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Title: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/02/10 at 20:33:58 Every time I ride, I'm missing the same thing on this bike. I was told I'd get used to it, but I can't,.... after 6 months/2k miles, I still miss it. Am I the only one ? What one thing do you miss,....or would you like to add on your Savage/s40,......if you already haven't. Fill a page, then I'll come back and see if any.....or how many agree. Serious answers only, nothing like.....a supercharger, or a wild woman ! |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Justinmkantor on 03/02/10 at 20:48:38 an accelerator pump for the carb for better starting off the line. I love mine other than that. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Bear on 03/02/10 at 20:50:03 I miss going 150 miles without finding a gas station I miss changing spark plugs without pulling the seat and tank I miss the freeway stability of a larger bike But - I would not trade it for anything currently on the market I don't miss adjusting the drive chain and oil splatters on the rear wheel I don't miss the unreliability of old Brittish bikes I don't miss the top heavy feel of 4 cylinder Japanese bikes. I don't miss vibration that makes looking in the mirrors fuzzy. The S40 is a keeper |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Serowbot on 03/02/10 at 21:32:28 Tripmeter.... :( |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by verslagen1 on 03/02/10 at 23:03:51 Tubeless tires.... hmmm naw I fixed that. Fork brace... naw I fixed that. Speedo on the handlebars... naw I fixed that. and a tach, a gear indicator and a tank gage too. Better shocks... naw fixed that too. I know, I know, a reliable petcock. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by BurnPgh on 03/02/10 at 23:14:05 677463627D7076747F20110 wrote:
fixed that. Raptor 660. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by jabman on 03/03/10 at 00:52:57 fuel gauge and tacho really when i get some more time ill look into sorting them out |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by MMRanch on 03/03/10 at 02:03:59 Taller Fifth Gear No point in being all wound up just becouse I want to ride on the interstate. Need to keep a Belt drive and the working Speedometer. So changing the Primary drive , but is their another basket and drive that will work ? |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/03/10 at 03:31:57 Tripmeter, bar mounted speedo (which would give tank more fuel capacity) ... those are the 2 main things I'd get Suzuki to change ... a regular On-Off-Res petc0ck would even further simplify an already simple Bike too, so that'd be nice as well ... |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by miker on 03/03/10 at 05:18:46 I think it is missing about 4" between the swingarm pivot and the rear axel. I am going to work on this. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/03/10 at 05:41:38 2 more higher gears like a 6 and 7 gear for cruising. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Charon on 03/03/10 at 05:56:11 I would like a tripmeter. It would serve pretty well as a gas gauge. As far as gearing, I would like a lower low gear. Despite some kvetching about how fast the engine turns at highway speed, it is right in the middle range of lots of bikes. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/03/10 at 06:07:51 Are there a lot of single 650 bikes out there |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/03/10 at 06:58:48 Thanks for the responses,....very interesting. If I were to list 2, Jabman hit my nail right on the head, and in his order too ! A fuel gage would be nice, but I kinda remedied that w/ the resettable digital bicycle trip meter, which works good. But the number 1 thing that I miss the most is a tachometer. I ride in nothing but hills here,....even interstate 5 near here is anything but flat, and I do a lot of uneccessary shifting only to find out I'm not in the gear I thought I was. I have tried to get used to the sound of the r's in the upper gears, but it doesn't work for me. I did a search on "tachometer".......nothing ! Maybe someone could list a couple that guaranteed work on these bikes ? I know I've seen them here before. Thanks |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by babyhog on 03/03/10 at 07:54:13 Fuel gauge & trip meter. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Bubba on 03/03/10 at 08:38:58 bigger tank & fuel gauge...oh and take that gigantic canister of an exhaust and have a decent stock pipe |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by dasch on 03/03/10 at 09:20:09 Taller 5th gear definitelly. And 180/50-16 rear tire! Sweet dreams. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Rocco on 03/03/10 at 12:59:35 flat black =] lol seriously though, a little more fuel range would be nice, my friend's concourse fills up once everytime i do twice! lol |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Oldnewguy on 03/03/10 at 13:14:53 There was a thread on here about adding an inexpensive digital tach. I bought one and installed it. If I remember it costs about 30.00 and is a snap to install. Just one wire to ground and one wrapped around the plug wire. It is not extremely responsive. The add said its ok for knowing your gear, but not fast enough for racing. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by jabman on 03/04/10 at 00:57:00 would it have to be a mechanical to be responsive |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by dasch on 03/04/10 at 02:50:28 No. I have a cheap one off of ebay. It connects to +, ground and spark coil. Very quick and responsive. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by John_D on 03/04/10 at 04:10:18 I'm gonna combine a couple previous posts for my response: Bar mounted speedometer, which would give more fuel capacity. Either a taller 5th gear, or better yet a 6th. It just seems to me there's not a whole lot of jump between 4th and 5th; at least not as much as there could be. :-? A tach would be cool, but most of the more expensive cruisers I've looked at don't come with them either, so meh... ::) |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/04/10 at 04:14:13 Any links or ID for it, maybe a pic? I couldn't come up w/ it. A decent analog at JC Whitney $46, but no hookup info. But I mite go that way. 6461736368000 wrote:
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Oldnewguy on 03/04/10 at 05:00:27 I found the tach reference and brought it forward. Should be right below this one. :) |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by dasch on 03/04/10 at 06:26:51 Yeah, or this: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=tach+savage&_sacat=See-All-Categories |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/04/10 at 06:35:44 Thanks |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/04/10 at 08:13:18 Whats missing,thats easy,High gear. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Phelonius on 03/04/10 at 09:17:56 A taco meter. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Charon on 03/04/10 at 09:50:03 Bill, since you seem to have so many complaints about the S40's lack of a "high gear", I'm surprised you don't do something about it. There are threads for converting to chain drive which would allow you to select any high gear you want. Or of course, you could get rid of the "problem" altogether by just getting rid of the bike. Remember, YOU are the one who picked it out in the first place. If YOU didn't do the research, YOU have no one to blame but YOURSELF. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/04/10 at 10:02:14 5A5F4D5D563E0 wrote:
DO NOT BUY FROM THAT SELLER!!! Sorry, but it has been posted time and time again that flightsimshop is a cheat. Stay away from that seller as much as you can. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/04/10 at 10:06:54 What I was wondering is,....for a bike that runs low on steam long about 80 in 5th gear, whats it going to do with even taller gears ? I myself like havin a little throttle left over when I'm cruzin 60 in 5th. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/04/10 at 10:09:08 I think you could probably shift it back to 4th 8-) |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Oldnewguy on 03/04/10 at 11:14:12 I bought the tach for just that reason. I couldn't tell if I was in 4th or 5th. Turns out the only difference is 300 rpm. :( Not much of a gas saver. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by serenity3743 on 03/04/10 at 13:57:32 The overdrive in my car drops the RPMs by only about a hundred, so 5th gear in the Savage is kinda like a tall overdrive. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by John_D on 03/04/10 at 14:40:18 45737269745D78756F751C0 wrote:
DO NOT BUY FROM THAT SELLER!!! Sorry, but it has been posted time and time again that flightsimshop is a cheat. Stay away from that seller as much as you can.[/quote] Ya beat me to it! ;D I was going to post the same warning. It can make interesting reading sometimes checking all his negative feedback, and his oh so polite (can ya sense the sarcasm? :D) responses. ;D |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/04/10 at 15:38:20 322433242F28353872767572410 wrote:
Yep its a real overdrive. ::) |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by MMRanch on 03/04/10 at 21:18:35 NOT 4000 rpm at 70 mph would be ok? |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/05/10 at 03:40:01 I had a GR650 Suzuki geared a 1000 rpm lower than stock,Put 28000 miles on it that way with know problems,Pulled good from 40mph in high year,Best mpg was 68 on a trip.Sure wished I could do that with my S40 but I like the belt drive.Very relaxed at 70 mph. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/05/10 at 05:45:56 Most every bike I've had incl this one was geared about right for all around riding. If different riding conditions warrant ratio changes, then that what you do. The only one I ever remember changing was a 750 Atlas that I used to 1/4 mile drag, lower gear, but then I couldn't keep it on the ground ! :o |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/05/10 at 05:49:07 Routy did you ever gear a bike higher,If you did you would see how much nicer it is. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/05/10 at 06:22:06 Bill, I would never want to. Low gear is too high now. I'm constantly having to working the clutch in low speed traffic. And when you're short on hp for hi speeds, you don't gear higher! But I have stuck a piston before from running too tall gears, and that was after bigger main jets. My s-40 is not spinning too fast at 50-55 by any means, which is about the max speed I normally ride. If yours is, then change the gears to chain. Are you sure you have a 5 speed, or is it going into 5th gear ? I've read where many s-40's change to lower gears to pick up top speed. Me,....I need a tac-o-meter ! :) |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by bill67 on 03/05/10 at 06:29:13 I think about 90% of the riders on here wished their S40s were geared lower so they wouldn't have to slip the clutch,And would have more top speed ::) |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by klx650sm2002 on 03/05/10 at 08:13:28 On KLX I've raised the final drive from 15/43 to 16/42 (9.2%) and it's much more relaxed, plus she now does 60 in second. Clive W :) |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by MMRanch on 03/05/10 at 10:21:14 Your right Bill I had a Kawasaki 750 LTD , factory gearing redlined 5th at 112 mph I change it to redline 5th at 145 mph , it would not do it but 80 mph cruise sure got nice. If I wanted to "#@%^ VIBRATE ^%@#" I could allways leave it in 4th. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by dasch on 03/05/10 at 14:14:13 Same I did with a Honda CB-1. A few teeth smaller rear sprocket did the trick. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by David Levi on 03/05/10 at 15:28:05 I think it is missing nitrous and a wild woman. Just sayin... I think stock there are a few standard adjustments that would be nice, but they are well documented here. Too lean, uncomfortable seat for longer rides (never bothered me too much, I'm light). Never two'd up and don't plan too in my 3rd year, so can't comment on that. Ultimately, the bike has done everything I needed it to do. Stock believe it or not. I even sang most of what I remembered of Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious while cruising at 75 down a highway last year. I should have youtubed it, would have been like talking through a fan. I am glad I didn't have a taller high gear, a crosswind faster than I was going would have sacred the **** out of me. I can count so the fuel levels were never really a concern. For another thread, I bought a 07 sv650 a few days ago for my second bike. I am keeping the savage for my three mile trip to work and to help break in some friends. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Ed L. on 03/05/10 at 17:13:07 A tach is easy, just get a small engine tach ( can I say lawnmower?) that has the pickup wrap around the plug wire and is grounded to the chasis. I've been using one for years. it is responsive and really helps with tuning the power plant. What is missing is front end stability at over 60 mph, my '02 would drift at superslab speeds untill I installed a superbrace. Since the bike is light you can lock up the rear brake without knowing it but there is not much you can do about it except be carefull. What is missing is a better carb, a better exhaust and a better flowing head all of which can be taken care of with a little tinkering. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by kimchris1 on 03/05/10 at 18:57:41 dipstick, fuel guage and trip meter... |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by LANCER on 03/06/10 at 04:55:01 Features Veypor/VR2 Full Instrumentation Portable Dynamometer with plots Full and Pro Tree 1/4 Mile Runs 0-60Mph and Braking Test Timing Roll-on timing for any speeds Graph results for all Runs Save up to 8 runs Calculate Fuel Mileage and fuel level Separate Fuel Odometer Odometer and Resettable Tripmeter Metric or Imperial units Two maintenance hour meters Gear Indicator Lap Timer and Course Analyzer Full featured Rally Computer Store 4 separate vehicle setups Super bright dual-level shiftlight Programmable speed light Download all Run data to a PC (VR2 only) *Drag Coefficient Calculation *Rolling Resistance Calculation *Full-time datalogging for up to 24h *Programmable sampling rate *View all logging sessions on a PC *Time and Date with battery backup The Veypor and VR2 provide useful features for all driving situations and in all weather conditions - from drag and circuit racing on a track, to rally racing in the desert, to a daily commute. You can watch your mileage and fuel consumption in real-time, practice staged 1/4 mile runs, improve your lap times or just find out which gear you're in. The rally computer mode lets you time and measure every leg of a journey or stage of a rally. Want to know exactly how long it took you to cover that 60 Mile stretch of twisties, how much gas you used and what your average speed was? Now you do. The Horsepower and Torque plotting serve as an invaluable tuning aid for making engine adjustments and the data acquisition provides post race/trip analysis. The Veypor even reminds you when to change your oil and clean your filters. The full instrumentation including permanent odometer and simulated fuel gauge lets the Veypor replace an entire bulky instrument panel on your custom streetfighter, cruiser or kit car. Since it is rain and splash proof, you can use it anytime you want to go for a ride. Most importantly, the system is very easy to install - requiring only basic knowledge of the motorcycle or vehicle and an hour or two of your time. No wiring diagrams or special tools are necessary. The Flash memory of the Veypor allows you to download new software updates from our website and reprogram your unit using the included cables. Our customers suggested adding a lap timer, so we did. They also suggested a course timer, so we created that too. Every time we add a new feature we put the updated firmware on our website so you can use it instantly For more details on what it does and how, go to http://veypor.com/veypor.html The best part is the price, just $159.99 for the Veypor or $199.99 for the VR2 http://veypor.com/Images/ProductsVeypor.jpg |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/06/10 at 06:35:48 Wow, you do get what you pay for,....maybe more ? |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Routy on 03/06/10 at 06:59:58 But for something less expensive, is this: http://www.jackssmallengines.com/hour_meter.cfm about as good as I could expect for 40 bucks ? |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by Charon on 03/06/10 at 07:15:17 I browsed through the Veypor website, and noticed a couple of interesting things. One, it communicates with your computer using an RS-232 serial cable. Most newer computers no longer have this. Veypor sells an RS-232 to USB adapter so your computer can talk to the Veypor. And two, it uses Hyperterminal for communication. Hyperterminal is no longer part of Windows (Vista, Seven) so you will have to find a Hyperterminal program elsewhere. Just a heads-up. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by LANCER on 03/06/10 at 19:21:33 6D464F5C41402E0 wrote:
Did you check their upgrade list ? They are usually pretty good about keeping ahead of this kind of stuff. |
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Title: Re: Whats Missing on the s-40 ? Post by dinsdale on 03/08/10 at 09:06:40 At least one member put one of these on his : http://www.electrosport.com/speedometers/images/acewell-speedometer-series-2700-2800-220.jpg http://www.electrosport.com/street/speedometers-series-2700-2800.php It is a candidate for future upgrades |
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