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Title: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by jsarsfield on 09/27/09 at 16:39:38 Hi new member here. have a 1989 Savage 650 and today I took off the left side controls to clean them and since doing so it stalls as soon as I put it into gear but it runs fine what do you think is the cause? any help would be appreciated. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by verslagen1 on 09/27/09 at 16:52:31 There are 3 safeties on your bike clutch, must be pulled to start bike. kickstand, must be up to be in gear neutral, see kickstand |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by jsarsfield on 09/27/09 at 18:05:52 766572736C6167656E31000 wrote:
It was the kickstand switch ... My last bike never had one .... Thanks ;D |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by kevinphan on 09/27/09 at 18:08:51 Anyway of removing one of the safety so that the bike could start without pulling the clutch in and just with a press of the button? |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by verslagen1 on 09/27/09 at 18:18:52 bypassing safeties are not for nubes. study your wiring diagram and it will be obvious. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by Routy on 09/28/09 at 05:57:52 I too don't like the clutch switch. I try to see a reason for it, as it won't start in gear anyway. I can't see a reason. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by RidgeRunner13 on 09/28/09 at 06:18:05 I don't like the clutch switch either. I "bypassed"mine by taking a wire terminal meant to slide under a screw & putting it in the plug for the switch, cutting off the excess & putting the end back in the clutch switch. Looks like the switch is still hooked up & easily removed if you want to put it back in operation. Just remember, it will start in gear without pulling the clutch in. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by runwyrlph on 09/28/09 at 16:48:18 i keep trying to put my bike in gear with the kickstand down and it stalls! any way i can bypass that safety switch? I'd also like to be able to start it while it's in gear! any way to get that set up ? |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by Charon on 09/28/09 at 17:51:13 It is almost never wise to bypass a safety, whether you like it or not. The bike will start in gear, if the kickstand is up and the clutch is disengaged. Far better that the bike shuts off when in gear with the kickstand down than that you drive off with the kickstand down, then crash when you attempt to make a left turn. That sort of safety switch is usually the result of somebody getting hurt or killed. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by runwyrlph on 09/28/09 at 19:27:11 67706E60606C7A030 wrote:
i'm being facetious! guess i forgot the emoticon ! ;) |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by runwyrlph on 09/28/09 at 19:28:20 57405E50505C4A330 wrote:
i'm being facetious! guess i forgot the emoticon ! ;)[/quote] hmmm was charon being facetious too? this can get confusing :-/ |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by Angie on 09/29/09 at 07:35:23 I wondered what the heck that kickstand light was for, since I've never seen it lit up. Whoever had my bike before me must have bypassed those safety switchs, because I can start it without the clutch pulled in (in neutral that is) and I've never had it die cause I put it in gear with the kickstand down. Usually I put the kick stand up first anyway. I guess you learn something new every day huh? |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by babyhog on 09/29/09 at 08:04:10 7B747D737F6A282D22231A0 wrote:
Stick around here Angie, you'll learn things you never even wanted to know.... LOL BTW, mine doesn't have a kickstand light... as far as I know... |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by Routy on 09/29/09 at 08:06:25 Whats w/ the bike starting in gear. Mine won't. It will not start till the green neutral lite is lit. I think you guys like messin up minds ! |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by babyhog on 09/29/09 at 08:10:29 737C667D616774767E7067150 wrote:
Mine will start in gear with clutch pulled in, as long as the kickstand is up, as Charon said. Thanks goodness, because on the off-chance that I stall it at a stop sign, I'd hate to have to kick it back into neutral before I could re-start it! |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by FreeSpirit on 09/29/09 at 08:46:18 5457565B59433A0 wrote:
Thanks for putting that into words.I feel better already ;D |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by bill67 on 09/29/09 at 08:50:39 There is no kickstand light |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by verslagen1 on 09/29/09 at 08:59:29 Yes there is if it's an '86 |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 09/29/09 at 10:31:51 Owning a bike that does not have the interlocks, I can say, there are safety interlocks that are good and some that make you scratch you head as to "what-were-they-thinking" . Important one is the "If in gear, don't let it start unless clutch lever is pulled in" . I want to figure out a way to install that on the XLH1100. You haven't lived until you get jerked across the garage because you oops'd and started the bike in gear without pulling in the clutch lever. Even worse is when you "reach across" and start while standing next