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Title: Trouble shifting Post by PBLover on 11/07/09 at 19:46:11 I posted a while ago when I first got my 2006 S40, but haven't since. I'm having a problem with shifting down into neutral and first gears when coming to a stop. Is there something I'm doing wrong or is this something others have had? I've tried shifting down through the gears using the engine to slow the bike and also putting in the clutch, stopping, then shifting it down into first to take off again. Both ways the bike doesn't like to shift down. This is not an every stop problem, but seems to do it intermittently during a ride. I can usually get it shifted after stopping by rolling the bike backwards a couple inches or by pulling the clutch lever in and out a few times while working the foot lever. Does this sound like an adjustment issue or something else to you guys? I'm not very mechanically inclined, but am willing to tackle it if it's some sort of adjustment I can do at home. Any ideas or suggestions welcomed :) |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by Serowbot on 11/07/09 at 20:26:26 Practice,.. practice,... It's just getting the feel for things,.... sounds normal mechanically... |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by verslagen1 on 11/07/09 at 20:58:44 It might be an adjustment issue. When I put an engine from a wrecked bike in my '88, it was hard to shift up. Repositioned the arm on the lever and it was better. One more spline and it was perfect. mark the arm and shaft before you try anything. Move the arm in the opposite direction of shifting down. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/09 at 21:00:55 How much slack in the clutch lever? Do you "goose" the throttle a bit when you pull the clutch in? Have you tried just slapping the throttle closed & stepping on the shifter at the same time, then picking up on it just enough to not accelerate, but stop using the engine as a brake, slapping it closed & stepping on the shifter again? |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by Routy on 11/07/09 at 21:41:17 What their sayin is, quit pussyfootin around w/ it,....stomp on that sucker like you're killin it ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by Serowbot on 11/07/09 at 21:51:23 2F203A213D3B282A222C3B490 wrote:
That's what I said!... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by verslagen1 on 11/07/09 at 23:33:08 1006110C14010C17630 wrote:
That's what I said!... :-?[/quote] That is most likely why he's having trouble, braun where finesse is needed. Bent dogs don't shift. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/09 at 06:23:33 I have no idea how much force I am subjecting the shifter to. I am not trying to bend anything, but I am quick & decisive & when I decide its time to shift, Im not kidding around. Thats USUALLY,, sometimes it may take 2 seconds to get a shift, because Im just Ho Hummin' along. I almost never have a shifting problem. Sometimes it will jump out of 2nd a sec or 2 after I made the shift, but Im pretty sure thats my fault. Diddle with the adjustment, but yea, mark it first. Check the slack in the clutch lever. Cant hurt to have a look at that. channge the way you work the gas a bit, mess around & look for a way to make it work out. Then tell it here, maybe that would be a good clue & someone could tell you how to make it work better. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by PBLover on 11/08/09 at 09:25:59 No play in the clutch lever, all good there. As far as getting used to it, I have no problems shifting anything else including a Triumph Legend 900cc and 2 old yamaha RD400's. They all shift smoothly. Only the S40 is a problem. I've tried standing on the shift lever....no luck. I will try adjusting the clutch lever this afternoon to see if it makes a difference. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by RidgeRunner13 on 11/08/09 at 09:42:38 Check the pivot point for your shift lever. A little binding there can make it shift hard. I have to take mine apart & lube it occasionally or the crud makes it stick. While you're down there, lube your brake pedal pivot points too. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by Serowbot on 11/08/09 at 09:54:02 ...and check that the linkage rod isn't bent... |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/09 at 15:25:20 [quote author=587F7971631A0 link=1257651971/0#8 date=1257701159]No play in the clutch lever, all good there. Nope, thats not good. Not good at all. Adjust for at least 1/8th inch free play. By free play, I mean you push the lever out with your fingers & its so easy to move you could push it back toward the grip with your nose. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by Serowbot on 11/08/09 at 15:44:36 Now you're just trying to make him look silly.... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by bill67 on 11/08/09 at 15:48:37 Doesn't everyone use their nose when adjusting the free play in the clutch. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by RidgeRunner13 on 11/08/09 at 15:50:55 252E2B2B7170470 wrote:
You took the words right out of my fingers. And do you shift with your ear? 8-) |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by bill67 on 11/08/09 at 15:55:57 Huh |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/09 at 19:01:05 5F495E435B4E43582C0 wrote:
