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Message started by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 06:22:33

Title: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 06:22:33

I am wondering if a completely unmodified carb on a stock S40 Boulevard can produce satisfactory running (no surging) and no backfires? I mean stock carb and settings, no white washer or mixture or jet changes. If I bought a new S40 Boulevard, could I expect to be able to leave the carb EPA legal? I have a 2006 S40 and it has had the carb mods and runs great. I just wonder if I bought a new carb or a new bike, would it run right without mods. Thanks all....Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by False Illusion on 10/05/09 at 06:41:41

I am still completely stock on an '07. Cold mornings I 1/2 choke until she's good and warm then unchoke. I will get a poof at shut down on occasion and once in a blue moon a backfire...but no decel backfiring. I will need to adjust *IDLE SPEED SCREW* settings again now that it's getting colder.. ;)

BTW...I'm gettin' about 65mpg...

*Modified from my original posting. I apologize for the confusion caused by my lack of differentiation. :-[

HTH(Hope This Helps) 8-)

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Boule’tard on 10/05/09 at 06:44:19

When I first got my '05 I knew nothing about the carb's jetting, how to fix the backfiring, nothing. The prev. owner didn't do anything with the carb. The bike backfired like crazy, surged, and ran hot as hell. Well that set me on the path to some research, to say the least.

To be fair, the pilot jet did have some crud in it, which probably made the backfiring worse. The jet is so small it's prone to clogging, and mine sure needed a good scouring (like with a drill bit) but I didn't buy new jets because I was not going to keep that carb.

It did run great with the spacer removed, mixture screw adjusted, and stock jets.. even with the airbox and exhaust uncorked. You can get by without rejetting.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 06:54:33

False Illusion, I am trying to figure out what you mean by adjust settings again with cold weather coming. What adjustments do you mean? Are you the original owner.....if not is there any possibility that he/she made mods to the carb adj? I appreciate your help. It has given me encouragement that there is hope of being EPA legal and still have a good running bike.
Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by mornhm on 10/05/09 at 06:54:57

My 2004 ran many thousands of miles un-modified without any backfires (it was difficult even to get more than a poof even deliberately). I do not consider drilling out the cover over the adjustment screw to be a modification - you have to be able to get to the adjustment to make it. No surging once it warmed up, started fine even well below freezing temps, and ran fine in the summer.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 07:15:18

Anyone know if carb mods are legal for the owner to do? My bike mechanic said it was legal for me, but not for him.

My '06 S40 Boulevard has had half the white washer removed. That is the only mod I know of, but there may be more since I am not the original owner. I do know that it has a 150 main jet and the idle mixture screw is set at 1 1/2 turns out. Very few muffled back fires and almost no surging.

My Clymer Manual lists 3 carbs for the LS650 and S40. How do you know which carb came on the '07 S40 and which jets are stock? 145, 155 & 125 are the main jets shown in the Clymer Manual, but no mention of what year.

My bike runs great after halfing the white washer thickness, and gets about 57 mpg on the hiway. Most will think me crazy, but I would rather be legal if possible. I would not know which carb to purchase or what jets to replace or their size in the carb on the bike. Is there much exhaust emission difference made by raising the needle by as much as half the washer thickness? What about 145 to 150 main jet?

The Suzuki Dealer in Tifton Georgia said they have not had any returns for surging or back firing on these 650s for about 4 years the parts man has been there yet many on this forum modify the carb to prevent this behavior.

Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 07:21:16

Mornhm, how many turns out on the idle adj screw do you run? Mine was between 2 1/2 & 3 turns out when I got the bike. I found I could screw it in to 1 1/2 turns and get practically the same performance. Maybe even better acceleration. Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Boule’tard on 10/05/09 at 07:51:32

26212A2826312E222D430 wrote:

My Clymer Manual lists 3 carbs for the LS650 and S40. How do you know which carb came on the '07 S40 and which jets are stock? 145 and 150 are at least some of the main jets shown in the Clymer Manual.

