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Message started by tran2112 on 09/19/09 at 21:33:47

Title: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by tran2112 on 09/19/09 at 21:33:47

I purchased a 2009 S40 not more than two weeks ago and I'm loving it! I've put on clear signals and brake light and a side mount license plate. Now I'm looking to add more performance.

I've search on the forums about slip on mufflers and found a couple of brands: Supertrapp, Jardine, Sportster, and Dyna. When I get on their respective sites, I don't know what to buy. I tried to get on ebay to find any deals but I'm afraid to buy just in case it doesn't fit. Plus it seems that when you are looking to buy a sportster or dyna you end up buying two mufflers.

I'd like to go the most cost effective route which is why I'm looking at Sportster and Dyna slip ons. Plus I'd like to get black as well. Any pointers? Thanks in advance! :)

P.S. Oh, I'm planning on buying a Dynojet kit as well as a K&N. Debating on the K&N bc I've seen that not everyone is gung ho about it bc the possible more dirt entering.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Educatedredneck on 09/19/09 at 21:46:48

You can get a Dyna take-off from your local Harley shop if they are frendly enough. You do not want a canister with a cross-over port. It is important that you ask for a take off canister - cause they will try to sell you a new set. Cost anywhere from free to $50 - do not pay anymore than $50

You will need a 1 3/4" exhaust clamp - get one from the harley dealer, about $10 - best clamp out there.

Buy a jet kit from Lancer - $15

Bolt on affair - nothing to it really.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by BurnPgh on 09/19/09 at 22:01:08

If you get a sportster or dyna take off it most likely WILL NOT fit as is. Never fear. The problem is this - The OD of the head pipe is slightly larger than the ID of harley mufflers. Some are able to just really clamp it down hard and it works. Most make a shim. I just cut the ends off a soda can and then cut it down the middle, folded the aluminum over once or twice (cant recall) wrapped it around the head pipe and slid the muffler over it. Then clamped it of course.

One more thing to add just to make fitting it easier. As ER pointed out make sure whatever muffler you get does not have a crossover port. Also, there are two kind of mounts. Tab mounts and rail. A rail mount will be much more simple. Keep looking on ebay. I was able to get a single, brand new, screaming eagle slash cut for $25.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by SavageDude on 09/19/09 at 23:13:57

tran2112, what state are u in? If u r in Southern California near LALA land, I have an extra Sporter muff that u can have and try it out. And if you live near me, you can come over and check out how I did mine. Heck, I might even help you put it in ;)
BTW: Are u Vietnamese?

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by jabman on 09/20/09 at 00:17:36

i used some exhaust paste on mine, smother it round the connections, fit the pipe, bigger exhaust clamp to hold the join together, when its gets hot it sets rock hard and seals the join

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/20/09 at 04:15:13

Supertrapp allows the exhaust to be tuned, sounds really good doing it, too. Pricey.
Foe some increased power, a Dyna muffler & rejetting the carb would save a load of cash &, even tho I Have the Supertrapp & like it for the performance, the Dyna is a lot better looking IMO. Id still make the call I made, I like the Trapp enough to accept that its not so pretty.

Before you spend any $$$ on the carb, talk to Lancer. IIRC he said something about Dyna Jet not being the best way to spend $$ on these carbs..

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by tran2112 on 09/20/09 at 05:54:55

Thanks for all the advice! This is the most comradely forum I've been to. Other forums would see my single post and not bother to answer. I really appreciate it. It's been fun to meet other ppl with the same bike and the same passion.

So this is what the game plan thus far..

Muffler
I just started Chiropractic school so I'm ridiculously poor now so I'm going with the Dyna from a local Harley dealership to be sure that I get the exact muffler you guys suggested. (My school doesn't allow new students to park on campus so that was my justification to buy the bike - haha!) Now I need to do some research on what a "canister with a cross-over port" aka get a "take off canister" and not pay more than $50. I've come to realize that bike shops and mechanic give you better advice and prices when you walk in and at least pretend to know what you're talking about.

Other Mods
Jet Kit - I'm going to shoot Lancer a PM about purchasing a jet kit. Is installing a jet kit for a newbie mechanic an easy process? I tried to reading the DynoJet's 4 easy steps to installing one and noticed there's drilling involved seems difficult.

Air Filter - So K&N? I saw that the Savage Store suggests a brand different from K&N bc it doesn't require oiling. But I also read that a lot of ppl do not suggest an air filter because of the debris entering the engine.

