|
SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> absolutely horrific /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1269571511 Message started by verslagen1 on 03/25/10 at 19:45:11 |
|
Title: absolutely horrific Post by verslagen1 on 03/25/10 at 19:45:11 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100326/ap_on_re_us/us_motorcycle_crash;_ylt=Aj1UR9Svtir2pdDZZ7i0shRk24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTM4OGN0NWhsBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMzI2L3VzX21vdG9yY3ljbGVfY3Jhc2gEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDM3Bob2VuaXhtb3Rv |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by JohnBoy on 03/25/10 at 19:54:35 I hate to say this but motorcycle death is almost daily out here. I have been riding in Phoenix for ten years and I have been run down three times. Sooner or later they will finish the job...but I will ride till they do. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Serowbot on 03/25/10 at 19:54:53 Carefree Highway.... ironic... |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by verslagen1 on 03/25/10 at 20:09:41 more info... http://www.azcentral.com/video/#/News/Fatal+motorcycle+crash+in+north+Phoenix/40280768001/35150280001/73899650001 |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Midnightrider on 03/25/10 at 20:40:29 My condolences to their families and loved ones. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Starlifter on 03/25/10 at 21:31:10 Absolutely horrific is the only way to describe such carnage. My heart breaks for the riders and their families....I hope the truck driver will pay and pay for this by reliving this hellish event every time he lies down to sleep for the night. May this haunt him for the rest of his days. :'( |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by RidgeRunner13 on 03/25/10 at 21:54:13 Well, folks, I feel sad for all involved. And having family members who were involved in the trucking industry for years I'm not so quick to throw a driver under the bus, so to speak. If he was drunk or on drugs, that's one thing, but if he was distracted by something, I say there but for the grace of God. Everyone I know has had a close call at some time that but for a few inches & a little luck could have put us in a similar position. He will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life, & for some that can be harder on them & their families than a death sentence. It may just be a very tragic accident for all concerned. It will certainly effect the lives of the drivers' family who were also innocent in this accident. :( All in all, a life-altering event in the many lives involved no matter how it happened. :'( Having known a gentleman who through no fault of his own killed a young man in an accident & seeing it destroy his life over a period of 5 years gives me a different perspective on this, I guess. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by jlsmedic on 03/25/10 at 22:32:44 Being from Tucson and working at our trauma center I see lots of this on a daily basis except some form of stupidity is involved. Im very saddened to see a fellow firefighter go down like that. My condolences to family and friends. This is just another reminder that we have to watch out in EVERY direction and keep our head on a swivel when riding. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Paladin. on 03/25/10 at 22:36:46 I've been rear-ended four times -- all in cages, all with me stopped in traffic. On the bike I stay in gear and pointed at an escape hole while watching for any incoming. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by skatnbnc on 03/26/10 at 05:34:11 Yesterday I was almost rear ended by a lady talking on her cell phone. I THANKFULLY had seen either Paladin and/or other persons post suggestions to always have an OUT in traffic, so when I saw her coming in the rearview, and NOT slowing down, I was already in gear and watching, so I immediatley zipped up the left side of the car in front of me. SHE HIT THAT CAR and rear-ended them instead of me!! Hard enough to crumple her hood too. :o Always have an OUT. Thank you guys for posting that and for saving my bike ! and me! 8-) |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by babyhog on 03/26/10 at 05:45:43 746C667369656964070 wrote:
WOW! Good for you and your quick thinking and attention! I bet you were shaken up, but I'm glad you are OK! |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by 12Bravo on 03/26/10 at 06:31:07 Also look out for people getting off the interstate. Monday afternoon, I had a lady come up the exit ramp and run right through the yield sign. She never seen me until my handle bars almost hit the drivers window. Needless to say, I got scared and my right leg jerked out. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/26/10 at 06:53:10 457E7370724562797972652624170 wrote:
I have to agree with ridgerunner on this one. Unfortunately, my oldest brother who is a truck driver had an accident a few years ago in South Dakota. It was a white out that just snuck up on him and he ended up rear ending a white car stopped in the middle of the highway. He tried to put the rig in the ditch but it was too late. Unfortunately three people were killed in the car and it haunts him to this day. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by photojoe on 03/26/10 at 07:30:01 52415657484543414A15240 wrote:
Read it online in my local paper's website. Not what I wanted to see first thing in the morning. Yes, it can happen that fast, to any of us. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by gerald.hughes on 03/26/10 at 08:55:18 6E55585B596E495252594E0D0F3C0 wrote:
