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Title: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/05/10 at 19:00:46 Anybody have a GS petcock? They make repair kits for these. If they match up, we got a way to repair them. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by BurnPgh on 03/05/10 at 19:18:22 We already got two ways to fix them. Convert to manual and/or chuck it for the raptor660 petcock. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/05/10 at 19:53:46 This attitude is what's wrong with this forum. 'I got nothing positive to add but I got a bucket load of sh!t' |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Routy on 03/05/10 at 20:31:47 I for one would not want to do away w/ the diaphram valve shutoff feature. If not available, what stops a person from cutting a new diaphram from diaphram material. I remember years ago my dad would cut out and replace diaphrams in those little twin diaphram air compressors. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by BurnPgh on 03/05/10 at 20:33:48 1st - excuse the sh!t out of me. From now on I'll check with you before posting just to be sure my opinion is agreeable to you. Or contact an admin and have me removed for...? Lack of interest in essentially fruitless tinkering? 2nd - My post was half joking. The other half...I don't see a point in repairing and prolonging the use of a petcock thats more complicated and prone to failure than is necessary. 3rd - If you don't like the forum all of a sudden no one is making you stay. You've contributed a great deal here and I appreciate that more than you imagine but if you feel your time and efforts in doing so were misplaced then as i said...no one is making you stay. You can take my bucket of sh!t with you if you like. Or you can find a new solution to a problem thats been solved twice over already. 4th - Ive grown to expect this snippity kind of crap from mick and gort from time to time, but you? Here's something positive to add...cabin fever got you down or irritable? Go to the library and get a book or two instead of belittling fellow members posts and opinions. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/05/10 at 21:15:31 Now that's funny. ;D |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/05/10 at 21:40:10 Well,.. that was fun... ;D Gotta' say, I'm with Burn on this one... that Raptor petcock fits so good, and is definitely a simpler, more reliable mechanism,.. and makes tank removal so much easier... well worth $25 smackers... BTW,.. Routy... cutting a new diaphragm don't work... it has a molded in, metal stopper thingy (Yes,.. I actually said, thingy!)... PS... the GS fuel thingy looks very different... am I looking at the right one?... http://fiche.ronayers.com/Index.cfm/Module/Main/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/YearID/31/Year/1990/ModelID/6311/Model/GS500E/GroupID/259193/Group/FUEL_thingy |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/05/10 at 21:46:30 They come in all shapes and sizes, try this one... http://my.auctioncamera.com/listener/thumbnail.php?width=300&height=180&member=acuser043&file=S1360_3.jpg I think this kit would work... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FUEL-PETCOCK-KIT-GS300-GS450-GS550-GR650-GS650-GS700-GS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem439dcbdd49QQitemZ290410192201QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_2574wt_894 |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/05/10 at 21:56:31 Well, if there's a kit for it,... it might work... How much is the kit?... If it's close to $20,... I'd rather get a Raptor and be done with it... |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/05/10 at 22:02:29 $20 for the kit, $10 for the diaphram. what you do is up to you isn't it. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/05/10 at 22:07:02 Yup... |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Digger on 03/06/10 at 18:02:41 5562657947707F170 wrote:
Burn, The way I see it, there are lots of relatively young and new riders who are drawn to the Savage. Lots of 'em really like the vacuum shutoff function of the OEM petcock (IF it's working correctly.....oftentimes a big if). Us old school bikers don't care. I'm currently rocking a Raptor petcock on mine (see signature) and love it. However, I fully understand and respect those who would really like a cost-effective solution to keeping the OEM petcock stock and fully functioning. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 03/06/10 at 20:17:52 The GS kit might not work. :-/ I was thinking of doing the same thing. I downloaded a bunch of pictures of the GS klt. then looked at the pict's of in the tech section for the converting the LS petcock to manual and noticed that the metal part is slightly different. I also remember that someone said that GS Petcock diaphram is slightly larger. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/06/10 at 22:11:01 It would make sense that the GS petcock is larger, it has to tap a smaller carb. I found a list http://www.sudco.com/k&lfuelsuz.html It lists the GR650 tempter on it, and that diaphram is used in all the 650's and a lot of others. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Stones on 03/07/10 at 00:36:28 Damm thought there was gonna be a fight there for a minute :-? Handbags at 20 paces and all that lmfao ;D |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Oldfeller on 03/07/10 at 02:14:19 No, this testiness happens ever year about this time ..... spring fever is gonna get grip on a whole bunch of us around this point in time. Me. I'm sick of being inside. I am also fighting being testy too, so I post less (and pull more after reading them the next day). Verslagen, I probably merited your comment to Burn more than he did so I'll take my share of it to heart -- we should intentionally try to see the positive side of things 'round here and not focus on the negative. See, I'm gonna try to be little suzie sunshine for the rest of this spring fever season. ============ Hey, and try to be aware of all the newbies, guys. Here we are, all grumpy from being inside during the nasty tag end of a hard winter and here comes another crop of new persons with newbie perceptions on old problems, so we kinda naturally want to grump at them a bit since they "volunteered" for it .... Self-control, and perception -- always something to be a'working on. ============ And yeah, I likely was the one that put Verslagen's panties in a bunch for saying a negativity or three so yeah, he has a reason to be like that. It's grump season and he don't understand why we are being so all fired negative right now. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by JohnBoy on 03/07/10 at 10:47:09 I don't speak for Verslagen, and I am sorry if I am out of turn, but as I read this string the man was trying to help the rest of us. I read the post here to learn what "can" be done. We all know many of the things that we can do, and some that we must do, to make our bikes run like they should. If anyone has another trick...I want to hear it. To say "We already have a fix for that" misses the point. I come here to learn from the rest of you, so keep up the good work! |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/07/10 at 11:40:08 282C2550585751610 wrote:
No, I'll take trashcan races, winner gets to pull the looser, monkeys flip for driver. Sorry for being testy, I was really taken aback for trying return the bike to OEM status. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Routy on 03/07/10 at 13:37:15 My 2 cents of what I thought .....? Versl was trying to help Burn wasn't all that serious in what he said. Versl's grouchy remark was a little uncalled for...... Burn's reply to that could have said the same thing in a nicer way. But,......all I really know is that I would do all I could to keep that valve, as long as it was affordable. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by RidgeRunner13 on 03/07/10 at 14:06:47 There are days when some on here argue about the color of the sky. ::) And the next day they're all friendly again. ;D Go figure? 8-) I never let it bother me cause I can always quit reading it. ;) YOU choose how you let it effect you. ::) |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/07/10 at 14:10:36 ok, ok, everybody form a straight line... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_GJkKMPHxw |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Dj12midnit on 03/07/10 at 14:32:55 I for one have a hard time remembering to turn it off and take the keys after a long day. How am I going to remember to turn off the fuel? |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/07/10 at 14:48:22 My Raptor's been on for nearly a year,... I never turn it off, except to remove the tank or do carb work... All my other bikes had manual petcocks and I never shut them off either... You could potentially have a problem,...but I never did... It's about as likely as having your vacuum operated petcock go bad, and has the same result... Oh,... wait,.. I did have that happen,... twice.... :-? ...on two different Savages.... :-? Now,.. Everybody form a circle... ;D [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0qiWq0hNgg[/media] |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Digger on 03/07/10 at 20:01:00 4A5C4B564E5B564D390 wrote:
Yep. It all boils down to, "How lucky do you feel?" I've used up about all of my allotted luck over the years and need to stack as many of the odds in my favor as I can these days! I try to remember to shut my Raptor petcock off at the end of the day. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by jabman on 03/08/10 at 23:15:53 a decent fuel filter should stop the valve from sticking shouldn't it? |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/10 at 23:36:21 errrrm, no. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/10 at 20:03:36 Got a reply from the seller in canada. DIA-0 is the one you want. You can find it here: http://www.siriusconinc.com/pro-detail.php?pid=&product_id=1525 Shipping is resonable, $5 flat rate for small stuff. order a air cut off valve, carb kit and petcock kit and getrshipped for $5. Picture is a little iffy, I'd wait till the other guy chimes in. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/10 at 22:50:47 The other guy replied too. http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=1507 Hole center to center is 26.8mm or 1.055" close enough Hole diameter is 4.31mm or 0.170" close enough The O-ring on the end is 7.55mm or 0.297" 7.49 close enough To the end of the plunger is 11.82mm or 0.466" overall plunger length 16.64mm From rubber diaphragm to tip of plunger on the O-ring side 12.0mm, so roughly 4mm sticking out other side. The body of the plunger is 10mm or 0.394" 9.97 close enough The diaphram measures 36.4mm or 1.433" square. 37.28 $18 for the kit $6 shipping Doesn't look like he sells just the diaphram, but most likely you need the whole kit anyway. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by jabman on 03/10/10 at 01:02:30 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