to the bike. Trust me.... :-[ ----------------------------------------------------- The side-stand switch is a head scratcher. If you pull out with it down, first left turn you make it should touch and come up. Anyone that bumped the bike forward accidentally or parked on a hill the wrong way, knows that the side stand can fold up fairly easily. While riding, it may be a bit of a thud and that might wake you up a bit.... so I guess the scare could cause you to crash. ----------------------------------------------------- Now, as for starting when the bike is in neutral, many bikes I had allowed you to start when in neutral without the clutch lever pulled in and still had the requirement to pull in the clutch lever when in gear. So,.... I modified the Savage to do the same and liked it a lot. It's easily to do on the LS650/S40 and since the neutral switch is a non-adjustable switch you don't have to worry about it going out of adjustment. HOW: A fog light relay from the local auto parts store. Placed under the tank, you can get switched power to run the actuator coil from the orange wire and then you can tap into the blue neutral light wire for the switched ground to complete the circiut. Then the two "switch" leads of the relay go to the two Yellow/w green stripe wires in the fat connector under the tank, which are the clutch lever switch wires. What happens is, when neutral light is on, the relay engages, shorting out the clutch lever switch, effectively bypassing it. But if in gear, the N light is not on so no relay power, so the lever needs to be pulled. NOTE: the occasional pinched neutral light wire, where the light is always on, ALWAYS needs to be addressed even without this mod. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/29/09 at 12:44:14 Important one is the "If in gear, don't let it start unless clutch lever is pulled in" . I want to figure out a way to install that on the XLH1100. You haven't lived until you get jerked across the garage because you oops'd and started the bike in gear without pulling in the clutch lever. If you are serious about it, If youd post the wiring diagram, start & ignition circuits, I bet we could figure out a way to go about it. A pic of the clutch lever & the clutch actuator as it passes thru the case & surrounding area, too. The Savage has a microswitch mounted up under the clutch lever with a tab hanging down to actuate it. Hopefully theres room up under the lever to mount a switch & attach a small tab to actuate the switch.Its a normally closed switch, held "Open" unless the clutch is pulled. When you go shopping for a switch, ask for a normally closed switch. If theres no room there then may be down on the actuator arm & if not there, then a switch on the cable housing & an actuator that travels on the cable itself would work, but it might be a little trickier to do. But its doable. As stated above,unless you go with a relay youll have to pull the clutch even in neutral. SO, If I hit the starter switch & its in gear & I havent pulled the clutch, just exactly what is it that doesnt get the 12 volts? |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 09/30/09 at 19:28:29 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
The wire diag in the HD serv manual is not what I would call a professional creation. Usable yes, but it could have been drawn more to the standard electrical / electronic methods. It's not the wiring I'm too concerned about, I am an electronic tech. It's figureing out where to put a switch. I do have some tiny lever type micro switches that are both NO & NC. Other prioriies first though. 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
There is no power going to the starter switch, so it's like hitting nothing. It's a little hard to trace on the wiring diagrams. I did notice that the factory service manual wiring diagrams are easier to read than Clymers. Well, for people have past experience reading wiring diagrams.... |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/30/09 at 20:45:32 Well, Unca Sam force fed me electronics for 9 months, so I am trained well enough to screw things up in less time than most folks, but I can help with this kind of thing well enough. Sounds like you know what to do as well as anyone tho. Holler if I can help. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by Angie on 10/01/09 at 07:40:25 I guess I always start in neutral anyway. In fact, I just make sure its in neutral and fire it up before I get on. Then I can get my helmet on, backpack, etc and by the time I mount up she's warmed up and ready to ride. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling when put into gear. Post by Angie on 10/01/09 at 07:47:44 mack - had to laugh at your comment about reaching across your bike to start it and forgetting that it was in gear. I was in the habit of leaving the Sportster in gear when I shut if off cause I was paranoid about it rolling. When hubby would get on it to ride, he'd get rather testy that I had left it in gear. 8-) So enough crabbing from him finally got me trained to shut it off in neutral. Personally, even though Im the only one that rides the Savage, and I always shut it off in neutral, I still check to make sure the green neutral light is on before I fire it up. I can only imagine how much I'd hear about it if I started my bike in gear and it tipped or ran into the Harley. :-/ |
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