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Title: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by texsam on 12/28/09 at 07:24:36 TODAY I WAS RIDINGHOMEAND WHEN IPUTMY BIKE INTO 5TH GEAR AFTER THE CLUTCH WAS DISENGAGED I GAVE IT GAS AND IT ACTED LIKE IT WAS IN NEUTRAL THEN I HEARD A KNOCK AND IT WENT INTO GEAR, AFTER THAT IT DIDN'T DOIT AGAIN, DOES THAT MEAN MY TRANSMISSION IS GOING OUT???? OR IS IT MY CLUTCH |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Ebikerman on 12/28/09 at 08:00:15 You probably did not have it all the way in gear. I have experienced that mysely. If it does it regularly, I would suspect transmission shifter problems. You must shift positively to get proper shifting. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by verslagen1 on 12/28/09 at 08:00:39 Calm down, no need to shout. There's a false neutral between 4th and 5th that occassionaly can be found. When you shift, don't jab at it. Apply pressure to the shifter in the direction you want to go, clutch it and it'll pop right in. between 4th and 5th, you don't even need to clutch it, a quick flip of the throttle back to idle and immediately back on it will shift it sweet. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Rocco on 12/28/09 at 08:24:11 ahahaaa i have done this on i-95 in work traffic, where my main concern was not being run over by expeditions lol i heard it high rev, looked @ the tank expecting to see neutral and i tried it again and it was fine. i think it's a built it "are u paying attention" you know, like the white bumps on the side of the road =] |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Oldnewguy on 12/28/09 at 08:37:14 We did this problem in a thread a while back. 4th to 5th is "quirky" at best. On my '96 I get a double "in" most of the time. You just need to keep the pressure on till you feel it go all the way in. :) |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by texsam on 12/28/09 at 08:42:12 right on i'll be a little more cautious when shifting, it kinda sucked cuz it did happen in traffic i-10 west in north san antonio. oh and my bad my keyboard is actin up sorry for the caps its hard to switch it. welll thanx 4 the advise, oh and i don't know if anyone remembers how my bike was dying out of the blue a few months ago but finally figured it out had a hole on the diaphragm in the petcockso she's back in tip top shape :) :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Oldnewguy on 12/28/09 at 09:13:11 It does suck and it's embarassing. Glad you got the beast running! |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Serowbot on 12/28/09 at 10:02:02 4F50535F57545D4E483C0 wrote:
Suzuki should be shot for ever making that peacock... What a P.O.S.!.... Engineered to prevent a one in a thousand minor mishap, and guaranteeing an eventual major malfunction... Stupid,.. stupid, stupid... I feel better now... :-? |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Phelonius on 12/28/09 at 10:41:39 The shifting fork that slides a dog along a spline to engage either one cluster or another, rides in a slot which is moved from one position to another by the action of the shift lever pulling a lobe onto the next detent. If the lobe is not pushed or pulled all the way into the next detent, it can momentarily ride on top of it with the sliding dog in between gear selections. Then with a tiny bit of vibration it will decide to slip down the lobe and engage the dogs on a gear cluster with a clunk. It may slide and engage the next gear , or it may fall back to engage the gear you were trying to leave, also with a clunk. Unless your throttle is wide open, there is usually no damage except to your peace of mind. Clear? Phelonius ;) |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by jabman on 12/28/09 at 10:59:54 ekkk i was worrying about that aswell mind is at rest now |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Routy on 12/29/09 at 06:15:53 Yep, I just hold upward pressure till the clutch is engaged, and it never misses. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/09 at 08:27:49 3A293E3F202D2B29227D4C0 wrote:
Once in 2nd, shifting up & down between 2nd & 3rd, 4th & 5th w/o the clutch is so, so easy. Just coordinate throttle & ankle, no clutch to pull, no clutch cable wear, no clutch disk wear. Ive had some "shift failure" events, with & w/o the clutch, but fewer w/o. Quite disconcerting to get a false neutral that becomes a gear after throttle applied. But, as noted, unless youre at Wide Open, not gonna tear stuff up, just lurch it around & get embarrassed. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by babyhog on 12/29/09 at 09:27:45 I have never shifted without the clutch. I'm a-skeeered to. Doesn't "seem" like it would be good for the bike. Tell me more... |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Serowbot on 12/29/09 at 09:40:23 I upshift 3 to 4, and 4 to 5 without clutch a lot... I use the clutch for downs... |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by babyhog on 12/29/09 at 09:46:04 I'm guessing between 3 and 4 is bad? (2-3 and 4-5 ok?) What's the difference? Or am I reading wrong.... |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Serowbot on 12/29/09 at 10:06:17 The higher the gear,.. the easier to shift without a clutch.... ;) Try 4 to 5 first,... easy as pie, smooth as butter... Now,.. I'm hungry.... :-? |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/09 at 10:41:57 666564696B71080 wrote:
Ive shifted standards w/o the clutch for decades. Learning gave me the opportunity to make a few sounds with a tranny they werent really meant to make, but I never saw any negative results. Them gears in there is Hard Stuff. Lots of racket can be made w/o making a mark. On a vehicle w/ a neutral between gears, its easier to learn, since the shifter can be held in neutral while the gas is used to synchronize the engine RPM to the driveline in the gear you want it in. You know the engine is running at lower rpm at 30 MPH in 4th than in 3rd, so, to get it into 4th, from 3rd w/o lurching it, the throttle has to close some. Also, if there is a load on the transmission, either from slowing or accelerating, the shifter wont easily move the tranny internals, so, throttle must be operated in a manner to unload the tranny & shift. You can try to downshift(d/shift) by putting light pressure on the shifter & closing the throttle quickly. Itll fall right in. Try 5th to 4th at 40 ish MPH. That will raise the RPM as soon as you do it, but since the RPM difference between 4th & 5th are minimal, it wont lurch or slide the rear tire. Strange as it seems, these d/shifts work even as the gas is being shut off, I also give it a slight Goose just as soon as the shifter drops, to kill the lurch.But, while you work to learn, Id suggest staying with 4th & 5th for practice, because as the Rowboat says, the higher gears are easier to work with. I dont do 1st to 2nd, up or down, anymore. Ive done it & I can do it, its just too hard to do right & when its not right, its hard on the equipment. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Serowbot on 12/29/09 at 11:26:01 46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:
But, while you work to learn, Id suggest staying with 4th & 5th for practice, because as the Rowboat says, the higher gears are easier to work with. [/quote] Nice to know, me and the Rustin ol'guy agree... ;D |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by babyhog on 12/29/09 at 13:24:06 223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
Ive shifted standards w/o the clutch for decades. Learning gave me the opportunity to make a few sounds with a tranny they werent really meant to make, but I never saw any negative results. Them gears in there is Hard Stuff. Lots of racket can be made w/o making a mark. On a vehicle w/ a neutral between gears, its easier to learn, since the shifter can be held in neutral while the gas is used to synchronize the engine RPM to the driveline in the gear you want it in. You know the engine is running at lower rpm at 30 MPH in 4th than in 3rd, so, to get it into 4th, from 3rd w/o lurching it, the throttle has to close some. Also, if there is a load on the transmission, either from slowing or accelerating, the shifter wont easily move the tranny internals, so, throttle must be operated in a manner to unload the tranny & shift. You can try to downshift(d/shift) by putting light pressure on the shifter & closing the throttle quickly. Itll fall right in. Try 5th to 4th at 40 ish MPH. That will raise the RPM as soon as you do it, but since the RPM difference between 4th & 5th are minimal, it wont lurch or slide the rear tire. Strange as it seems, these d/shifts work even as the gas is being shut off, I also give it a slight Goose just as soon as the shifter drops, to kill the lurch.But, while you work to learn, Id suggest staying with 4th & 5th for practice, because as the Rowboat says, the higher gears are easier to work with. I dont do 1st to 2nd, up or down, anymore. Ive done it & I can do it, its just too hard to do right & when its not right, its hard on the equipment. [/quote] Hmmm. Thanks a bunch... but you just had to throw in that last "when its not right" part, didn't you... But maybe if I ever get to ride again (darn cold weather) I will try it. 4th to 5th sounds pretty simple. I guess my hangup is why is it designed to use a clutch if you don't really have to use it? But thank you for helping me understand. I think back to learning to drive a car with a stick. I hated it when I'd miss a gear! "If ya can't find 'em, grind 'em"??? That always sounded so horrible, I just figured it had to be hurting something! Maybe my husband can draw me a picture that would make it make sense.... |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by bill67 on 12/29/09 at 13:33:37 Babyhog there is no reason not to use the clutch,Once in a while I shift without it,And if I drag race I don't use it,But it is better for the bike to use the clutch. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Stones on 12/29/09 at 14:30:24 Sorry only got 4 :-X |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Serowbot on 12/29/09 at 15:18:46 595D5421292620100 wrote:
maybe you're not pullin' up hard enough?.... ;D ;D ;D or maybe the PO didn't clutch?.... :-? |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by BurnPgh on 12/29/09 at 15:45:23 4D5B4C51495C514A3E0 wrote:
maybe you're not pullin' up hard enough?.... ;D ;D ;D[/quote] Sounds goofy but Ineclipse's savage was sold to him as a '95 four speed. Turns out the PO of 3 years didnt ever shift to 5th hard enough or didnt bother trying. Which means the guy before him probably told him it was a 4 speed and didnt shift to 5th either. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/09 at 17:05:30 I dont do 1st to 2nd, up or down, anymore. Ive done it & I can do it, its just too hard to do right & when its not right, its hard on the equipment. 1st to 2nd & 2nd to 1st..hard to get right. 4th & up there, no sweat. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by Routy on 12/29/09 at 22:13:18 Wow,...thank god for this post. I was getting worried ! :o 3B3035356F6E590 wrote:
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/09 at 03:57:16 Its better for the bike to use it? Not if its done right..if done right, theres no wear on the cable or clutch. Just clutch 1st to second & rip on down the road, no damage by not clutching, or, if there IS damage done by not clutching, Id be walking, cuz more often than not, I dont clutch. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by rigidchop on 12/31/09 at 06:56:13 i had a friend when i was a teen, that had an rm 80 dirtbike. as long as i can remember that bike never had a clutch cable. he'd just stomp it into gear lol. probably owned it for 5+ years. i generally use mine, but have shifted without it. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by verslagen1 on 01/01/10 at 09:03:08 272425282A30490 wrote:
I think you're reading wrong, seek your inner Martian and it will be clear. Up shifting w/o a clutch is easier as the gears get higher. 4 to 5 is a cinch. start there and try the others later. 3 to 4 is ok, easiest when you go like you want to merge on the freeway. 2 to 3 same. 1 to 2 can be done, but best left to experts. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/01/10 at 10:12:18 776C626C61666D6A75050 wrote:
I was driving an 18 wheeler & the clutch linkage broke. I sat & thot about it a while, then pulled the kill & when the engine started to die, I shoved the thing in 1st & firewalled the kill & nailed the gas pedal. Wasnt a smooth launch, but I got it to the shop w/o a tow truck |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by bill67 on 01/01/10 at 10:48:13 If you read your manual it tells you how to shift without using the clutch. |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by rigidchop on 01/01/10 at 11:45:23 243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:
I was driving an 18 wheeler & the clutch linkage broke. I sat & thot about it a while, then pulled the kill & when the engine started to die, I shoved the thing in 1st & firewalled the kill & nailed the gas pedal. Wasnt a smooth launch, but I got it to the shop w/o a tow truck[/quote] i have driven quite a few vehicles like that. well older ones without the clutch saftey switches anyway. just put said vehicle in first, turn the key and step on the gas. kind of a jerky start till ya get moving, but after that its smooth sailing. the ones that had the safety switch intact, we just push started (or coasted down a hill) worked fine, unless you had to stop, then the process starts all over again lol |
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Title: Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/01/10 at 11:55:38 I didnt think trying to pull an 80,000 pound truck on a dirt road with the starter was a great idea, so I went arouond that move. I did use the starter on my old chevy to walk it thru flooded intersections when the ignition would get wet, After I killed that darned safety switch. |
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