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Title: Sta-bil Post by rl153 on 09/05/09 at 08:18:24 A mechanic told me using stabil in the gas for winter storage can gum up the carb .Is there any truth to that ? Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by jabman on 09/05/09 at 08:26:24 i thought that stuff was to stop gumming up the carb and to stop the fuel going 'off' you could drain the carb first before you put it away |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by clueless on 09/05/09 at 11:17:59 I put it in anything I have that won't be run for extended periods. I put it in the tank, let it mix, and then run it enough to get it in carbs and fuel lines. Never had a problem. Jim |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by Routy on 09/05/09 at 14:22:28 I know it keeps gas good for a long time, so I would think the carb would be safe too. But in my experience,....over many years, ;) I have never had any problems from bad fuel for at least a year,....and even 2. Rich |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/09 at 14:39:34 If you pulled the line to the carb & ran it till it died & drained whatever was left, wouldnt that be about as good as it gets? Or would a full carb be better than a dry one? Would the bowl gasket dry out & cause a leak next spring? HEY! I know..Move South so you dont have to park it for months. OR, Butch up & ride, like Digger. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by clueless on 09/05/09 at 14:54:47 you're correct about that Justin. The AMA says we average about 4 days a year not suited for riding. Cold and wet don't count. Just ice. But below about 45, I freeze my rear end off. Not fond of riding in the rain either. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by JohnBoy on 09/05/09 at 16:29:10 I have used Sta-bil for years with good results. I don't know how it will work with ethanol fuel mixes. They use an ethanol blend out here in Phoenix. If I have to store a bike for a while I replace the fuel with aviation gas. I know from experience that aviation gas will last for up to a year. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by boofer on 09/05/09 at 23:14:49 Rl153, I use Sta-bil in my emergency generator with 7hp Robyn engine. (As per directions on bottle) As stated before, let it run and get into the carb. With my lawnmower I just tie down the blade safety and let it run dry. Always cranks ok in spring with fresh gas. Boofer |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by dasch on 09/06/09 at 10:15:30 I never used any fuel additives on my bikes. I do take the battery out over winter. For gas - I crank it up every once in a while with jump cables. If road is dry, I reinstall battery and take it out for a spin. Never had a slightest problem. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by PTRider on 09/06/09 at 10:40:08 426760664A6771080 wrote:
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http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/default.aspx Modern gasoline does not remain good in storage as gasoline did years ago. Either draining the tank (good idea in a dry climate like Arizona) or filling to the top with gasoline plus Sta-bil or equal is best. Running the disconnected carburetor dry is good. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by boofer on 09/07/09 at 20:38:49 Last week my brother's ATV wouldn't start--just turned over and tried once. He only rides from September to about February fixing deer stand up and while hunting. Gas sits in there about 6 months in hot closed shop. I don't recommend this, but I gave it the sniff test. It won't always tell you when gas is still good enough to run, but it will tell you when it is too bad to use. Bad gas smells like paint thinner. Boofer |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/09 at 23:40:03 Dont ATV's have plastic tanks? My Yamaha does. If hes not gonna ride it, he should drain it. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by babyhog on 09/08/09 at 10:17:54 So is all this recommended even in a garage that is climate controlled? We've never had any trouble with our 4-wheeler or riding lawn mower, but I don't want to be that careless about my bike! This will be my first winter with it, and I want to do the right things. Fill the tank or drain the tank? Use Stabil or not? Remove the battery or trickle charge it? |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by bill67 on 09/08/09 at 12:28:50 I use Sea Foam in the gas does same as sta-bil but has some oil in it. I just charge the battery and it last all winter here which is about 4 months, I never fill the tank or drain it. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by Charon on 09/08/09 at 15:46:00 Just remembering High School Chemistry, chemical reactions take place more slowly at lower temperatures. An unheated garage or shed in winter would seem to be the best for slowing chemical reactions, such as fuel oxidizing or spoiling in some other way. It would also slow the evaporation of volatile parts of the fuel (fuel being a blend of hydrocarbons). By the way, since batteries are also chemical systems, self-discharge of batteries takes place more slowly at low temperatures. There are one or two posters on this board who seem to have worked in the petroleum industry, or who at least seem to know a good bit about petroleum products. Perhaps one of them will chime in and describe in some detail just what it is about gasoline that goes bad over time. Do some of the volatiles evaporate out? Do some of the "cracked" hydrocarbons recombine? Do some components polymerize? Just what happens? And what does Sta-Bil do about it? |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by FreeSpirit on 09/08/09 at 19:14:31 I filled my tank up last winter and used sta-bil.Didnt drain the carb.But let the bike run awhile to mix the sta-bil in. No problems that I know of.I did this because that was what I kept reading online through searches,everywhere.But some that didnt mention stabil said to drain the carb! I personally feel the sta-bil keeps the carb from getting gummed up and according to what I read also! And the auto parts store guys said so also.So I was pretty convinced it would and did. I've heard its not good to have a low battery in the winter,at least outside because it would do harm to the battery in freezing weather.I had my battery in the bike ,outside,forgot to keep it charged and it was no good this spring.So it did harm my battery.(Got really cold here last winter) I am building a bike only shed before this winter ;) My other shed/storage building was/is too full to put the bike in. My friends keep their bikes in a garage or shed and do little to them in the winter except maybe use a trickle charger. I did use a Motorcycle cover,but that didnt do alot of good I dont think except to keep the rain off. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by ALfromN.H. on 09/08/09 at 20:04:59 I plug in the battery tender and put a cover on it. Never had a problem yet. AL |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by boofer on 09/08/09 at 20:26:37 I just noticed one poster is from Georgia and one is from New Hampshire. Just guessing, but maybe we are all right in our winter preps. Just harsher weather in some places. I will try to ride my Savage enough to keep it charged. I am too old to brave freezing weather, but we have a lot of 45-50 days. I have a snapper mower in unheated area. I crank it about once a month and cut up leaves. Works great and get 4 yrs from Snapper batteries. Tried cheap battery once--got one year. BTW a fully charged battery, due to specific gravity shouldn't freeze. (Can anyone back me up on this?) Saw a guy put charger on a car battery he didn't know was frozen. It exploded. Boofer |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by Pabst 2006 on 09/15/09 at 16:31:17 425D0442504404330 wrote:
Last November when I bought a Battery Tender Jr, I went on their site to read up on battery winterizing. From what I recall was on their site, a 100% fully charged battery wouldn't freeze until -50 to -60 degrees F. A 40% charged battery, on the other hand, would freeze perhaps at only 16 degrees F. They did mention it was important to keep your battery fluid levels at the appropriate range a.k.a. add distilled water it if looks a little low. I don't know if the freezing point is affected if a battery's cell(s) is/are low on water. -Pabst |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by FreeSpirit on 09/15/09 at 18:06:12 4548464612240 wrote:
Is your bike inside or outside? |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 09/16/09 at 10:13:01 If you follow the directions on the bottle, STA-Bil is a good product. If you use the train of thought that my grandfather did, "If a little bit of a good thing works, then four or five times the amount must be great" you will find that the improper mix can leave a coating on the sparkplug ceramic that can short the plug causing bad or no spark. Of course that makes one think the ign system went bad over the winter and not the simple thing. The first year I had to get his lawnmower running, took me a few hours (and beers ) to figure out what happened. Found out by accident when I pulled the starter cord without a good ground on the plug. :o It isn't shorted when it has a good high resistance human body ground.... The second year, was about an hour and that was mostly the "he couldn't have done it again" train of reasoning that prevented me from looking at the gas. The third year, about 5 minutes of changing a plug and draining the gas to a bigger container so I could mix in enough fresh gas to dilute the Sta-bil. No fourth year because I started winter-izing the mower. |
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Title: Re: Sta-bil Post by Digger on 12/09/09 at 20:32:20 I think Sta-Bil is good stuff, but you need to keep an eye on it. I had some of the red Sta-Bil on the shelf for a few years once. I picked up the bottle and noticed a good deal of precipitate on the bottom. It had gone bad. Speaking of Sta-Bil, has anyone had any experience with the green Sta-Bil (the stuff made for use with ethanol-laced gas)? |
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