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Title: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Rocco on 03/08/10 at 10:50:38 just curious, stock we're around 33hp and 50torque(mine's a '95) SO after bumping the pilot from 45 to i think 52.5, a debaffled sportster muffler, and a k&n what do you think she's doing now? she is def faster, but did i gain a bunch with these or no? not looking for crazy gains, just curious lol |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by verslagen1 on 03/08/10 at 11:22:05 Just curious... tryin' to impress someone? Do a standing 60 and tell us what you got. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/08/10 at 11:31:42 330E02020E610 wrote:
You gained power on high end and lost on low end power. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Serowbot on 03/08/10 at 12:50:02 Real world stock is more like 27 or 28hp... You may be at 30 to 32... if you go to a 150 or 152.5 main...and do the spacer mod... being at near sea level in Florida, and uncorking the intake and exhaust, will probably make you lean.... With the stock main, you may be down on horsies,... Loud sound can give the illusion of more power... I have a 150/50 main/pilot, spacer at 2/3...with a K/N and stock Sporty muffler.. at 2500ft elevation You might try a 152.5/52 with 2/3 spacer... for sea level and with muffler debaffled... |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by diamond jim on 03/08/10 at 16:58:33 I got 33hp and 36 torque but that's with the Kamikaze II intake, tweaked exhaust and perfect jetting for my bike and for where I live. Stock hp is about 28-29. I think I've squeaked out about the most one can get for under $100. Most get to 32 hp with a tuned Supertrapp and correct jetting. But those are out of my price range. The new cam and performance carb you give you the biggest bang. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Phelonius on 03/08/10 at 18:08:33 I always thought the Savage engine was rated in mule power. After all it is a torquer. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by thumperclone on 03/08/10 at 20:11:32 6F575A535051564A4C3F0 wrote:
i always thought its a thumper :D |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Oldfeller on 03/08/10 at 20:15:08 thumpers ? ?? ?? rabbit power !! naw, too small ... mebbe we should measure it in 'roos ? joeypower ? Mine doesn't thump any more .... it snarls instead 35 tiggers ? Yep -- that's the ticket !! "bouncy, bouncy, fun fun fun !!" |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Rocco on 03/08/10 at 20:54:10 ahahhahahhah i think it is 52 and a 152.5 main, i have no clue, i did whatever i was supposed to lol i was just curious, she gets pretty good off the line though, mine is now rated in turtles lol |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/10 at 23:28:51 W/O a dyno, best I can tell, the only way to really know if a mod increased performance is to do several timed runs of 0 - 60 & top end & on different days, to allow the differences the weather creates to be factored in Befrore doing the mod. Then, same tests on days with similar weather( I.E.: Temp/humidity) after the mod. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/09/10 at 02:35:51 To me the only way to know if you increase your performance is in high gear roll ons against someone else,You can do it at difference speeds.Seat of the pants and exhaust noise is wishful thinking. My brother and I have been doing that on snowmobiles and motorcycles for almost 40 years. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/10 at 05:23:16 585356560C0D3A0 wrote:
Sooooo, whut ya sayin here, Bill? YOu sayin my way of testing wont work? |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/09/10 at 05:26:52 0-60 will only give you the high end performance not the low in,The low end and middle range is whats used in a motorcycle 99% of the time.No your way is no good at all. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/10 at 05:30:47 Really? I thot the low end was what we used to get thru a 0-60 run in short order. If I got no Grunt, Im not getting to 60 very quick, right? & besides, I was trying to explain how to see if a Mod Gained or Lost. If I test before & after, as I stated, then cant I grade the effectiveness of the mod? |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/09/10 at 05:43:51 Once your above 20 mph you are no longer in your low grunt stage. when your in low gear. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/10 at 05:46:51 0-60 time would be a worthwhile "rough yardstick" for us to compare our bikes when posting back & forth. We just need to develop a method to accurately and consistently time it. Now, when we are all up in the mountains together this summer I can see one of us going up on an overpass with a video camera and filming a group off in the distance at a start line. Somebody sounds a horn and THEY'RE OFF ... riding directly towards the overpass. This way you can have a visual record of who gets off the line better but loses his ass in the top end run up. You also have a historical document to refer to the performance of the various levels of mods that we do as just about all of them will be up there. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/09/10 at 05:56:10 You will also find who is the best rider,Maybe not the fastest bike,high gear roll on give the power the bike puts out, rider really as no influence on it.When they dyno test a bike they don't go threw the gears to see how much power it has. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by LANCER on 03/09/10 at 05:57:47 =0-60 time gives a clue to part of the range =roll-ons that are timed from a specific speed to a higher specific speed also gives clues for other parts of the rang =1/4 mi speed and time shows another aspect of the machines capability they all have their place then there is the dyno...in the shop or a mobile device like the Veypor which is proven to be quite accurate. The raw data from the unit is downloaded into the VAS program and is converted into usable information. You can look at an assortment of performance values and data on a literal second by second basis as it happened during any type of performance run. It is a remarkable device and downright cheap compared to other makes of quality digital speedo's and tach's from other companies. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/10 at 06:00:10 You make good points, Bill. But, the question was, How can I know if a mod actually helped? Your way may work better, but mine would work, I think. But, from a purely practical aproach, Id give a thumbs up to your idea. Gawwwwd that was hard to type! ;) |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/09/10 at 06:03:52 The wider the powerband the better a engine will perform,Thats why they went to 4 valve heads in a lot of bikes and cars.To have a wide power band in a S40 you need tuned pipe and air intake,Suzuki makes it,Its the stock pipe and air box.Suzuki didn't get that muffler and air box out of a bunch things they had laying around. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/09/10 at 06:06:10 JOG when you ride to town do you go 0-60 stop 0-60 stop 0-60 stop 0-60 or do you ride in high gear. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/10 at 06:32:36 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
What do you want Bill, ya Ol Crank. I done said You Win.. That said, my trips include some 0- 60 runs & some wide open runs. I ride roads with 1st gear climbing turns. Where I live, theres places & roads to do it all. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Rocco on 03/09/10 at 07:05:28 i didn't mean to start a heated discussion gentlemen! lol i love performance, but on my first bike i just don't want to get run over when being the first @ a stoplight :o |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Charon on 03/09/10 at 07:07:42 I think Bill is both right and wrong. A broad power band makes the machine easy to ride, while a narrow power band and lots of gear selections makes the machine (given a competent rider) faster on a track. The four-valve head gives better breathing at higher engine speeds, while a two-valve head usually gives better torque at lower speeds - where most car engines run on the road. There are at least a couple of automotive engines on the road which deactivate some of the valves at low engine speeds to try to get the best of both worlds. A tuned pipe, either on the intake or exhaust, tends to make the power band narrower, because of resonances in the pipe. The reason expansion chambers on two-stroke engines are tapered is to try to widen the power band. A longer taper results in a broader and less "peaky" power band. A straight pipe is nearly the worst possible configuration in terms of being peaky, because there will only be one engine speed where its resonances match the engine speed. Motorcycle makers spend a lot of time and effort trying to make power bands usable over wide rpm ranges, which might even involve tuning the intake for one speed and the exhaust for another to smooth the torque curve. Fortunately, long-stroke engines such as the S40 and most of the V-twins have a fairly low maximum speed, so the job is easier. The 0-60 and the 1/4 mile tests both are highly dependent on driver technique. The high-gear roll-on pretty much removes technique. All of the tests are dependent on driver and machine weight. All of them test the system only at wide-open throttle, and not much riding is done at wide-open throttle. In terms of carburetion, that means the only thing checked is the main jet. And for those with modifications, it will be very difficult to do a before-and-after comparison. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/09/10 at 08:12:56 With a 4 valve head you don't lose the bottom end torque like you would going to 2 bigger valves,4 valve is to give to good top end power without losing low in power. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/10 at 08:41:20 All points are valid, but at the end of the day the one who rides away from the rest has the best deal going .... You forgot rider/bike weight as a factor -- given same engine output less mass accelerates faster. Now Lancer is a small light dude on a powerful bike, so he will be tough to beat. Shifting skill is part of the game, not an exception to the game. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Serowbot on 03/09/10 at 11:52:06 You should measure power with something less than a horse,... that way it sounds like more... 30 horses... 87 Huskies... 672 jackrabbits... 2,347 squirrels... 96,433 bumble bees.... Impressive... ;) |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/10 at 12:14:30 87 bhp (big huskey power) I like it. 8-) |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by LANCER on 03/09/10 at 15:46:40 51727A787B72727B6C1E0 wrote:
Well, at 5'6" I am small for sure; but tipping the scales at 199.9 lbs this morning I wouldn't say I was exactly light. ::) If I am successful in reducing my unsprung mass down to a more healthy and managable 160-165 lbs then I would be willing to consider myself on the lighter side once again ... but it has been a long time since I was in that range. ;D |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by diamond jim on 03/09/10 at 16:22:12 71525A585B52525B4C3E0 wrote:
For the stock motor group, my money is on my bike and the new owner. ;) |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Rocco on 03/09/10 at 22:29:15 hahahaha lancer i just had a check up and i weight about 185ish lol so 5'6", 185, on my savage, glad i took the chrome rails off, cuz i put the weight right back on!! BTW i went to bike night tonight, and a guy was ecstatic to see another savage! in a sea of crotch rockets there were 2 savages!! lol imagine that! he was about 6'2 and a little on the chunky side, stock bike so i'd imagine i'd win! i mentioned the site to him, maybe he'll join! my buddy just bought a '95 honda magna, a v4!! how crazy is that?!?! so the sportster, i, and the magna all went for a cruise!! |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by LANCER on 03/10/10 at 04:03:19 4C41494547464C424145280 wrote:
For the stock motor group, my money is on my bike and the new owner. ;)[/quote] I will vote for that ! 8-) |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by LANCER on 03/10/10 at 04:08:59 6C515D5D513E0 wrote:
Good to hear, it is great when you find another Savage'r but cruising with anyone is a good thing. Just a personal note, work on loosing the extra pounds now while you are young because it is soooooooooo much harder to do when you get older, and especially if you also have to deal with diabetes because it adds another level of difficulty. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/10 at 04:23:12 Steer clear of the fake sweeteners, like aspartame. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Rocco on 03/10/10 at 07:12:44 last night was the first time my woman was with me during a group ride, and she said it's alot more fun with a bunch of people! lancer i completely agree, but luckily the weight went into my arms and chest, the doctor said everything is perfect, and i can stay @ this weight or lose! i had been trying to gain weight for a long time, whey protein, i was drinking heavy whipping cream(milk fat), energy drinks and working out everyday! i couldn't gain a pound like that! so i stopped all of that, and only do weights 3 times a week now, no more energy drinks too! the dr. said the energy drinks sped up my metabolism so much nothing could stick! and working out everday overworked the muscle....weird huh?! |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by diamond jim on 03/10/10 at 10:33:35 407D71717D120 wrote:
Yeah, I had that problem once when I was about 18. It lasted maybe a day! Then my body did a 180! :D |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by jabman on 03/11/10 at 05:31:35 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
what's wrong with em |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by wolfmrp on 03/11/10 at 07:59:34 212A29262A254B0 wrote:
what's wrong with em [/quote] The body uses a process called cephalic phase reflex (think Pavlovian response). When we taste sweet, the body automatically releases hormones and changes its metabolism in preparation for the nutritive and caloric intake of sugar. When it does not get it, your body get very confused. Artificial sweeteners actually cause weight gain and can really mess things up systemically. Use real sugar in moderation and your body will be a lot happier. On the other end of the spectrum please stay away from high-fructose corn syrup. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/10 at 09:28:13 They are straight up poison, too. Aspartame contains what will break down in us to be the equivalent of wood alcohol. Note that `Aspartame was rejected by the FDA until Rumsfeld bought into the company that makes it, then suddenly, it was okay.. |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Skid Mark on 03/11/10 at 15:18:09 I'm 5'4" and now weigh in at 175lb. Back in Oct. 2009 I was 195lb. I started exercising 3 time a week and cut back on the stupid snacks. The exercising is .5 hr on an eliptical and .5 hr doing weights ( resistance) on a bowflex. I have tons more energy, feel much better and actually fit in my clothes. The goal is a svelt 160. Possibly by the end of the summer. It is worth all the effort!! |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by bill67 on 03/11/10 at 16:25:40 I'm 5 6 I have went most my life between 160-170. Once I retired I think I got a little heaver I don't have a scale,I started riding bicycle 5 miles a day and then started working out at the YMCA 1 hour 5 days a week,I don't work hard but I do some,Last summer I weight at the YMCA and I was 149,I'm up to 163 now but once I can ride bicycle again I should lose some weight.I weighted 150 when I got out of high school,In 1957.My bike was really fast last summer. ;D |
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Title: Re: how many horses??!?!?! Post by Rocco on 03/11/10 at 21:21:36 hahahhaa glad i like minimalism, because i weight the same as a stock savage with parts removed lol i wanna tighten my mid section a little, but if it stays the way it is, i won't complain too much, the extra hitting power is def welcomed! now when i'm back in school, working nights, teachin karate and trying to be with my fiance, lol i'm sure some weight will drop off! |
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