I'm also planning on getting the HID headlight conversion kit. Getting old and my eyes are terrible at night.

1D2F382F292B0A3B2A2B4E0 wrote:

That would have been awesome but I'm actually in Dallas, TX. Yep, I am Vietnamese. Wanna halfway and get some Pho in NM or AZ? HAHA!

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/20/09 at 06:01:27

I am in Longview & VHSKid is in Tyler. Holler if you are heading East.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Routy on 09/20/09 at 06:03:55

I elected to keep the stock muffler and open it up a little, ...for the very reason of these other mufflers not fitting.
Not only the problem of pipe sizes not being correct, also confusion of the angle not being correct, and having to use an adapter made at a muffler shop, and others not having the mounting hole in the right place, and having to bend tabs on others.
I don't even know if "any" of these mufflers actually fit right on w/o modifying something.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by tran2112 on 09/20/09 at 06:43:22

545B415A46405351595740320 wrote:

SavageDude graciously is sending his extra muffler to me as long as I pay him for the shipping costs. Just as important, he's sending me the installation documents. I'm going to compare SavageDude's docs versus EducatedRedneck's advice on getting a 1 3/4" exhaust clamp. If you want, I can let you know how everything goes. I'm definitely not a gear head but I'm trying to learn to save me $. I'm so glad that these guys are here to help me with this adventure I'm starting.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by flcruzr on 09/20/09 at 07:48:43

2C2A39366A69696A580 wrote:

Tran, Welcome to the site, Everyone in here is very helpful and willing to assist when needed. Now, we love pics so how about posting pics of your new ride and mods you've done so far.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/20/09 at 08:04:28

Tran, when you start making changes, document performance FIRST, then compare. Make one change at a time, then test. Otherwise, youll get a bunch of stuff done & not know what physical change relates to what performance change. I didnt do it that way & I wish I had..

Title: Pics of Clear Lenses & Side Mount License Plat
Post by tran2112 on 09/20/09 at 14:25:35

@Justin, point taken. I'll wait until I get SavageDude's extra muffler and slap that on and wait on Lancer's jet kit then the fourth week do a intake.. then the white spacer... looks like weekends are full of football, riding, and tweaking! :)

@flcruzr, I added clear lenses all around and a side mount license plate. I need to get different screws to hold the actual plate. That red is killing me. I'm planning on blacking out everything that's chrome on there so powder coating the header, exhaust, well pretty much anything that can be powder coated. I'd like to change out the side mirrors for something alot smaller.

Click to enlarge.
http://images51.fotki.com/v1584/photos/8/52858/7974998/IMG_0612-th.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/davidtran/bike/img0612.html)

http://images46.fotki.com/v400/photos/8/52858/7974998/IMG_0624-th.jpg (http://public.fotki.com/davidtran/bike/img0624.html)

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Routy on 09/20/09 at 17:39:23

Tran,
Whats the reason for the clear lens ? I haven't heard that talked about before.

Title: Clear Lenses (Signal and Rear Brake Light)
Post by tran2112 on 09/20/09 at 17:58:23

5A554F54484E5D5F57594E3C0 wrote:

Tran,
Whats the reason for the clear lens ? I haven't heard that talked about before.

I like all my vehicles "clean" in colors. Back in the mid 90s, a lot of third party companies made clear corners, clear tail lights, smoked lenses, etc. Remember the infamous blackouts? I hated those soooo bad.. Oh dear... Nowadays, car manufacturers develop the car with these accessories already installed i.e. the Lexus RX. I remember back then I used to buy clear everything, tint, alarm, CD player, CD changer, rims, speakers, etc. Now my latest ride, a 2006 Honda Element, I've only bought a billet grille and took off all my emblems. It came with everything else.

I just think it cleans up the looks a lot. You can kind of see the color of the bulb but it isn't that recognizable. That's why the reflectors on my license plate are bugging me quite a bit. I just took off my side mirrors too - haha.. I just think less is more...

What do you think?