Stock '05 had a 145 main, and it's unlikely they'd go richer on a later model.

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My bike runs great after halfing the white washer thickness, and gets about 57 mpg on the hiway. Most will think me crazy, but I would rather be legal if possible. I would not know which carb to purchase or what jets to replace or their size in the carb on the bike. Is there much exhaust emission difference made by raising the needle by as much as half the washer thickness? What about 145 to 150 main jet?

Dude. You would be an absolute fool to buy a new carb, or even any stock carb parts to bring yours back to factory specs, when your bike runs well, you're happy with the performance, and it gets 57mpg (!)

No bureaucrat is ever going to dig into your carb and find your dirty little secret, ooh the white spacer is only half as thick as it should be.. busted!

Think of the environmental costs associated with junking the engine prematurely and building a replacement, because the mixture was off due to legal requirements. Stupid laws should be broken and it's your patriotic duty to break them, IMO.

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The Suzuki Dealer in Tifton Georgia said they have not had any returns for surging or back firing on these 650s for about 4 years the parts man has been there yet many on this forum modify the carb to prevent this behavior.

Right, because everybody knows it's far easier to turn a screw than go back to the dealer just to listen to a bunch of hemming and hawing about how they can't do anything because their hands are tied legally. That's for warranty work, though. Go to a Harley dealer and plunk down the money to convert to Screamin' Eagle gear and they're all "Sir, yes sir! Competition use-only parts coming right up!"

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by mornhm on 10/05/09 at 08:07:21

3E3932303E29363A355B0 wrote:

Mornhm, how turns out on the idle adj screw do you run? Mine was between 2 1/2 & 3 turns out when I got the bike. I found I could screw it in to 1 1/2 turns and get practically the same performance. Maybe even better acceleration. Thanks, Dan

I no longer have the MC, but I adjusted to 2 turns initially, and then fiddled with it over the next couple of maintenance intervals, but settled in about 2. Like you point out the performance was about the same when I was around 2 - it seemed to be a good adjustment not overly critica. I am not a big fan of backfires so that was what I was attempting to eliminate (and the pop pop pop decel). I was not trying to improve my gas mileage, and did not use any instrumentation except that I wasn't getting black soot on the exhaust.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 09:18:02

Boule'tard, You are right in what you say. No one will know my dirty little secret. However, honesty is very attractive to me in all aspects of life. If I will be dishonest in one place, I will be dishonest in others. My guideing light would be distorted toward selfishness. Who is my guide...Jesus Christ. My next dishonest moment might include you. Since I tend to walk the straight line, you are safe in all respects from me. Please don't be offended by my honesty and I do appreciate the effort and information you made to help me. That in itself is a good sign....Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/09 at 09:47:54

Its not illegal to rejet your carb. Its not immoral. Its just making your bike run better & longer. No one will ever even ask if you did, BUT, if you feel the need, you can tell them when you register it & get the inspection sticker. no one will even bat an eye. No one cares. Its not wrong. Its YOurs Now, you can make it yours, The tag on the pillow? YOU can cut it off. The store cant.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Routy on 10/05/09 at 10:04:07

0C001315180F610 wrote:

I am still completely stock on an '07. Cold mornings I 1/2 choke until she's good and warm then unchoke. I will get a poof at shut down on occasion and once in a blue moon a backfire...but no decel backfiring. I will need to adjust settings again now that it's getting colder.. ;)

BTW...I'm gettin' about 65mpg...

HTH(Hope This Helps) 8-)

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by WebsterMark on 10/05/09 at 10:25:15

Ebikerman;
I honestly don't believe The "Render unto Ceasear" rule applies here. (If the EPA outlawed Church buses, would you stand for that? I doubt it) This motorcycle is your private property owned soley by you. "Freedom" is as much a Christian principal as anything else. Make the modifications you feel are needed and sleep sound at night.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by sjaskow on 10/05/09 at 10:42:13

My '06 is completely stock and I can get it to backfire when I use engine braking when I'm coming down an exit ramp and I haul in the clutch. It's worse on 90+ degree days, but I can pretty much do it all the time. I also usually get a tiny poof on shutdown.

