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Message started by skatnbnc on 10/09/09 at 09:33:58

Title: Brake rear brake?
Post by skatnbnc on 10/09/09 at 09:33:58

So I took the bike to the dealer and had the tires replaced. (Love the new Dunlops!)

Well I was checking the air pressure the other day and noticed something odd. Hope I can describe without photo.

Ordinarily the brake adjustment screw is horizontal with the ground. But since the new tire was put on, it is canted downward (the whole mechanism) from the bolt that holds that piece.
Now I can see gauge markings on the shaft that were covered up before by that part being parallel to the ground.

Questions is - do I need to try and make that straight again, (loosen bolt, move part back, tighten) or is there some reason the tire mechanic moved it to begin with??

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by PhilM on 10/09/09 at 10:04:37

I can't visualise how the brake adjuster screw could end up not horizontal as its in line with the horizontal brake cable.

http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/23179/1255110107/b2.jpg

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/09/09 at 11:06:52

Skat, if it's not like the picture above take it back immediately.
Tell them somethings wrong and fix it.
I suspect that the brake anti rotation slot is not engaged with the swingarm pin.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by serenity3743 on 10/09/09 at 13:09:22

584B5C5D424F494B401F2E0 wrote:

Skat, if it's not like the picture above take it back immediately.
Tell them somethings wrong and fix it.
I suspect that the brake anti rotation slot is not engaged with the swingarm pin.

I bet he's right.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/09 at 13:33:08

& I aint too bright, but I wouldnt take the other side of that bet..

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by Routy on 10/09/09 at 18:19:14

And if that is the case, post the shop that did it, so we can avoid it !

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/09/09 at 18:26:53

You would be able to look up in there & SEE IF THE TAB ON THE BRAKE IS IN THE SLOT on the swingarm/ OR you could roll it back & step on the brake, if it keeps rolling,, well, you got the picture.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by skatnbnc on 10/10/09 at 19:11:36

See this pic - note the canted thingy. I checked Clymers, no info on this (name or position) Does it need fixed back to horizontal?
I see now that it is really the bolt to the swing arm, BUT it was not like that before! And that end bolt adjusts what?
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2009/10/10/bikepics-1801398-full.jpg

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 10/10/09 at 19:31:18

2A32382D373B373A590 wrote:

If I am understanding you correctly, the bolt that I believe you are referring to is the belt tension adjusting bolt. It should be straight, it looks like the shop did not adjust the belt after putting the wheel back on.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/10/09 at 19:45:23

Now there is a testament to the kind of work these bikes seem to get when they go to a shop. Now, not long ago, someone bought one & it was in the crapper in less than a day & they replaced the motor (IIRC), but it seems these bike get the greenest, wormiest mechanics out there.
What have we seen? One muffler fell off on the way home from having it installed, Seriously, are you KIDDING me? Ive seen at least 2 engines scorched by an idiot installing the filter backwards, Imagine paying shop rates for that kind of "service",,, cough, cough..

Be better off getting together with some friends, cooking up some burgers & working on the bike,,

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/10/09 at 19:48:45

Yep, belt tensioner
should be in line with swingarm
loosen axle and pull it up
it will fit into a groove
push it forward till it does

you got a way to lift the rear wheel off the ground?
lift it
put the bike in neutral
spin the rear tire by hand
the belt should track in the middle
play with the adjustment alittle and you'll see what i mean
i would check the left side first
adjust the belt tension so you can twist the belt about 90°
then adjust the right one to make it track.
when you got it in the middle
spin the tire in reverse
and adjust the belt so it tracks in the middle that way too.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by bill67 on 10/11/09 at 02:40:28

667E74617B777B76150 wrote:

I would take it back to the dealer and show him,I'm sure he want charge and then the guy who did it will know to do it right the next time.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/11/09 at 08:03:48

Good idea, Bill..

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by runwyrlph on 10/11/09 at 13:34:34

39212B3E242824294A0 wrote:

...... And that end bolt adjusts what?

When you tighten the bolt, it pushes that side of the axle back, i.e. aims the wheel more to the right. The one on the left hand side pushes that side of the axle back, aims the wheel to the left.
That's how you tighten the belt/ align the rear wheel.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by skatnbnc on 10/11/09 at 16:00:10

Well crud. The dealer is 1 hour away and only open weekdays when I am at work.
Plus that means I have to ride out there with this thing canted like that.
I did ride the bike route and all day last week for our annual ride, plus my usual daily ride to/from work.

Will it hurt anything to ride like that until I get to the shop? Because I want THEM to fix it - THEY have the bike lift and tools.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/11/09 at 17:17:30

Not making any unusual noises?
tire not rubbing anywhere?
belt not overly tight?
if you can't twist it at all, I'd say it's way too tight.
your call.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by bill67 on 10/11/09 at 18:24:22

120A00150F030F02610 wrote:

If you have been riding it that way it shouldn't hurt to wait and have them fix it.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/11/09 at 23:12:51

That thing will adjust w/o a lift. As long as you can break the axle nut loose, yer in biz. I bet a dollar you can find someone in town who will bust the nut loose, let you adjust the belt tension & align the rear wheel to the frame, which requires no lift & then snug it back up for you. The axle doesnt Have to be incredibly tight. The adjuster is there & with a light load on it, the axle cant drift forward. The specs on torque are in the book & I cant remember it, but I really dont believe an impact is necessary. Take pics & E mail them to that shop. That was some crappy work right there I tell YEW....

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by skatnbnc on 10/12/09 at 08:09:50

372433322D2026242F70410 wrote:

Not making any unusual noises?
tire not rubbing anywhere?
belt not overly tight?
if you can't twist it at all, I'd say it's way too tight.
your call.

Tire not rubbing, no unusual noises.
Belt - I will check it tonite - not riding today, too much rain, and I am worried about that canted piece.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by Phelonius on 10/12/09 at 09:39:55

If the brake plate is not in the slot, applying the rear brake can cause great damage. If it is just that adjuster that is wrong, the wheel may not be in alignment and could cause a handling problem.
At any rate the mechanic pretender who did the job needs to be called to account for a potentially hazardous screw up.
Come visit me for a while. I will give free assistance and education on the care and feeding of your machine.

Phelonius

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by skatnbnc on 10/12/09 at 10:41:21

09313C353637302C2A590 wrote:

Well I have previously offered Savage forum guys to work on my bike - including YOU Pman!!

And, come to think of it, my rear brake did start squealing recently. I just eased off using it....not good I know.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/09 at 21:08:57

If its not in, the you can either prove it by looking or rolling backwards & applying the brake, GENtleee... If it doesnt stop like it should, let off. Youve already proven that IF its not in the slot, its above it, so forward travel & using the brake should be okay. Youll have to get the axle loose to swing that adjuster back up.

Title: Re: Brake rear brake?
Post by skatnbnc on 10/13/09 at 06:17:41

i checked the belt this morning and it is fine, but i am not sure about being aligned or straight because i was late for work, and didnt have time to play with it.

still going to call the shop on this one. will let you know how that goes... :P