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/20/09 at 19:17:25

I used to buy clear everything, tint, alarm, CD player,

Thats a serious dislike for too many colors, I do like the monochrome look, but clear tint is just too much, man! :D

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Routy on 09/21/09 at 06:57:53

What do I think ?
Its too late for me ! But when I was young, I thought kinda like you too ;)

There ain't much I would change on this bike, ....like it just the way it looks.
But if I can do anything to make it run just a touch better, I'll do it.
But, I'm tellin ya, for a single cylinder, this is the smoothest running/idling bike I could even imagine.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Rocco on 09/21/09 at 09:56:42

i guess clear to u is flat black to me! lol

with the muffler, i had the same problems/questions last week when puttin my sportster muffler on.

i wound up drilling a hole through the old bracket for the stock muffler, making another bracket from a plate that held a dual honda muffler together and a couple trips to home depot to buy bolts that won't rust lol !

i used to be a car guy, but now i find myself reading easyriders and motorcyclist instead of car craft and 5.o mustang. with this bike, i've learned u can't really hurt it too bad, and there's way too many helpful people on here to mess stuff up that bad!

jesse james once said "if a hammer doesn't work, get a bigger hammer!"

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by tran2112 on 09/22/09 at 16:07:14

@Justin, hahaha.. I gotta remember to read my post before publishing!

@Routy, I can totally see what you mean. There's a reason why Suzuki designs them the way they do which is why they've been around for sooo long.

@Rocco, I'm looking to powder coat my exhaust, header, and everything else that's metal flat black as well... now I just need money - haha!

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Educatedredneck on 09/22/09 at 23:07:15

Tran,

Lancer's jet kit is easy, Just remove the float bowl and swap out the jets.

I forgot to tell you that you WILL need a spacer, I'm sorry, sleepy I guess - easy and best way is to remove the head pipe and take it and the canister to a muffler shop. They can even make it long enough, and put a slight bend in it to keep the soot off the rear brake arm.
Even if you have to ride to the shop, it wont take very long. Then get a different exhaust shield, cause the Suzuki one will not do.

See my pics below of a Dyna canister and extension pipe.

http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2009/02/26/bikepics-1583104-full.jpg

Close up of extension

http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2009/02/26/bikepics-1583103-full.jpg

Pic of bike with the pipe - the extreme blueing you see is from having to ride the bike to work without re-jetting the carb - dumb but at the time necessary - :-/ :-/

http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2009/02/26/bikepics-1583102-full.jpg

Pic of my bike with my drag pipe on it. I cut down my extension, and used it as a spacer along with my harley clamp.

http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2009/02/26/bikepics-1583106-full.jpg

She was kind of dirty there - rode home in the rain!!!

If anyone can resize the pics, please feel free to do so :)

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by DesertDweller on 09/23/09 at 07:01:30

0037302C12252A420 wrote:

I am still not clear on this , I measure the OD of the pipe on my S40 as 2" , now does the dyna slip on that? or in that? How does the 1 3/4 clamp go around all that? Are there other model screaming eagle's that would fit? like http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200386620399&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Thanks guys

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Educatedredneck on 09/23/09 at 22:05:06

If I remember correctly, the OD of the head pipe at the junction for the canister is a little less than 1 3/4", thus the need for "spacer" material or a filler/extension piece. The ID of the Harley Dyna canisters are 1 3/4" +/-. The clamp can expand and contract enough to allow for some variance. You will have to "put your ass" into it when tightening it up. Just don't go overboard on it.

Rail Type Dyna canisters are the best - they will allow you to remove and replace the head pipe and cansiter combination together as one piece, once assembled.

This is about the easiest mod we Savage owners can do to our bikes. The hardest part is getting a good seal between the head pipe and the exhaust canister.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/23/09 at 22:13:30

You will have to "put your ass" into it when tightening it up. Just don't go overboard on it.

Whaddya think.. maybe just one cheek?

Or would that just be half assed?

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Routy on 09/24/09 at 06:16:37

The OD of the head pipe is slightly larger than the ID of harley mufflers. Some are able to just really clamp it down hard and it works. Most make a shim. I just cut the ends off a soda can and then cut it down the middle, folded the aluminum over once or twice (cant recall) wrapped it around the head pipe and slid the muffler over it. Then clamped it of course.
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I measure the OD of the pipe on my S40 as 2"
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Now why does this have to be so confusing ?
Is it just me, or doesn't the above statements make any sense.
If the header pipe (2"od) is bigger than the 1 3/4 id of the muffler, why do we need a shim around the header pipe when its already too big ?

Or is the above all messed up ?

In plain english, maybe someone could verify that the following statement mite be correct ?