I don't seem to get any surges and I seem to have plenty of power and no overheating issues.

The only two things that I've done are was for the first 2500 miles or so I ran nothing but super unleaded in it and I turned the idle screw (the one on the left side of the carb) in about 1/4 turn since it seemed the idle was a tad low after the 600 mile service.

I'm getting between 55 and 60 mpg on a commute loop that's about 15% interstate and 85% surface streets.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by LostArtist on 10/05/09 at 10:49:45

I've always wanted to take apart a carb and rebuild it, but I'm too afraid since I have very very limited mechanical skills (I can change oil and filter and air filter and inflate tires! :P ) and I don't like the idea of not being able to ride because I did something stupid and can't get the bike back together. But I really really want to learn more about the mechanical side of having a motorcycle. but I think I'll start with inspecting the spark plug first, if I can squeeze that in this weekend between classwork

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by PiaFea on 10/05/09 at 11:17:43

I have an unmodified carb on my 2005 Boul S40. Plenty of power on the freeway for me at 75mph cruising. (Bought the bike on 11/11/05)
Pop a little bit, from time to time when shutting of the engine. No popping on smooth deceleration only on voluntary excessive deceleration.

I have not removed the carb yet as of today.

Backfire on control is good sometime. It just like adding a little spices on your dishes.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Boule’tard on 10/05/09 at 11:26:50

33343F3D33243B3738560 wrote:

Ok this is will be way off topic, but I feel compelled to go philosophical again ::)

First, my hat is off to you for even TRYING to walk your religious walk; that's rare. But there are so many interpretations of what course of action is "right" amongst the religions (or even denominations of the SAME religion, supposedly in contact with the same god) that you can easily shoehorn whatever you want to do into the edicts of any religion.. and on most issues the rules are so vague, there is no real guidance to be had. I bought my performance carb kit from Lancer, the biggest holy-roller on this board, and he apparently has no problem running a modified bike and encouraging others to do the same. If you want a full, comprehensive moral code, you might as well start from basic rationality and self-interest (not selfishness) and build up from there.

Another thing to consider is the difference between dishonesty and simply not volunteering information -- absolutely nothing dishonest or un-Jesusy about that. You're under no moral obligation to broadcast the contents of your wife's panty drawer to a bunch of peeping-toms, or the location of your valuables to thieves. Likewise, you're not required to disclose the configuration of your carb to us, and especially not to anyone in a position to do you harm because of it.

The third point to consider is voluntary vs. coerced interactions. You most certainly would be committing a moral foul by being dishonest with me, because any interaction we have is going to be completely consensual and voluntary. If I was going to buy your carb and asked how it's configured, you're not at liberty to lie about it, an obviously immoral fraud. You can tell the truth, that your spacer is shaved, or clam up and say nothing. Then I'm at liberty to buy it or not.

Compare that to interactions with agents of the state. You, me, and everyone are acting under duress when dealing with them.. we do exactly what they say, pay their fees, don't do what they forbid.. regardless of how retarded the law is -- or get jailed, injured or killed. They have all the power and just use force to get their way. Because of this, there is no moral obligation to be honest with agents of the state. For an extreme example, imagine a known jewelry thief coming up to you with a gun in your face, demanding to know where your wife is. You know your wife has her jewelry on. Are you going to feel morally obligated to be truthful with the thief? Of course not.. you're under duress.

