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Title: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/01/09 at 14:14:56 Does anyone know about how much oil is needed to fill from the low line to the high? It seems to take quite a lot, but I don't want to overfill it. If I add a litttle at a time, it seems to take forever to flow down. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/09 at 14:25:19 Shouldnt take any time at all to see the effects of what you just added. It goes thru the hole & bounces off a small L shaped baffle & its in the crankcase. I have a 3 oz bottle that came with the weedeater. Its a 4 stroke. It makes a clear difference in the oil level in the window, but Ive not measure the amount of oil needed to get from low to full. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by bill67 on 09/01/09 at 14:26:52 I'm only guessing put it seems to take about 1/2 quart from one line to the other. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/01/09 at 15:11:01 I thought about a half qt. also, but wasn't sure. I like the 3 oz idea. Also didn't know how much it had to go thru to get to the bottom. The reason I ask is that I had to suck some oil back out once, pain! |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by verslagen1 on 09/01/09 at 15:37:17 6F786978786A3C080 wrote:
Open timing port and tip it over next time. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/01/09 at 15:50:45 That sounds like a capital idea, but if you will look at my bike, it's a trike! I found a 60cc syringe and some tubing at work. It isn't hard once you get the hang of it. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by runwyrlph on 09/01/09 at 16:31:49 how about a big pic of the trike? |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/09 at 18:45:51 I swear, some day Im gonna remember to cut a couple of grooves in the first 1/2" or so of the threads on the drain plug. If I do get too much in, I can back it out till the oil drains slowly out the grooves & not worry about it popping all the way out & draining the crankcase completely. If ya do that, make sure you clean those threads up, best to put a nut on & back it off & chase the threads, or use a die, or a thread file,,wouldnt want to screw up the threads on the engine. Or stick metal bits in.. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Routy on 09/01/09 at 21:49:08 Does anyone know that over filling is a problem ? When I bought mine, the oil was 1/2 way between the lines when setting on the sidestand. It didn't seem to be hurting anything. I didn't even know it was too full till I read the "how to check oil" thread on this forum. And it must have been that way for a while because the oil was a bit dark when I changed it. Rich |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by verslagen1 on 09/01/09 at 22:02:21 7E716B706C6A797B737D6A180 wrote:
It's not really a problem unless you have one. It may cause weak seals to pop or leak. But that in conjunction with another problem. Internally, may cause foaming, which leads to bubbles in the oil stream, which leads to advanced wear in the journals and bearings. A little too much oil is better than no oil. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by boofer on 09/01/09 at 22:02:37 Routy, I have been told all my life (and read in manuals) that overfilling any internal combustion engine can cause foaming of the oil because of oil being "whipped" by rod caps, crank, etc. Foaming oil is not pumped effeciently, and causes a shortage of oil to the parts. Plus your air filter and air box may get soaked in oil. Boofer |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 05:10:25 Here's a pic of the "trike" except it is not a true 3 wheeler. The back wheel is still on. I chose this way because I am 68 and this is my first bike. At my age I do not want to hit the ground! http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2009/09/02/bikepics-1770702-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 05:14:30 I'll try this again, smaller I hope. http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/1770702-200.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by bill67 on 09/02/09 at 05:35:47 If you right click and vue imagine it comes out smaller |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Jimmer on 09/02/09 at 05:37:15 Oldnewgoy Your trike looks great. Who was the manufacturer of your trike kit. This maybe my next modification. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 05:54:43 That's a Voyager. Can see them online with a video. Cost is about 4K plus 200-250 for install. You can install it yourself, but I chose not to cause I didn't have a facility at the time. There are dealers all over the country i think. They are out of IL. mtcvoyager.com Tel. # 877-434-7901. They will send you a DVD. I'm lovin' mine especially with the backrest for my arthur itis. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 06:28:24 Back to the oil level thing. I have 3 different bottles of engine stuff that are 12 oz and have long necks. If i can find one with the little window thingey in the back, that would be more super. I'm going to carry one full of oil and the long neck will negate the need for a funnel. Thanks for the ideas! |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/09 at 06:55:42 Before you get all tied up in your mind over over oiling a wee bit, crank your bike up and let it idle while looking at the oil window in the upright position. Hey, lookie !! -- a good bit of your oil goes into circulation (oil pump, galleries, tranny shafts, head, coating gears etc) so your window oil level drops a good bit when the engine is actually running. Shut it down with the kill switch and immediately look in the window for signs of foaming as the oil level rises back up in the window. Foam rises to the top of the oil mass, and would be visible at the window oil line if it was present. Foam not there, then don't worry about it. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Routy on 09/02/09 at 07:09:00 I know that by design, some engines can be critical to over oiling, but from what I saw on mine, this 650 is not one of them. Rich |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 07:09:35 Got it! Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 07:10:32 Both of you. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/09 at 09:57:22 That 3 Oz bottle has a screw on nozzle, like a tube of silicone. A silicone tube nozzle screws onto the plastic tight enough that it doesnt leak. I fill it, wrap it in a rag & drop it in the bag. If I get low on oil, 3 OZ is enough to make it plenty happy for the trip home. Whats that? I see a hand up? Ohh Yes.. Whats your question? Mr Justin, where can I get ME one of them cute & ever so functional bottles like YOU have? Well, I got mine in the box when I got the Craftsman 4 stroke weedeater. They dont sell them off the shelf, BUT, when this one craps out Im gonna look at a 2 stroke oil bottle. In the Chainsaw Oil department there are 4 Oz bottles & I hope my nozzle tip will screw on that. Keep an eye out for a bottle with a nozzle tip. No funnel needed that way. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by serenity3743 on 09/02/09 at 10:12:02 How about a shampoo bottle with a "press-to-open" top? You could either clean out the shampoo and put some oil in the bottle, OR the cap might screw right on to the 3 oz oil bottle. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by mpescatori on 09/02/09 at 10:55:21 706671666D6A777A30343730030 wrote:
