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Title: fork brace Post by siriusjoe on 03/28/10 at 10:46:22 Where are you guys getting the fork braces from? I can't find them anywhere. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/28/10 at 10:49:07 Super Brace is one of them and theres a cheaper one . |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by verslagen1 on 03/28/10 at 10:50:07 The Tkat listing may be gone from the marketplace, but sure he still offers it. http://tkat.com/ email him for info or Superbrace, available everywhere. http://www.superbrace.com/proddetail.asp?prod=3335-01 |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by jabman on 03/28/10 at 11:25:05 the tkat is great! :) google tkat and you get his website and email. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/28/10 at 11:53:55 I have had them both the Super Brace is better. If you look how they are made you can see why. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by prechermike on 03/28/10 at 11:56:35 I got the Tkat and really like it. I don't have anything to compare it too, excpet the bike without it. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Skid Mark on 03/28/10 at 12:27:02 Same as preacher Mike. Either way, a forkbrace makes all the difference in handling. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/10 at 13:25:17 All Ive seen is the difference between stock & Superbrace. Pretty big difference. I gotta admit, the decision on which I chose would be how I was setting the bike up. If it was a Bobber or any kind of rat look, Id go w/ the Tkat. Even IF the S/brace IS more rigid, ( the design w9ould lead me to think it could be), I like the look of the Tkat better in some aplications. I have to be;ieve the Tkat would be at least 90% of the S/brace in fuction. I doubt I could tell the difference. A slight tire pressure variation could account for some change in the "feel" in the front end, couldnt it? aWas the evaluation/criticism based on hard cornering or easy riding or a combo? |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by wolfmrp on 03/28/10 at 14:38:58 I have not use the Tkat but I love my superbrace. :) |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/28/10 at 15:39:44 223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
I agree with you JOG about 90% I would say is right,But I wouldn't want the ratty a$$ look. ;D |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by verslagen1 on 03/28/10 at 16:26:54 The construction of either brace will maintain the tops of the sliders equidistant and aligned fore and aft. The super may do that slightly better because of it's one piece design. As far as it's ratty ass look, one could polish it for the desired look. Or you could pay superbrace $60 to do it for you. Your call. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/28/10 at 16:28:39 Vers That what JOG and I just said. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by verslagen1 on 03/28/10 at 16:33:19 262D28287273440 wrote:
Nope, you left out everything I said. ;D |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Tanker2Biker on 03/28/10 at 17:40:00 OK, I'll jump in here and admit as real inexperienced rider/owner(I've been riding since Thanksgiving), I'll admit that I don't know exactly what a fork brace is for, and what it does, and why I would want or not want. Anyone care to enlighten a newby? |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Dj12midnit on 03/28/10 at 18:12:04 In real simple terms it helps prevent flex in the forks. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/28/10 at 19:25:49 2C22797A25212C26213C480 wrote:
In other words if I ride just a normal laid back crusing ride, not pushing it into the turn etc etc, I don't need one ?? :o |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Dj12midnit on 03/28/10 at 19:43:08 27283229353320222A2433410 wrote:
In other words if I ride just a normal laid back crusing ride, not pushing it into the turn etc etc, I don't need one ?? :o [/quote] Just crusing down the road little things can cause flex. Things like grooves, turtles (also know as idiot dots.) Here they do things like, recessing the turtles, rain grooves in the highway. The effects of these things can be reduced by adding a fork brace, |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by prechermike on 03/29/10 at 03:23:28 DJ is right, I am a laid back rider as well. I can really tell a difference with mine than without. Anything that makes the road uneven feels better with the brace, it sort of cuts the wiggle out. Some can probably explain it much better and in more technical terms. But my seat of the pants experience is I like mine. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/29/10 at 05:10:50 They might even make more difference on older bike that has loosened up a little ,than a new bike that is still tight. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/29/10 at 12:28:54 Can I make one ? :o |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by babyhog on 03/29/10 at 13:22:12 58574D564A4C5F5D555B4C3E0 wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you can Routy... http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace.html http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace/brace_pieces.JPG |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/29/10 at 18:47:25 464544494B51280 wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you can Routy... http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace.html http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace/brace_pieces.JPG[/quote] Babyhog,... Thanks for the blueprint, and a good one at that. I hate to admitt it, but yep, I can make that. I wish I had a little milling machine, but I can make that on my lathe and a drill press. Trick to that is to cut the blocks in half, or use 2 seperate blocks to avoid the cutting then drill & tap and bolt them back together, then grab it in a 4 jaw and bore it to .003 under the fork dia. And its even 3pc adjustable so no center to center tollerance to hold. Pc a cake :) Now, to find some aluminum material ! |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/29/10 at 18:58:11 If you want to make a fork brace I think it would be a lot easier making one like a super brace. You could make it all in one piece and then cut in half. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/29/10 at 21:02:08 Right on, thats why a mill would be nice. I can only swing 4.5" over the bed, about 1/2 of what I'd need to do it in one pc. But there again, if done on a mill, you'd cut it, then bolt it together, then bore it .002-.003" undersize for a no gap press fit. 02090C0C5657600 wrote:
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by babyhog on 03/30/10 at 05:44:06 7A756F74686E7D7F77796E1C0 wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you can Routy... http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace.html http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace/brace_pieces.JPG[/quote] Babyhog,... Thanks for the blueprint, and a good one at that. I hate to admitt it, but yep, I can make that. I wish I had a little milling machine, but I can make that on my lathe and a drill press. Trick to that is to cut the blocks in half, or use 2 seperate blocks to avoid the cutting then drill & tap and bolt them back together, then grab it in a 4 jaw and bore it to .003 under the fork dia. And its even 3pc adjustable so no center to center tollerance to hold. Pc a cake :) Now, to find some aluminum material ! [/quote] How thick is the aluminum? I have good access to steel/alum/etc., we actually have some 1/4" aluminum plate in stock, but its probably thicker than that, huh. Ouch, the SuperBrace for our bike is $150+ I looked on ebay, and I'm not crazy about the design/look of any of them, really. I like the Tkat better than the SuperBrace... just for my taste. But I would like to try one! |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/10 at 09:45:17 757A607B67617270787661130 wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you can Routy... http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace.html http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace/brace_pieces.JPG[/quote] Babyhog,... Thanks for the blueprint, and a good one at that. I hate to admitt it, but yep, I can make that. I wish I had a little milling machine, but I can make that on my lathe and a drill press. Trick to that is to cut the blocks in half, or use 2 seperate blocks to avoid the cutting then drill & tap and bolt them back together, then grab it in a 4 jaw and bore it to .003 under the fork dia. And its even 3pc adjustable so no center to center tollerance to hold. Pc a cake :) Now, to find some aluminum material ! [/quote] Routy, if you can make one, I bet you can make a nice piece of change if you sold them here like Ed L. does his Forward Controls. I personally do not need one because of my girder front end, but many folks here I bet would love to get one and not have to pay the high price. I would try to make one myself but I do not have my original front end for test fitting. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Starlifter on 03/30/10 at 11:09:52 It looks like the Tkat listing is gone from the marketplace, and the website. I guess I'll go with the Superbrace. Someone said the fork protectors on the Superbrace do not line up properly and so are not effective and look odd. Does anyone have the Superbrace fork protectors? What is your opinion of their looks and effectiveness? In addition does anyone have the OEM windscreen? How does the OEM stack up against other windscreens on the market? |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by youzguyz on 03/30/10 at 11:34:26 5F786D7E60656A78697E0C0 wrote:
Looks like TKat is still around : http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace.html email address is on that page too. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 11:43:30 I have the super brace with fork protectors they do protect the fork.When you look at the bike straight from the front it looks like they could of been a little more to the center,Really doesn't look bad,And once there on you really never look at them,at least I don't. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Starlifter on 03/30/10 at 11:43:58 Ah-so, thanks....but but now they are saying that the Superbrace works better.... :-? |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 11:47:05 I have had them both and the Super Brace is about 10% best. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/30/10 at 12:46:40 Help,... after looking it over, if a brace is held high enough for fork travel, it will only be 3" below the brace that the headlite mounts on. What am I missing here. Is this right ? What does the brace do that the headlite bracket doesn't just 3" below it ? |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 12:51:56 The brace has nothing to do with fork travel Its 8 inches below the head light |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/10 at 13:07:25 The brace travels w/ the lower fork sections. Its job is to keep them in a straight line at the top, the way the axle does down low. When that happens, the front tire gets pointed more in a straight line, pointing out from the center of the handlebar, IF its put on that way. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 13:10:45 The lower fork section doesn't travel any where |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/10 at 13:59:26 Maybe this will help. This is where a fork brace attaches. http://www.tkat.com/forkbrace/installd.jpg |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/10 at 14:24:32 4A4144441E1F280 wrote:
In relation to the headlight it does. It slides up & down the upper fork tubes. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 14:27:59 292227277D7C4B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/10 at 14:30:11 whatever Bill, whatever... ::) |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 14:32:59 JOG are you telling me you disk brake is sliding up and down too. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/30/10 at 18:31:07 Hey, ok I got the picture ! I guess I should have known better ::) I'm just thinking about making one, so I should at least know where it goes ! ;D Thanks all. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/10 at 18:49:34 747B617A66607371797760120 wrote:
Yeah, I figured instead of people arguing back and forth, just show a picture of where it goes. Makes it much easier. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/10 at 20:02:49 292227277D7C4B0 wrote:
The forks work like a pogo stick, one tube into the other. you know what I meant. Youre tiresomely splitting hairs |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 20:15:26 No I didn't I thought you were mixed up. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by LostArtist on 03/30/10 at 20:25:26 wonder if there's a way just to strengthen the front fender to have it work like a brace?? |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/31/10 at 03:37:50 I was thinking along the same line,.....wondering how much the fork can flex anyway w/ all that stuff bolted across it. But the stats show a brace makes a difference, so I guess I'm convinced. 6C4F5354615254495354200 wrote:
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 03/31/10 at 03:50:54 W/ absolutely nothing better to do, I started thinking about this. Wherever the roadway was theoretically perfectly smooth, fork telescopic travel would be zero,......agreed ? Now, we just went over a speed bump.....at about 30 ! Guess which part of the fork moved, upper or lower ? :-/ ;D 637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
In relation to the headlight it does. It slides up & down the upper fork tubes.[/quote] |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by jlsmedic on 03/31/10 at 04:06:52 dammit...... ive been following this post and got lost yesterday at that exact point ......but now i get it....lolol i guess its just semantics... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: fork brace gallery Post by Stimpy on 03/31/10 at 04:52:54 Can I make one ? Yup, if you have the right tools go for it! It seems that lot of ppl are making their own now because the common garage workshop nowadays simply looks like a nasa lab ;D I'll order (or make) one for my bike this week and tell you soon how it went. 1) Found a bunch of em' on ebay starting at about $20usd: http://shop.ebay.de/i.html?LH_BIN=1&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A2474&_nkw=Gabelstabilisator&_dmpt=Motorrad_Kraftradteile&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=2&_sc=1 2) Look here, I found a guy who already has a fork brace gallery online: http://media.photobucket.com/image/fork%20brace/highveelocity/Fork%20Brace/P1010963.jpg http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9878/telefixforkbrace.jpg http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7757/p1010963j.jpg http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/498/forkbrace2.jpg C'ya! |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/31/10 at 06:05:05 22292C2C7677400 wrote:
Ohh, yea,, I can understand how you might have thot that, since I am so often clearly confused. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 03/31/10 at 06:13:46 +1 |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by babyhog on 03/31/10 at 07:11:18 Stimpy... Your ebay link is GERMAN! LOL I do have a good friend from Germany. She has lived here for over 10 years now, but some of her family is still there. Guess I'll have to get her to translate... LOL |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Stimpy on 03/31/10 at 12:54:05 nah, it's just so you guys see what is available over here, I bet there's 10 times more junk (and cheaper) on ebay US. |
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Title: Re: fork brace gallery Post by Routy on 03/31/10 at 15:44:34 Making one is one thing, but making a pretty one is another ! 64435E5A474E370 wrote:
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by buttgoat1 on 04/03/10 at 06:43:50 I like the tracker style, it does look like it would flex a bit http://www.kinneycycles.com/servlet/the-942/Roland-Sands-Chrome-Front/Detail |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 04/03/10 at 07:24:36 Wow, maybe I can make some money at this. Think they'd sell for 75 bucks w/ out the logal ? Can't say they'd do much for stabalizing the forks, but they'd sure make a good mud scraper ! 485F4C595F585F4C533E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by verslagen1 on 04/03/10 at 07:54:10 626D776C707665676F6176040 wrote:
[/quote] looks like heavy spring steel to me. http://www.kinneycycles.com/media/e/a20792b1261e8e1985bb02_m.jpg |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by verslagen1 on 04/03/10 at 08:05:50 7D7268736F697A78707E691B0 wrote:
In relation to the headlight it does. It slides up & down the upper fork tubes.[/quote] [/quote] You guys are a pain, the lower doesn't travel anywhere? Go back and check your garage, is it there? Not unless you left your bike there, it's attached to your bike and you went somewhere, so it went too. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 04/03/10 at 09:12:14 I only take my fork with me if am planning on eating out. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/10 at 09:16:09 6A6164643E3F080 wrote:
So, for you a fork brace is just a wrist wrap? |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Serowbot on 04/03/10 at 10:43:44 3C2F3839262B2D2F247B4A0 wrote:
It doesn't look as strong as our stock fender to me,... (which is pretty darn beefy, double thick steel)... http://www.kinneycycles.com/media/e/a20792b1261e8e1985bb02_m.jpg |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Serowbot on 04/03/10 at 10:55:37 Putting on my theoretical thinking cap.... ...the bracing is more about reducing fork twist, than equalizing up/down travel.... If uneven up/down travel were occurring in any significant amount,... your front axle nut would soon let you know, by stripping out, or snapping in two... Ooouchie!... :-?... |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by klx650sm2002 on 04/03/10 at 11:43:11 On both my 125 & 350LC Yamahas I fited a tubular fork brace,they had 1/8" plate on the mudguard mounts with two loops of 3/8" tube over the guard and a tube between the two loops in line with tire centerline. The 350 was good but the 125 was better still due to the single disc trying to twist the forks so I would expect a brace of any kind to be good on the Savage. Clive W :) |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 04/03/10 at 12:24:53 I'm w/ others,....if that brace does any good at all, then that blows my whole thinking of what a fork brace would be required to do. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by verslagen1 on 04/03/10 at 12:52:49 Those of you with good balance and no fork brace... Roll up to a stop using only the front brake. Release the brake. What happens? you suddenly loose your balance. why... unequal fork flex riding down the road... http://www.superbrace.com/simulation.html Fork braces holds the top of the sliders at constant distance. This makes the sliders support each other and the main tubes as well. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Truckinduc on 04/08/10 at 13:26:24 thats not all the brace does. I use braces for a totally different reason. Try this little test. Stand in front of the bike looking at it. Hold the front wheel with your legs. Now try to turn the handle bars. The SHOULDNT turn, but guess what, they do. This is just normal flex in the forks. Braces eliminate most of that. The same thing is basically happening when you ride down the road. The wheel being a gyroscope it doesn't want to turn. Fork braces help turn in and front end feel. But most savages are not ridden hard enough for that to matter. Here is the fork brace I started today. http://i41.tinypic.com/288sd4.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/21mwx03.jpg http://filebox.vt.edu/users/maperez/Render1.jpg |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by LostArtist on 04/08/10 at 13:51:46 how much for one of them?? :D |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Truckinduc on 04/08/10 at 15:36:09 well it wont fit the savage. Im making it for the Honda CBR 900RR front end thats on my savage. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 04/08/10 at 15:41:48 He probably has the easy part done. You mite have to wait a few more hrs for a price. Even for a genuine machinist, making just 1 can be very time consuming. And the fun part,....one wrong move, you could have to start over ! :'( 0A2935320734322F3532460 wrote:
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Truckinduc on 04/09/10 at 20:40:06 your exactly right Routy. This design I did was meant to be one off. Its very labor intensive and wouldn't make sense to mass produce. Im already about 4.5 hours into this one. The sheetmetal part should be fun. http://i41.tinypic.com/24zyo7q.jpg |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Truckinduc on 04/12/10 at 19:12:48 finished. about 6 hours total. But im pleased with the result. Weighs very little and is very stiff. http://i41.tinypic.com/2czbrbk.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/9k31ib.jpg |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by verslagen1 on 04/12/10 at 19:15:59 Thing of beauty. don't forget drain holes. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by buttgoat1 on 04/13/10 at 04:56:42 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
So, for you a fork brace is just a wrist wrap?[/quote] just bolt on a spork...... |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Routy on 04/13/10 at 05:25:30 Beautiful ! That could have taken me 4 times that long,.... and that would be after I bought a small milling machine :-/ |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Stimpy on 04/26/10 at 08:57:43 wow, just wow. 8-) http://i41.tinypic.com/2czbrbk.jpg |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by bill67 on 04/26/10 at 10:00:49 That wouldn't work on and s40 it would have to be curved or built down were it hits the fork. |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by Oldnewguy on 04/27/10 at 04:37:35 Bringing this up tp top so I don't loose it. :D |
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Title: Re: fork brace Post by buttgoat1 on 04/27/10 at 19:25:10 my idea on the tracker style brace is to take a piece of flat stock, bend it to the approximate shape over the fender (I want to keep mine) and then weld some 1/4' square stock to the under front and rear edges (so it looks like a channel in section) add some lightening holes and poof..... |
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