So quit fretting about your CARB, DUDE!! :D

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by BurnPgh on 10/05/09 at 11:30:05

It is legal for you to modify the carb...until they start requiring emissions testing for MCs. Until then don't worry about it. I don't recall "though shalt not modify". If you're an environmentalist then you can chnage it back to stock if you like. It wont run as well. It wont last as long. Consider the manufacturing of new parts that will need replacing sooner, the shipping, the packaging, etc. Not to mention if you happen to drop a valve after 30k mi or so while on the highway because you were running stock(lean). The sudden stop will leave you stranded, and with a broken bike requiring much time effort money and resources to repair. If you're really worried about what jesus would think dont ever buy anything that isnt US union made. Otherwise you're more likely than not supporting sweatshop labor which is just a sidestep from slavery. What would jesus think about that?

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/09 at 11:44:46

I can "Get stock" long enough to pass the test.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by False Illusion on 10/05/09 at 12:24:29

484F4446485F404C432D0 wrote:

I modified my original post. I was referring to the "Idle Speed" adjustment setting. I apologize for the confusion.
I am the 2nd owner. The PO had it for 1009 miles ...as far as I know the PO did not mod the carb. I have yet to open it up. It has been doing great since I've owned it.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by False Illusion on 10/05/09 at 12:43:47

7B746E75696F7C7E76786F1D0 wrote:

[quote author=0C001315180F610 link=1254748953/0#1 date=1254750101]I am still completely stock on an '07. Cold mornings I 1/2 choke until she's good and warm then unchoke. I will get a poof at shut down on occasion and once in a blue moon a backfire...but no decel backfiring. I will need to adjust settings again now that it's getting colder.. ;)

BTW...I'm gettin' about 65mpg...

HTH(Hope This Helps) 8-)

How can you be completely stock and yet able to adjust settings.
Completely stock means you can't adjust any settings.
And its just amazing that you're getting better mpg than anyone.
And you're post says nothing about how perfectly well it runs,....if it is completely stock.

My 07 was completely stock, and it was ok,.....but it was not running correctly at intermedeiate speeds, so I fixed it w/ the spacer mod.

My bro has the same bike, and is completely stock. His runs exactly the same way, but he is ok w/ it that way. You don't have to mod a new bike, but if you want it to run correctly, you'll probably have too.

BTW, we both get 45-50 mpg, and both stock bikes afterfire on deceleration, and they both go "poof" when they shut down. ;D

[/quote]

I apologize for the confusion, Routy. I modified my original post. I was referring to the Idle Speed "setting". My terminology was off, sir. The bike actually does run great.

Unless both speedo's (Schwinn and Stock) are off by quite a bit, that is about what I'm averaging...anywhere between 63-65mpg.

That mpg is one of the reasons I kept this bike and didn't look for another... :)

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/09 at 12:53:48

6568726B6273667563070 wrote:

[quote author=33343F3D33243B3738560 link=1254748953/0#9 date=1254759482]Boule'tard, You are right in what you say. No one will know my dirty little secret. However, honesty is very attractive to me in all aspects of life. If I will be dishonest in one place, I will be dishonest in others. My guideing light would be distorted toward selfishness. Who is my guide...Jesus Christ. My next dishonest moment might include you. Since I tend to walk the straight line, you are safe in all respects from me. Please don't be offended by my honesty and I do appreciate the effort and information you made to help me. That in itself is a good sign....Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by verslagen1 on 10/05/09 at 13:19:41

3433383A34233C303F510 wrote:

Just about all dealers will tell they can not adjust your carb. It's either written into the law or is a epa rule.
Now that being said, Your carb was adjusted at the factory. I don't even know if they adjust it while on your bike. The conditions which exist in your area of habitation are different then factory and all bikes are different.
At 57 mpg, your bike is quite efficient. Whiching to stock jetting might improve mpg, might not. I had made the same change (from 145 to 150) and have the same experience. No loss of mpg and improved response.
I adjust the idle mixture based upon the shut down blast. Lean it out as much as you can w/o the shut down being more than a comical poof.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Stimpy on 10/05/09 at 13:31:45

Speaking of choke, I do not recommend leaving the choke
out for more than 30 seconds ON ANY BIKE cause the sparkplug
fouls that way (carbon deposits), better just adjust higher idle RPM's