No, Ive talked about free play twice. Then he responds with " Its all good, There is none". I could only conclude that he didnt understand, so, since I didnt wwant to be unclear, I made it unavoidably clear. There is no "Tone & inflection" in the typed word, so you cant kbnow how I said it. Youre just trying to make me out a jackass.. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by RidgeRunner13 on 11/08/09 at 19:09:27 And for the humorless on here, I shift by ear all the time because the Savage doesn't have a Tachometer! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by PBLover on 11/08/09 at 20:01:58 Ok, checked out the bike, it's got just a little play in the lever now after adjusting a bit, then went for a long ride since it's 60 degrees out and no rain today for a change. Had a good time, thought about the whole situation while riding, trying to figure out what either me or the bike is doing wrong and came to a conclusion. I think it's my new riding boots causing the problem. They fit a bit bigger than the shoes I was used to riding in and I don't think I've been taking my foot off the shift lever completely or letting it completely back up between shifts. I started removing my foot off to the side between shifts, especially while shifting down and the problem "seems" to be aleviated for the most part. I still had a couple times when it didn't want to shift down to first, but it was going a bit better. Starting to think it's just the rider and not the bike...... time will tell. By the way.....I'm a she, not a he ;D |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/09 at 20:37:12 Never even considered the foot on the lever. That'll do it, allright. Yea, ya gotta have some free play in the lever, always./ If the cable never get slack in it, then theres a little pressure Not getting to the clutch pack. PB Lover, I didnt know if that was Peanut Butter or Lead. I thot maybe you liked bullets. Maybe some great target shooter. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by Routy on 11/08/09 at 20:58:58 Yeah ! I forgot about that,......I have trouble shifting in my sneakers too. But I like riding in shorts and sneakers,.......or I did a month ago anyway. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by Serowbot on 11/08/09 at 21:58:36 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
Lighten up, JOG,.... I'm just makin' myself look silly,... I never try to make fun of anyone but myself... Yur' perfectly capable... Problems are frustrating,... when I can help, I do... When I can crack a joke,... and make a frustrated person have a laugh, and feel a part of the group,... I do that too... Sorry if I offended you PB,.. we're here to help with problems,.... but we come here, day after day, because it's fun... if it was all serious, who would hang out?....and then, who would be here when help is needed?... And don't mind Justin (JOG),... he's just messin' with me... He's usually the first one laugh at my crap... (he musta' stubbed his toe this morning)... BTW,...Welcome to the site,... check out the Cafe section if you want to meet the others and have a laugh... Old pro's and Newbies, guys and gals, from all over the world.... Ride safe, Serowbot PS,.. is it peanut butter lover?..... Hope so.... Can I call you Peanut?.... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/09 at 00:23:10 (he musta' stubbed his toe this morning)... About 1/2 second before I stubbed my nose. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by bill67 on 11/09/09 at 05:44:02 103731392B520 wrote:
Shoe do make a lot of difference when you shift,Tennis shoes work the best for me. |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by PBLover on 11/09/09 at 07:32:53 Actually 'PB' stand for Pink Barracuda. My other toy is a 1970 Plymouth Barracuda Gran Coup 440, which I'm working on selling due to so little use. It's just sitting in the garage trying to figure out how to start rusting.... http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac221/PB440lover/th_P1010058.jpg (http://s902.photobucket.com/albums/ac221/PB440lover/?action=view¤t=P1010058.jpg) http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac221/PB440lover/th_P1010052.jpg (http://s902.photobucket.com/albums/ac221/PB440lover/?action=view¤t=P1010052.jpg) |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/09 at 10:35:10 WOW, Id like to drive one of those for a while. I could even do it in a pink one, just to drive one. Is it a Hot Rod from Hayull? |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by PBLover on 11/09/09 at 12:53:43 Yes sir it shore is 8-) Wouldn't have it any other way! Runs like a bat out of Hayull! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Trouble shifting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/09 at 17:59:51 It was a nasty, cold day & this gal I worked with had a Z-28( her hubby did & she drove it). I "Offered" to go get it & bring it up to the front door so she wouldnt have to walk to it. I wasnt even trying to do more than kill it. I just wanted to drive it up to the stop sign & around the corner to the door of the store. I backed out nice & easy,,, stuck it in first & it was stumbling ( cold as hell that day), so I tickled it a bit & eased out on the clutch.. then i was sitting sideways in the road,,cranked the wheel & it spun straight up to the stop sign..Wadda GAS!!! & she was Hooooot,, & he was one Baaad MOFO. 3 guys decided to whip him, one had a tire iron,, they all 3 got some of that tire iron before they got an ambulance ride..He boxed me one night, I had the 8Oz gloves, he had the 16s & I still couldnt touch him or keep him off me..Yep,, he was hard to handle..& she was easy on the eyes.. |
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