a fuel filter worked ok on my dirtbike with a manual fuel tap flooding engines is a pain, so im gonna keep with the stock tap, and stick it on prime if i busts on me |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 03/10/10 at 03:45:12 Verslagen, Check the LS650 diaphram before you buy. If I recall correctly, it doesn't have the big metal washer on the one side like the GS diaphram does. http://www.siriusconinc.com/uploaded_files/product_image/deecabd75f8b0cd1ea556c9d5246d35c.jpg |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/11/10 at 21:49:55 http://verslagen.savageriders.com/Petcock/DSCN0530-sm.jpghttp://verslagen.savageriders.com/Petcock/DSCN0531-sm.jpg As far as I can see, the washer on the plunger side shouldn't do anything except keep the diaphragm from being bulged out. I ordered a kit, will let you guys know how it goes. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/11/10 at 23:20:48 Question... okay,..ranty question... :-? If the purpose of the vacuum petcock is to prevent a stuck float from being able flood the bike while parked... isn't the flood going to instead occur after you get underway?...and wouldn't you rather breakdown in any parking lot, rather than on the road?... And,.. if the vacuum diaphragm prevents such flooding, but when it fails it, automatically causes it,... is that a gain?... and on top of that,... the flow is much stronger, and more direct, down the vacuum line, than through the float needle so it makes a worse one... Now,... in an accident, if the bike ends up on it's left side and the float needle sticks, it will shut off the flow, as long as the engine dies when the bike goes down,... but gas will still leak out of the tank vent and the full float bowl ... (if the bike falls on the right side, no gas will flow from the petcock anyway)... So, basically as far as I can see,... it's a non-solution to an unlikely problem, with the side effect of adding cost and complexity, and giving a better way to cause the same problem it is designed to prevent in the case of failure... which it has a known propensity to do... Huh?... :-?... PS,... and on top of all that, it's fugly, and makes the tank hard to get off... ;D |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/12/10 at 07:52:27 If the purpose of the vacuum petcock is to prevent a stuck float from being able flood the bike while parked and unattended ... isn't the flood going to instead occur after you get underway? crankcase flooding, not possible. flooding intake, noticeable. bike pissin' on shoes, priceless ...and wouldn't you rather breakdown in any parking lot, rather than on the road? No ... And,.. if the vacuum diaphragm prevents such flooding, but when it fails it, automatically causes it,... is that a gain?... Is it negative that everytime you get off your bike you forget to turn off the petcock causing the float valve to fail someday? and on top of that,... the flow is much stronger, and more direct, down the vacuum line, than through the float needle so it makes a worse one... and on top of that your bike is so ill maintained that the valve clatter and due to low oil level the bearings sieze? Now,... in an accident, if the bike ends up on it's left side and the float needle sticks, it will shut off the flow, as long as the engine dies when the bike goes down, I never crash with a full tank of gas, bad form you know ... but gas will still leak out of the tank vent and the full float bowl ... only until the tank is half emptied (if the bike falls on the right side, no gas will flow from the petcock anyway)... So, basically as far as I can see,... it's a non-solution to an unlikely problem, with the side effect of adding cost and complexity, and giving a better way to cause the same problem it is designed to prevent in the case of failure... which it has a known propensity to do... But look at all the maylasion rubber tree planters you're keeping employed. It's recommended that you replace the rubber under your hood every 7 years, does anybody do that? And yet a rubber diaphragm goes bad and you get all bent out of shape. I get an '02 with all original rubber. That petcock works great on the leaky '96. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/12/10 at 07:56:09 BTW, found an easy way to check for leaky petcock. HF sells a vacuum assisted brake bleeder for about $20 Hook that puppy to the vac port of the petcock and pump up 5 lbs of vacuum. If it holds steady, no leaky. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Reelthing on 03/12/10 at 08:01:15 no rude comments for the heathens - but old school might be to use a human vacuum and if the hose sticks to your tongue nothing wrong there as well |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/12/10 at 08:01:59 Or, is it actually just another piece of EPA hardware being masqueraded as a convenience feature?... :-? I'll stop now... :-X ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by bill67 on 03/12/10 at 08:14:55 Preventive maintenance is to use Sea Foam in you gas every couple months to keep everything lubed. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Charon on 03/12/10 at 08:53:01 Hey Bill, did you ever stop to think that when you add the Sea Foam you no longer have "100% gas"? You have added the dreaded alcohol, which is part of Sea Foam. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by bill67 on 03/12/10 at 08:57:33 Holy Cow |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 03/12/10 at 09:35:17 Hmmmmmm.... does the Seaform label say anything about if it changes emissions while in use? I expect that once it cleans the system the emission would be lower. Just wonder during use..... |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/12/10 at 09:38:28 5B5055550F0E390 wrote:
One thing I will note, every petcock I've openned up has a coating of silt on the inside. How it gets in there I can't fathom. How seafoam will clean it out, I can't comprehend. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by bill67 on 03/12/10 at 09:48:43 Put 1 ounce of Sea Foam in you oil it will clean the engine and it will run better.If you have a car put 1/2 can in you will be surprised how much better it will perform. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/12/10 at 12:45:12 I like to use Marvel's Mystery Oil,... just 'cause the name is so cool... :-? |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/15/10 at 21:06:43 Got the 18-4344 kits in from Z1, diaphragm fits perfectly. Comes with a gasket and 2 o-rings 1 o-ring fits the lever, the other is too big for anything. I'll have it in the bike tomorrow. http://verslagen.savageriders.com/Petcock/DSCN0532-sm.jpg |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 03/15/10 at 22:58:37 Way to go Versy!.... and after all my raggin',... you went and figured it out anyway... ;D.... |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/15/10 at 23:40:19 Getting too late, have to call it a nite w/o gettin' it done. sheez, I was frettin' about the o-ring seal between the petcock and tank. I got a tin where I throw all my leftover hardware. There's one sitting in there the right size. probably the wrong rubber. You remember what that gas proof lube was? |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by serenity3743 on 03/16/10 at 05:15:40 Another genuine Verslagen improvement to our great little bikes!! Thanks for using your creativity for the betterment of the Savage world!! ;) |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/16/10 at 21:45:19 OK, well she's in. -5 psig and suddenly gas was shootin' out onto the floor. And I was askin' myself how do you shut this thing off? Oh push the button. yea. it works. I'll go change my shoes now. I'll post this in the tech section soon. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by RidgeRunner13 on 03/17/10 at 06:36:58 Now while you're at it how about teeing your vauum gauge into that port & going for a ride? Find a nice long hill to ride up at 65-70 mph or a 20-30 mph headwind to ride into & let us know what you see for vacuum. Even WOT thru the gears up to highway speeds. What I found when I experimented about 7 years ago was less than 5 psi at times which I concluded could/would lean the bike out at the worst possible time. This is why for my situation I run on Prime all the time. Corrected most of the issues I was having. Eventually I will go with the Raptor conversion, I'm old school & don't mind having a normal tank valve to deal with. 8-) |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Routy on 03/17/10 at 07:05:59 If you saw PSI on your vacumn gage, you have more problems than you want to know about !;D |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/17/10 at 07:31:22 2A253F24383E2D2F27293E4C0 wrote:
Did you know vac gages can come in inches? Bars? Torrs? Pascals? Just a unit of measure my friend. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by RidgeRunner13 on 03/17/10 at 08:27:44 While that may not be the exact correct terminology, we all know what we're talking about. I don't let it bother me when some of you work on your motor, I know you mean your engine. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Routy on 03/17/10 at 09:04:43 Did anybody see the big smiley ! ? Come on get a little humor in your life ! But being you want to get serious, yes, vacuum is measured in inches,... but NOT pounds per square inch ! You started the seriousness of it all..not me >:( |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by verslagen1 on 03/17/10 at 09:24:13 56594358444251535B5542300 wrote:
I need you to talk to my customers. BTW is that water or Hg? |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by RidgeRunner13 on 03/17/10 at 10:20:15 3D3228332F293A38303E295B0 wrote:
Me? Serious? Over something on the internet? :o ::) Not going to happen! This is just a playground! If I had a problem I'd lust leave. Too tired to run, too old too fight. I just go my way & NOBODY has to die!!!! :D ;D ::) 8-) But I do have some OTHER PROBLEMS that need attention! Wanna help? ;D ;) 8-) |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Digger on 05/23/10 at 21:20:18 243720213E3335373C63520 wrote:
I use Krytox RFE (http://www.restockit.com/2oz-krytox-rfe-pfpe-o-ring-lubricant-(442-29710).html). You're not gonna like the price, though! I found an unopened tube of it on eBay for about 20 bucks a while back. |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Serowbot on 05/24/10 at 01:01:59 Quote:
$20 bucks an ounce!?!... Yikes!... I'll stick with Spit'n'Snot... :-?... |
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Title: Re: petcock repair kit Post by Digger on 06/17/10 at 20:30:04 6076617C64717C67130 wrote:
Tell me about it.... I bought it only to solve a stubborn problem I was having with the gas cap on my '01 ST1100. I'm so miserly with the stuff that that one ounce will last me the rest of my life, for sure. 8-) |
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