BTW stock savage carbs seem to be a bit lean
but pretty fuel efficient from what I hear

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Routy on 10/05/09 at 13:59:30

In regards to Boule'tards Post ....
Let it be known that religions and denomination don't matter, ..... there are many paths to God ! My path and hopefully yours is just 2 of them.
Also, if Jesus was here today, I would like to think he would take a ride w/ me, and that he'd be tickled that I had this bike running as good as is humanly possible. ;) :)

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by PerrydaSavage on 10/05/09 at 14:05:02

I run a stock carb on my '05 S40 ... get the occassional backfire on decel, but not very often ... 'cause we generally have cooler weather up here on "The Rock", I often have to run on 1/2 choke for a kilometer or so, otherwise I'll get surging on the throttle (same as with my previous '03 Savage) ... adjusted the fuel/air screw earlier in the summer, so that the Bike runs a little richer ... runs a bit smoother when cold and fuel-milage seems to be down a slight bit too ...

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 15:52:08

WebsterMark,
First, I want to thank you for your encouragement. I don't know if the Caesar rule applies to carb modification, that is the big question. However, we would have to tuck our tails and accept the church bus ruling you mentioned whether we liked it or not.

I like your position on the freedom issue. It would be nice to carry it that far. My interpretation is that I am free to not live the old life which included commiting acts contrary to the law of our land etc. I am free to live a life that is in line with God's desires. What pleases Him is my concern. I could say a lot more on this topic, but this is not the place for it. Let it suffice to say that the carb modification has been done and I am responsible for it. For the most part I am at peace about it.

I really appreciate your encouragement. That means a lot, especially since we do not even know each other. It's good to have someone on your side in any issue. Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 16:04:13

Verslagen1,
Now you have a great answer to the problem. I like your position on conditions being different here and there. Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/05/09 at 16:17:34

Routy,
I like your second remark about Jesus riding on your bike with you. However, your first remark about many paths to God is very weak. All paths lead somewhere, but not all or even many lead to the Creator of the universe.

WOW, this is all stretching the intent of my thread on carb modification. It has been good though to get all this out into the open and toss it around.

Even though it may not seem like it from my response, I appreciate you taking time to address the problem as you see it. I know you are interested in helping solve the problem, what ever it is. I almost have forgotten what it is by now. Thanks, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Routy on 10/06/09 at 04:15:13

quote:
All paths lead somewhere, but not all or even many lead to the Creator of the universe.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is this way of thinking that is a huge problem in the religious world today, and is what Boule'tard was referring to.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by 4carbcorvair on 10/06/09 at 05:51:06

I was getting 65 mpg with mine.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by LANCER on 10/06/09 at 07:38:19

Hey Dan,

You seem to have resolved the issue in your mind already, but I wanted to just throw out my thoughts.
As long as you retain the stock carb, adjusting/tuning/jetting the carb to maximize the efficiency and power of the engine to match you needs of the engine in accordance with you location (altitude, temp and humidity) is totally within any difinition of "stock form".
The carb settings, as it comes off the assembly line in Japan, are not going to be appropriate for 98% of end of the line customers. It is just not possible, because they have no idea where the bike will end up. The factory settings are just a starting point. If the local dealer was actually doing his job, he would rejet/adjust the carb as part of the final checklist when he sells the bike to a customer. If the bike had a computer controlled fuel injection system then it would automatically do the adjustment when you start it up, but being this bike still has a carb then it needs to be manually adjusted. That adjustment, based on local conditions, is completely appropriate & legal in order for the machine to run efficiently.
Jesus would expect nothing less. He was all about being practical, with righteousness.