In looking at the pictures, and reading the account, what strikes me most is no skid marks. The driver didn't just collide with a bike, he ran over six bikes. The dump was empty, so it wasn't that he was rolling heavy and couldn't stop. Have to wonder if he wasn't after one of the riders. Just a thought. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Serowbot on 03/26/10 at 08:59:25 Probably texting... |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/10 at 10:26:52 After reading the story here http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/north/story/PD-4th-person-dies-after-HUGE-wreck-on-Carefree/VwL7ONcC50ut3E2abcC4Qg.cspx I hope the driver of that truck gets nailed hard with vehicular manslaughter. The above link also has a slide show of the riders who died and the accident scene. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by babyhog on 03/30/10 at 10:48:22 Wow, thanks for the link. Says one of the guys was a Fire Captain. I feel for the rescue workers who get called to accidents and find someone they know, personally. My son is in college taking Paramedic Science. He has already seen it as a volunteer fireman. My heart aches for these people and their families.... terrible, terrible, terrible. And the driver of that truck already had many violations... his license should have already been jerked. Hopefully justice will prevail this time.... |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by babyhog on 03/30/10 at 10:55:24 This article - http://www.azcentral.com/community/northvalley/articles/2010/03/26/20100326phoenix-motorcycle-crash-folo0326.html - says that an employee of nearby Walgreens spoke with the driver of the truck, and he said he wasn't paying attention, was shuffling paperwork..... Holy cow... :( |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/10 at 10:56:43 No problem, I was checking the AMA (American Motorcyclist Association) website and they had a link giving their condolences for the riders and the link to the story I just posted. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/10 at 11:02:42 2122232E2C364F0 wrote:
Definitely can be charged with either negligent homicide or vehicular manslaughter. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/10 at 11:19:12 Going to coin a new phrase 'You don't know JS but you better watchout for him' "Jakscht currently has two pending speeding tickets, both issued this month." I hope they throw the whole library at him, one at a time. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Starlifter on 03/30/10 at 11:29:30 Prison. Nothing less. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 13:05:29 What we don't know is what kind of BS those bikers were pulling,I have seen some bikers pull some pretty good Sh$t when there in a group. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/10 at 13:08:05 They were stopped at a traffic light when the truck rear ended them. Read the story Bill. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 13:13:13 What were they doing before they stoped |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by babyhog on 03/30/10 at 13:33:12 No matter what they were doing, nothing could have been bad enough to warrant being driven over and dragged 75 feet! |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 13:39:16 We don't know maybe he was beat up by a motorcycle gang at one time and just blew his cool. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 13:42:19 Look at that young girl who hung herself because a gang of kids kept after her. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/10 at 14:21:41 [quote - says that an employee of nearby Walgreens spoke with the driver of the truck, and he said he wasn't paying attention, was shuffling paperwork..... Holy cow... :( [/quote] Doesnt look like he was focused on one, or any of the bikes. Was trying to keep up with the demands of his job. You know, like all the jobs weve had where we are expected to daily produce more than one man can do w/o running yourself cray. Before I put the man in jail, Id want to know how manyhours he has been working & how much crap he has to do every single day. For all I know, he is dancing as fast as he can, loves people more than himself & is rteady to hang himself out of remorse. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by bill67 on 03/30/10 at 14:47:54 That must have been a tall employee that could see up in truck at what he was doing. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by babyhog on 03/30/10 at 19:23:42 686366663C3D0A0 wrote:
I believe the employee said she talked to him afterward, and that's what HE TOLD her. I'd have to read the story again, since apparently, you didn't read it. And also, I'm memory serves, it was a city truck, or business of some kind, so the driver may have been driving for his living, but that's even more reason that he should be more alert while driving! He should be held to a higher standard if he drives for a living! Sorry, I'm trying to feel bad for the guy, but just can't seem to find any reason yet. I understand work pressures and stresses. Maybe more will come out later and change my mind. I'm just not feeling it right now. It was an accident, most likely, and a terrible one. But I still have to blame the driver until something comes out otherwise. And I don't normally jump to conclusions. I guess this one just hit me all wrong. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/10 at 20:04:52 Bill, sometimes youre funny...lately, not so much, IMO. Please, if youre gonna comment, at least read the posts. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Tiefighterpilot on 04/01/10 at 21:28:23 00313C3134393E500 wrote:
Good plan... I am new and will be doing this from now on. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by mick on 04/01/10 at 21:45:07 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
I have made no comment on this thread, I was warned by the title. I didn't see it,and I don't want to. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by kimchris1 on 04/01/10 at 22:28:05 This was on the news the other day and broke my heart. I have had family members involved in the trucking business most of my life. I can't vouch for all truck drivers, yet the ones I know are careful and take their share of crap from other drivers of various vehicles as well. I would like to think that the driver did not have any intension of harming any of them. All drivers no matter the type of vehicle their driving, need to pay better attention to what is going on all around them. My heart goes out to all the victim's and their families. :'( |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by mick on 04/02/10 at 01:35:32 6F6D69676C766D7735040 wrote:
kim, I was in the trucking business a few years,and to my suprise I found most truck drivers to be god awful, many are wired on bennies, I have seen many doing lines of coke at truck stops, once parked for the night ,drinking whisky,and vodka. In a Utah weigh station myself and two others were pulled over for random drug test ,2 of us drove away,one guy didn't pass, that's pretty bad,one out of three dui . So please don't kid your self. I'm sure there are some good ones out there ,as for me I stay as far away as possible. If and when you come accross a big crash and tie up on the super slab,there is usually a semi involved. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by John_D FSO on 04/02/10 at 02:54:30 4A777B787779766A7B6C6E7772716A1E0 wrote:
Good plan... I am new and will be doing this from now on.[/quote] Yep, good idea, I always do this. They even taught it in our MSF course. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by kimchris1 on 04/02/10 at 05:58:26 Mick, I said I couldn't vouch for all truck drivers. I am aware that their are ones that drive trucks that make bad decisions. We can't assume all are careless and class them together. Remember we get offended or at least I do when classed together with the non caring, racing stunts that other bike riders pull. My eyes as well as my mind are opened.. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by bill67 on 04/02/10 at 06:14:14 One lesson learned here when your on a motorcycle keep your fingers to yourself. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/10 at 09:43:19 I stop my car far enough back from who ever is in front to be able to turn & go around them, JIC they should have a problem or in case someone is about to smack me in the rear. I may or may not be able to turn & find a safe way out, but I can at least scoot up & have a go at getting out of the way. 3 feet back? No hope.. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Jay on 04/03/10 at 06:34:29 554D475248444845260 wrote:
Glad you made it out of that situation. Might, as a witness, let the rear ended driver know to have his insurance company subpenea that cell phone records of the driver. Seen some that will swear up and down they were not on the phone when they crashed. When will cell phones in vehicles be outlawed?! |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/10 at 08:32:50 202B33263A7B7B4A0 wrote:
Glad you made it out of that situation. Might, as a witness, let the rear ended driver know to have his insurance company subpenea that cell phone records of the driver. Seen some that will swear up and down they were not on the phone when they crashed. When will cell phones in vehicles be outlawed?![/quote] Hopefully, they will never be outlawed. Hopefully, instead of laws to Control behavior, we will, instead, have laws that hold people accountable for the results of their actions. IOW, talk on it all you like, BUT, IF you are At Fault in an accident, While talking on the phone, You Gonna PAY. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Jay on 04/04/10 at 01:33:26 Justin, I see your point, and I can see some situations that cell phone use might be warranted. However, waiting til someone is assessed as being "at fault" in a justice system that is as shifty as ours is, allows for far too many people to potentially get away with murder, or at least hurting someone for life. At that point, making someone pay won't restore life or function. I'm all for civil liberties, but there are some things that are just too dangerous to be allowed. Personally, I put cell phone use while driving in that category, both talking and texting. Many will disagree, and have their reasons to do so. I respect that, but I also stand by my opinion, and that's what it is, my opinion. It's based on studies showing the distraction level of drivers using cell phones, and my own personal experience on the road trying not to become a statistic. I want to get home to my family, not provide an opportunity for my wife to make someone pay after I'm gone or permanently disabled. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/10 at 01:47:33 Okay, we disagree. I can live with that! :) |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Yonuh Adisi on 04/11/10 at 17:48:27 Update on this horrible accident. It appears the truck driver was on meth. http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=1878 |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Reelthing on 04/11/10 at 18:01:03 .357 to the forehead and be done with it |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Starlifter on 04/11/10 at 18:14:25 Too quick...F**k him up real good first. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by JohnBoy on 04/11/10 at 20:47:45 My heart goes out to the families of the dead. Phoenix is a very dangerous place to ride. Arizona lost 146 people in 2006 motorcycle fatalities, mostly in Phoenix, and probably twice that last year. Outside the Phoenix and Tucson metro areas you have the roads to yourself, but inside the metro areas your life is on a razor's edge. Not only do you risk life and limb, but the odds that the person that hits you will actually have insurance are slim and none. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by Yonuh Adisi on 05/13/10 at 08:56:54 Just got my new AMA magazine in today. Update on this story. The truck driver's bail has been set at one million dollars and he is being charged with four counts of man slaughter, five counts of aggravated assault, and seven counts of endangerment. He may be charged with impaired driving because toxicology reported meth in his system at time of crash. |
|
Title: Re: absolutely horrific Post by youzguyz on 05/17/10 at 15:10:39 Normally, I don't "bang a gong". But, if you are riding this Sunday, please check this out: http://www.meetup.com/Worldwide-Motorcycle-Awareness-Ride/ Ride Safe, Ride Often |
|
SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2! YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved. |