The id of the harley...etc mufflers are 1 3/4"
The od of the header pipe is a touch smaller than the 1 3/4" id of the mufflers.
Therefore a shim is wrapped around the header pipe to make it the same size as the id of the mufflers.

Figuring that is settled, where does the angle problem come in at ?
I remember someone having to add a 7 degree adapter to the muffler mod,.......but maybe I was dreaming.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by DesertDweller on 09/24/09 at 06:29:51

50475646474E4E5B514D4C220 wrote:

Cool, so the header pipe reduces to less then 1 3/4" I can make that work, thanks !

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by DesertDweller on 09/24/09 at 06:32:00

6E617B607C7A696B636D7A080 wrote:

I noticed you drilled out your muffler, did you take the last silencer out all the way? Like I did, do you have trouble with "afterfiring"?
The shotgun blast sounds when decelerating? if not, what is your jet setup?

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Bubba on 09/24/09 at 06:55:22

I resized the above pics...how do I insert them into the post??? :-?

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by babyhog on 09/24/09 at 07:28:03

4F786F6F6C3C3D353E0D0 wrote:

I resized the above pics...how do I insert them into the post??? :-?

You have to save the pics to another hosting site, we use bikepics or photobucket mostly, I think (I use photobucket). Then when you reply to a message, click the third icon "Insert Image". It will put img tags into where you are typing. ("IMG" surrounded by brackets) Copy and paste the picture link between the IMG tags... (first tag tells it to open the pic, / tag tells it the end of the pic) Click your "preview post" button at the bottom to make sure it inserted it correctly, and post!

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Routy on 09/24/09 at 07:44:32

DD quote:
I noticed you drilled out your muffler, did you take the last silencer out all the way? Like I did, do you have trouble with "afterfiring"?
The shotgun blast sounds when decelerating? if not, what is your jet setup?
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All I did was drilled 8 7/32 holes evenly spaced in a circle midway between the rivets and the center hole. I didn't remove anything. The 8 holes even look like their supposed to be there ::)
It sounds great on idle (a little louder) It is probably a little louder at speed, but can't really hear how it sounds. It didn't make much, if any difference on afterfire,...still does it.
The white spacer mod makes it feel like a new bike, but didn't change the afterfire any at all. I assume the jets are stock, and I don't plan to change them,....as it runs so good.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by srinath on 09/24/09 at 09:32:00

I am running these - hand made by me ... but they do let you remove that ugly ass muffler carrier.

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/mcy/1383501096.html

I could make a bolt on version of these, it does have a baffle and what not, and it seemed to work fine with stock jetting because I have it flow restricted in a way, but it has a hard edged noise to it.

Not burbly, more like individual dom, dom dom dom, instead of brruuum brrrrrummmm ...
I like it though, and its light and can be hung off the head no problem. No need for ugly ass carrier arm.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Bubba on 09/24/09 at 09:43:55

Resized for your veiwing pleasure...

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz155/onelunger/bikepics-1583106-full.jpg

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz155/onelunger/bikepics-1583104-full.jpg

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz155/onelunger/bikepics-1583103-full.jpg

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz155/onelunger/bikepics-1583102-full.jpg

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by DesertDweller on 09/24/09 at 10:02:54

"I am running these - hand made by me ... but they do let you remove that ugly ass muffler carrier.

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/mcy/1383501096.html "

Nice work, looks great.
Do you have a sound file or a youtube for this muffler?

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by BurnPgh on 09/24/09 at 11:17:44

5D5248534F495A58505E493B0 wrote:

Figuring that is settled, where does the angle problem come in at ?
I remember someone having to add a 7 degree adapter to the muffler mod,.......but maybe I was dreaming.

The bend is just to keep exhaust soot off the brake arm. Ugly doesnt bother me so I didnt bother with a bend. A damp rag now and again is just as effective.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by srinath on 09/24/09 at 12:17:10

79584E584F49794A585151584F3D0 wrote:

I dont. It sounds like a straight pipe more than a HD muffler or any other pipe really.
I actually dont know how to even make a sound file, I'll figure it and put on out.
Here is the best part, it may work without rejet, it can be made for $50 or less, it may not need welding, though I would be more secure with welding instead of just clamping it, and it can be made in stainless.
And its light and you can lose the carrier with it.
I'll get back on here with a sound file.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Confused about buying a slip on muffler..
Post by Educatedredneck on 09/25/09 at 00:29:33

Bubba,

Thanks for the resize. Makes it easier for everyone.