Is it wrong to replace the factory installed carb with another model ? Not if that carb is jetted and tuned to maximize efficiency. Did Suzuki ever change a carb, or rejet a carb, on a bike ? Of course they have. All manufacturers do it all the time. Models are changed/upgraded all the time. Is it wrong for them to do so ? NO. Is it wrong for us to do so ? NO. As long as we jet and tune the carb/engine unit to maximize efficiency then we have fullfillled the intent of the law.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/06/09 at 15:40:48

Routy,
We will see. Time will tell. You and I will both experience the truth one day. Use your map, I will use mine...Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/06/09 at 15:44:19

Lancer,
You got the right idea. Thanks, I feel better already.....Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/09 at 06:13:26

As long as we jet and tune the carb/engine unit to maximize efficiency then we have [fullfillled the intent of the law.

Filed in the "Wish I'd said that" file.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by bill67 on 10/07/09 at 06:28:51

Jesus would have wanted your s40 to run good and have a loud pipe too,He was into stuff like that,when he wasn't preaching.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Charon on 10/07/09 at 08:17:40

I will simply say this. Jesus and rationalization notwithstanding, anything you do (or have done) to your motorcycle which increases emissions is a violation of Federal law. Doesn't matter whether it runs better or worse, or whether the resulting change is still within spec. If the emissions increase, the law has been broken. "Emissions" also includes noise, so any alteration of either the intake or the exhaust which increases noise is a violation. You are on your own.

Flame away.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/07/09 at 09:38:50

Charon,
Why did you have to be so straight forward and correct? As I suspected, any change in muffler or carb that increases noise or air polution emissions is unlawful. It is plainly written on the muffler, but I have not seen any warnings about carb adjustments yet, but I would bet you are correct. If you want to remain lawful you cannot make the changes we have been talking about. Then, the S40 and LS650 are not suitable bikes for the US market unless left in their original not running too good condition as shipped. If you fix the running problem then you are breaking the law and the bikes are still not suitable for the USA. Nice bikes though. Too bad to be caught in this trap. Also too bad that Japan did not spend the money to make them meet the emission requirements of our country and run good as well. Do you suppose that one could operate in the spirit of the law and make just a small change. So true how the law kills and the Spirit gives life. I need to sell one of my bikes anyway. I may just keep the Virago 250 since it meets emission requirements according to my Yamaha dealer's exhaust test. Thanks for your insight.....Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Boule’tard on 10/07/09 at 18:05:27

6568676A6C7B3B3E090 wrote:

...adjustment, based on local conditions, is completely appropriate & legal in order for the machine to run efficiently.
Jesus would expect nothing less. He was all about being practical, with righteousness.

This is a great. As religious interpretations go, I like the one that requires you to tune your carb best.. turns Dan's legal trepidation right on its head, haha :D

And, reading your post I had to laugh a little at the memory of when I first got the carb (the one with the borked UFO) because upon installation and firing it up...

The most un-holy smoke did belch forth from the bowels of the machine, or possibly the den of Satan himself. As the acrid black mass rolled out, it began to form a shape, like a genie out of a bottle.. but bad. 7 heads. Lucky for me I did have my Oral Roberts prayer cloth to fan it away and shield my innocent lungs from the fumes of the beast, otherwise I might not be here to testify.

So after you sent me the replacement parts (express delivery, folks, Lancer goes out of his way to make things right) I got the UFO seated correctly, did the air bleed mod, and it runs like a Swiss watch now. Well.. a Swiss watch and a small caliber pistol.. perfect, just enough to keep the demons at bay. :)

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/07/09 at 19:07:30

All this is just talk, for fun I hope, not making fun of anyone. One EPA site does say that it is in conflict with the law to make any adjustment or change that causes the vehicle to produce more polution. So, most all of us are outlaws. That is not my desire. Too bad it leaves us with such a choice to make. The bike is a great little bike, too bad the manufacturer let us down and for so many years. This bike should run first class direct from the factory.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by kk lewi on 10/07/09 at 19:59:42

Just by riding a Motorcycle you are doing the world a favor. We produce much less than many Cars and certainly Trucks in emissions. Emissions by manufacturing as well as actual air emissions.

