on 04/01/10 at 18:06:12 I've got a HD exhaust off of a Dyna Super Glide. There's two sets of numbers on it: 64941-01 - I think this is the part number HARFXD1450 - I think this says Dyna Super Glide One thing to watch out for is the ID of the muffler is 1 3/4 and the OD of the header is 1 5/8. Hard to get a good seal with that difference. You'll want to: a) use an adapter b) use a shim c) use muffler sealer d) some combination of the above I went with a+c. Cost me $20 to get a local muffler shop to fab up an adapter. If you go this route, have them put a slight (7-10 degree) bend in it. -Drunken Dwarf |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Serowbot on 04/01/10 at 18:23:33 Just look for one with a rail mount (easy),.. not a tab mount(hard)... and no crossover tube... |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jef.savage on 04/01/10 at 20:04:50 I had an experience this week that might shed some light on the "bolt on" controversy. Tuesday I put a new engine in. When I bolted on the header I could see clearly the muffler wasn't going to fit. But wait, this is the muffler that came off! So I pulled the head pipe, bolted it to the muffler and reinstalled, no problem. I discovered you can rotate the head pipe inside the flange and get more than an inch of difference at the other end. This gave me the needed clearance. I was actually able to get a better fit than before. I spent a few minutes refining the simple bracket I had used and I'm much happier with the muffler placement than before. Plus I got the muffler all the way up the head pipe to the collar which I hadn't done before. All this just by rotating the pipe to give more clearance at the bottom. But even rotated this way the front heat shield still went right on so it's not really sticking out. I thought this was interesting in light of the threads I've read about whether a particular muffler is a "bolt on". |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Stones on 04/02/10 at 03:05:09 Thanks all for the feedback. Would this do the job : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Harley-Davidson-exhausts_W0QQitemZ160418011105QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item2559a897e1 |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Routy on 04/03/10 at 12:48:48 I still just love some peoples definition of "direct fit". But at least w/ all the posts/threads out on the subject, newcomers don't have to read very far to know what to expect when installing any Harley muffler on the Savage. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by siriusjoe on 04/03/10 at 16:55:54 313A39363A355B0 wrote:
Yes, he did, in reply #21. 342E352E32342D2822470 wrote:
That's the same muffler I have. There must be something about the later model S40's that's different from the old Savage. Joe [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jabman on 04/05/10 at 09:39:31 Is there a library of part numbers that fit?? or have we concluded that the header connection has a role in what will fit. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/05/10 at 09:52:10 I am only aware of 2 part numbers that have proved to be a direct fit onto the Savage. They are listed in this thread. I suggest you buy one and try it. Many owners on this and other sites have done this with little difficulty. I suggest you only pay attention to the posts of the people who have actually attempted the conversion. If someone hasn't done it, then he is in no position to advise anyone about it. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jabman on 04/05/10 at 09:55:44 6251574B5651230 wrote:
+1 |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by babyhog on 04/05/10 at 10:01:47 part number on mine 65747-94 |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/05/10 at 10:16:31 Thanks for that, Babyhog. Now there are 3 part numbers that fit: 64941-01. 65388-95 65747-94 I've saved all 3 of these and next time someone asks about this, I will post them. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Routy on 04/05/10 at 12:42:09 Lets be clear, by "direct fit", are you saying that the header pipe OD and the muffler ID is the same as is the OEM muffler ? And are you saying that they have the 7 degree kink needed to properly fit the bike as the OEM does ? 4477716D7077050 wrote:
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jabman on 04/05/10 at 12:54:59 yes i used no 7 degree whatever adapter tube/pipe. The only items i used are the same that would be needed for the stock pipe e.g exhaust clamp + exhaust paste. that's my definition of a direct fit. cheap as well i paid nothing for my pipe (HD take off) |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Serowbot on 04/05/10 at 12:57:01 ...if somebody is compiling info... Harley 65605-97 is a tab mount .. (on my bike)... requires drilling mount hole in bracket... Harley 65844-95 is a rail mount w/ internal cat. from a FXST 1450cc Softail... (easy bolt up, on Nicka's bike)... |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by babyhog on 04/05/10 at 12:57:47 47485249555340424A4453210 wrote:
[/quote] Routy - No. I just gave my part number. I wouldn't call it an "exact" or "perfect" fit, but we made it work. I'm very picky, so me saying that we made it work, isn't something I do lightly. We used an extension piece to get the tip further back, and to accomodate the difference in OD/ID at the connection. I also have a bit of an exhaust leak, which I haven't fixed yet, but I'm not too concerned about, until I need to do something else to the bike. I won't use a pop can... I think another slit or two in the extension piece will allow the clamp to close better. Just guessing though. I can tell you that I don't have a 7° kink. I can't tell you exactly how straight mine is, but I should be able to take a picture this evening like the other ones we have seen, to compare the angle. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by nicka on 04/05/10 at 12:58:46 65844-95 fit my 2003 with a shim from a soup can. It has a catalyst so gives a great pop on gear change but no back fire on deceleration. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by RTC on 04/05/10 at 13:58:15 i put one on two day ago 64753-09. it had no tapered end. it definently wasn't a direct fit like it was made for the bike but i didnt have to cut or drill anything. it was a little crooked but not enough that a clamp and paste didn't seal it up. it almost touches the brake cable but it's fine with me. sounds good too. nice and deep. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Routy on 04/05/10 at 15:17:35 Thanks Babyhog for your straight forward truthful answer. If that is called a "direct fit", IMO that can be misleading, but they can call it anything they like. 2320212C2E344D0 wrote:
[/quote] Routy - No. I just gave my part number. I wouldn't call it an "exact" or "perfect" fit, but we made it work. I'm very picky, so me saying that we made it work, isn't something I do lightly. We used an extension piece to get the tip further back, and to accomodate the difference in OD/ID at the connection. I also have a bit of an exhaust leak, which I haven't fixed yet, but I'm not too concerned about, until I need to do something else to the bike. I won't use a pop can... I think another slit or two in the extension piece will allow the clamp to close better. Just guessing though. I can tell you that I don't have a 7° kink. I can't tell you exactly how straight mine is, but I should be able to take a picture this evening like the other ones we have seen, to compare the angle. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by bill67 on 04/05/10 at 15:25:32 Indirect fit ;) |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/05/10 at 16:22:48 Babyhog it seems your part number is not a direct fit, so I will remove it from the list of part numbers I am saving. This leaves only 2 HD non-catalytic, tapered muffler part numbers for a direct fit without alterations: 64941-01 65388-95 64753-09: Non tapered, may be catalytic..?, easy install. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Serowbot on 04/05/10 at 17:33:02 Other than the tab/rail mount,... I honestly think they're all the same... ... the difference is in the installer.... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/05/10 at 17:54:27 I'm starting to think the same thing, Serowbot. For you, me and many others, this was and is an easy install. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by siriusjoe on 04/05/10 at 20:56:56 7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote:
The difference is in the header pipe. The pictures I posted in the other thread make it perfectly clear why some can't do it without that angled adapter. Simply stated, some header pipes aren't straight enough. I'm not sure why anyone would take that as a personal insult or an invitation for an argument, especially when other forum members have already admitted using an angle adapter and even posted pictures and directions on how to make one. Joe |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by RTC on 04/05/10 at 21:27:48 0231372B3631430 wrote:
so mine gets left out cause it's not tapered? >:( just kidding but seriously though, this muffler has a cat converter in it? does it benefit me in any way besides epa stuff? more importantly does it affect me adversely? |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/05/10 at 22:01:45 Siriusjoe, I doubt anyone would take that as an insult. The only friction in this thread may have to do with the people who have never attempted this conversion and therefore cannot speak with any authority about it, but insist on arguing anyway. As for the header pipe, the problem most people have had is not the angle of the pipe, but their inability to get it far enough in the muffler. In about the 2 years I've been on this site, your complaint about pipe angle is rare. Most people have adapters made because they have difficulty sliding the header far enough into the muffler, so instead they use an adapter to make it easier. RTC, my error and I stand corrected. I changed my parts number posting found earlier in this thread, and will accordingly advise anyone in the future who wants to do this conversion. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by RTC on 04/05/10 at 22:20:14 1221273B2621530 wrote:
thanks but does this muffler really have a cat conv. in it? do you know? |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/05/10 at 22:23:53 About the CAT, Serowbot said: "Harley 65844-95 is a rail mount w/ internal cat. from a FXST 1450cc Softail" If Serowbot says it does, you can believe him. He has considerable experience with these conversions. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by RTC on 04/05/10 at 22:27:38 ok well that's not my pn and the harley dealer said it came of a dyna |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Serowbot on 04/05/10 at 23:43:26 RTC,.. if it has a cat,... it will be clearly printed on the side with the EPA certification... Looking in from the intake end, it looks like a coiled up hacksaw blade... it's basically nothing more than a heat coil, designed to burn up excess pollutants... Negatives are the extra heat, but insulating exterior metal is designed for it, so external metal temps are said to be no more... PS,.. I'm not insulted by anything here... My comments may have been taken as insult... I apologize.. I'm just saying what I believe to be true from reading the posts... It is, perhaps, a difference in definition... "easy swap", "direct replacement",...whatever... The only thing that will bolt up exactly like a factory piece,...is a factory piece,... and even that requires that you have no other mods getting in the way... Semantics aside,... a Harley, rail mount, muffler, without a crossover tube,... fits pretty well, and is an easy swap... and it sounds, looks, and works well... Some people here, can not only rebuild an engine, but machine the parts to make one.... I can't.... Others here, don't change their own oil... So,.. simple, easy,.... are relative terms... If I think I'm being more harmful than helpful,... I'll stop giving advice ... I won't need to be told... |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by babyhog on 04/06/10 at 05:40:51 5E485F425A4F42592D0 wrote:
Awesome answer Serow! Applause, applause!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Routy on 04/06/10 at 06:55:22 I have only one more thing to say,.... I can keep up w/ any of you's when it come to installing anything,.... my only beef has been the misleading statement of direct fit, when in fact there ain't a one of these mufflers that fits these bike like the OEM, or like they are supposed to. The ID ond OD does not match, nor does any one of them have the 7 degree kink in them to position them away from the brake hub, and let them slide on to the header pipe easily. No, I have not installed one, but I have seen, and measured enough of them to know they are NOT a direct fit. And its not like I have not done my share of muffler and pipe fitting in my day. Yes, it is in the installers as to how easily you can make them "so called fit" ! If I was installing one, I would first of all machine a bushing for a "DIRECT FIT" OD and ID. (yes, I can do that) Then I would wedge cut the muffler inlet for the 7 degree kink, weld it back, and it would really be a "Direct Fit" So, call it what you like, but I will continue to tell others what to expect when they ask, and are told the Dana's are A "Direct fit" ps: Quote: Indirect fit -------------------------- Bill, you got it ! |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jabman on 04/06/10 at 14:48:46 Routy: No, I have not installed one i rest my case. ::) |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by siriusjoe on 04/06/10 at 23:10:06 42494A454946280 wrote:
Me too: http://home.comcast.net/~siriusjoe2/theproblem.jpg |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by jabman on 04/06/10 at 23:34:01 http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy87/jabman89/DSC00056.jpg That's a new guard in the middle by the way. no adapter or fabrication needed. I have have no idea what you have done with yours. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/06/10 at 23:42:37 No angle problems on mine either. 30-60 minute install, no adapters, welding or leaks. http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk80/tlukatch/hhhh.jpg |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by siriusjoe on 04/07/10 at 01:23:18 That's great. Which one of you wants to swap header pipes with me? ;D |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by serenity3743 on 04/07/10 at 10:31:10 Here's just an observation. I have installed both a stock muffler and a Dyna muffler. Actually just installed a second Dyna muffler. I have not had to use an angle adapter, but I have had to use tin or copper shims at the muffler/header joint, for the Dynas. There are two rotation points in the installation: one at the header flange, the other at the muffler/header-pipe-joint. Leaving all connections loose and using trial and error to get both rotation points at their most ideal spot seems to have worked for me |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by RTC on 04/07/10 at 22:05:15 http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2010%5C04%5C07%5Cbikepics-1946339-800.jpg here's my "indirect fit "of a straight tip dyna muffler |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by RTC on 04/07/10 at 22:08:40 http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2010%5C04%5C07%5Cbikepics-1946345-full.jpg and another..i found the heat shield at the harley dealer for 5 bucks and cut the left side off for a good fit. the connection of the muffler was a little crooked but some exhaust sealant and a u clamp fixed it up good. rail mount bolted up tight. sometimes touches the rear brake cable but haven't seen any soot back there yet. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Gort on 04/07/10 at 22:53:33 Nice clean install. |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Serowbot on 04/08/10 at 00:37:30 RTC,... like your cylinder paint... very DP 70's classic... I did the same style... ;)... Cool!.... http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2008%5C11%5C27%5Cbikepics-1494344-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Harley Slip on exhaust Post by Stones on 04/24/10 at 01:45:57 Well i finally got a dyna fitted and im well pleased. No heatshield as yet ill get round to that later. Its blowing a tiny bit from the collector but nothing i cant deal with. Nice sound on tickover and when reved sounds really cool. The bike seems to be more responsive even though i havent had chance to rejet or retune it as yet. http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae213/stones650/DSC00108.jpg |
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