Cars and Trucks are able to produce these emissions due to one word. Guess what it is? It’s “Money!” ofc, silly bird. The big Car and Truck manufactures (with the oil companies behind them) have the money and power. They have the money to lobby our Government. Ever see “Who killed the electric car?” We figured it out many years ago! Big Oil got us back under their wing fast as they could after that.
$4.00+ a gallon gas a year ago has companies working on different things now but….we’ll just see… now that gas is $2.50ish again.

My point is as I see Jesus (if I believed in such things) would be that he was quite into the world, people, conservation, helping, etc. /shrug
He’d drive a motorcycle not just cuz he was cool but cuz he could help the world, people, conservation.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by sansone on 10/08/09 at 04:45:45

I tried hard to keep my new bike stock.. ran MUCH too lean(bad for engine) removed white spacer on slide needle and drilled-out brass plug to access idle mixture screw.. cost nothing, bike runs MUCH better(cooler too) .. I really don't see any merit to not performing simple tasks that only return the carb to it's original design performance. There is not an honesty issue here, just do it ;D

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Ebikerman on 10/08/09 at 05:21:27

KK Lewi,
While thanking you for taking the time to add to this thread I regret that you do not believe in Jesus. He had a mission here on earth, not so much what has been defined by you. He was sent to redeem the people of the world, not to engage in politics, pollution or being cool. On the other hand, I am sure the creator of the universe would not approve of His world being polluted before it's usefullness in it's present form is finished. Jesus wants you to live forever beside Him.....That is His mission.

Better read Charon's message two or three times (above a few entries). He has the facts. All else are excuses to do what we want to our bikes. Not argueing that they need it or not, but it is against the law.

This will be my last entry, but you guys can keep up the discussion as long as it interests you.....Thanks for all, Dan

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by genejohnson on 10/08/09 at 05:40:07

This forum is turning into a religious and political forum more and more every day!!!! Gene :-/

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/08/09 at 05:46:02

Well, he follows his convictions. Maybe that will keep him from ever having any on his record. Im just not that good of a guy I guess.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Charon on 10/08/09 at 06:08:57

Some years ago at work someone raised the question "What would Jesus drive?" The usual answers were on the order of Honda Civics and so forth. I thought about it, and said "A fifteen-passenger van." There were incredulous looks. But think - there are the twelve disciples, Mary, and Jesus. That's fourteen, and the extra seat leaves room for the basket of fishes and loaves.

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by Routy on 10/08/09 at 06:32:16

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While thanking you for taking the time to add to this thread I regret that you do not believe in Jesus.
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Why think negative ?
I didn't read him saying he didn't,..... most do in their own way. Some always think negative. I'll just think positive on that one ;)

Getting back to the carb mods etc, it reminds me in Ca back in the 70's, when some older cars had to be modified to pass the current smog specs, this included retarding the timing below factory specs, and completely disconnecting the vacum advance, all to get them to pass the hydrocarbon test at idle and low speed only. Some would not even run (idle) that way, so instead of installing the "smog kit", the smog inspectors would just hand the customer the kit still in the package just to satisfy the law. Other smog stations would tell you right up front that the car (whatever) now runs terrible, and would show you what to do as soon as you got home,....which included connecting the vacum advance, and advancing the timing. I can remember picking up a dodge van from the smog station one time, and upon any acceleration it backfired thru the carb all the way home. I call ed the shop, they told me their hands were tied, then told me what to do to fix it.
They later realized that while they were reducing HCs at idle speed, it was really poluting more than ever at hiway speeds. That when stuff changed, and the dyno testing came in,......a whole nother story !

Moral of the story, just because the epa wants it that way, that don't mean its right ! ::)

Title: Re: Anyone have an S40 with an unmodified carb?
Post by sansone on 10/08/09 at 06:58:16

let's talk about bikes. It is cheaper than going to a therapist. :D