Now THAT's a GOOD idea !!! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by serenity3743 on 09/02/09 at 12:58:55 3B26332535372239243F560 wrote:
Now THAT's a GOOD idea !!! 8-)[/quote] Yeah, I think it's a good idea. I can just squirt the oil into the oil fill hole even without a funnel. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by EJID on 09/02/09 at 13:35:34 263027303B3C212C66626166550 wrote:
Actually you can buy the small travel size empty bottles at Wally World which should work really well for tossing in the saddlebags like this ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Routy on 09/02/09 at 14:28:04 Am I haluctinating, or are we really talking about carrying motor oil in a saddle bag ? How much oil are these engines burning that would make you even think of carrying oil in a bag ? If mine was ever to start burning 3 oz of oil in less than a few thousand miles, it would be in the shop finding out why ! How much oil could they burn before you's would consider them completely worn out ? You're all scaring me now. Maybe I missed something along the way :o |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 14:45:24 I originally asked the question because my bike seems to need oil at times and I do not keep it at the high mark, just in between low and high. Sometimes she seems to use a little more like on hot days and hilly conditions. So my question was to find out approximately how much to add at the low mark to bring it to the high mark. The real problem to me is the fact that you can't just stop at any store and pick up motorcycle oil. I tend to ride in very rural areas and there are few places to buy MC oil. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Routy on 09/02/09 at 16:15:57 I thought that was the reason for the 2 lines,....to work inbetween them,......w/ probably at least 8 ozs difference between them. I really wouldn't know any reason to not run on the top line,....kinda like running "full" on a dipstick ? But there is one thing that I know for sure, if I ever got in a tight spot,....like an oil leak etc etc, and I needed to buy oil, oil would be oil, .....there would be no thoughts of "MC " oil,.....if there is really such thing anyway ::) Rich |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/02/09 at 17:28:49 You are probably right on that count, but I was told that running auto oil was not good. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by bill67 on 09/02/09 at 18:36:39 I've used auto oil in motorcycles, clutch wasn't quiet as smooth but it really does hurt unless you drag race a lot. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by verslagen1 on 09/02/09 at 18:37:27 Some auto oils are acceptable and some are not. To top off 1/2 qt, I wouldn't worry to much about, fill'er up. but avoid the "energy conserving" kinds. and if that's all there was, change at 1st opportunity which means drive to a m/c shop and drop the oil right there in their parking lot and realy piss'm off. ;D Otherwise, diesel oils would be 1st choice. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Serowbot on 09/02/09 at 18:43:48 I've got 22k miles on 10w-40 auto oil with no problems at all... changed every 2k... |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/03/09 at 04:26:03 I still think I will carry a few ozs in my tool pouch! In my world, "what can go wrong - does" |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/09 at 07:09:37 You do know that oil (any sort of oil) expands slightly when it gets hot. You should check your oil hot each time, as hot is most of the time and cold requires you to remember to do it before starting out. Checking hot then cold would make you wonder where the oil went. If you added oil because of this scenario, then checked it hot the next time, then you get the dreaded "omigosh I've over-filled it !!" syndrome. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/03/09 at 13:09:39 Actually the only time I over filled it was when I changed the oil and filter. The dealer said it would take 2.1 qts. I added 2 and the site glass was full. I had to suck out about 60cc to get it down to max. To check it hot, how long do you have to wait for all the oil to drain down for an accurate reading? |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by serenity3743 on 09/03/09 at 13:35:06 7C6B7A6B6B792F1B0 wrote:
I check my oil level pretty much every fill-up. By the time I've pumped the 2 gallons or so, the oil is mostly in the crankcase. So that's a 2 or 3 minute wait. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/03/09 at 14:42:24 Great! That will get me a ball park guess when I am adding oil. I was adding a few ozs and then had no idea how long to wait to see if I needed to add more. So the answer to my original question is 1/2 qt. Let settle 2-3 minutes. Works for me!! Thanks people! |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by EJID on 09/03/09 at 15:30:35 33243524243660540 wrote:
Took a 3 page post to get to the bottom of this, but I'm glad everyone was able to help you out. ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/03/09 at 15:57:53 Don't ya just love it? |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Routy on 09/03/09 at 16:57:31 I love my way,.......after draining, dump 2 qts in it, and forget it. I just couldn get so critical over a few ozs of oil. I'm positive my bike couldn't care less either ::) |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by photojoe on 09/03/09 at 18:05:00 Since I have the infamous oil leak, I know it's time to add when I don't see any oil on the fins and battery case after a ride. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by bill67 on 09/03/09 at 19:37:30 68677D667A7C6F6D656B7C0E0 wrote:
Two quarts is low |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Routy on 09/03/09 at 22:08:02 You say its low, The sight glass shows its high. And remember, the bike couldn't care less, So, guess what,......the bike wins :) |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by serenity3743 on 09/04/09 at 08:00:26 3B3035356F6E590 wrote:
Two quarts is low[/quote] In my bike, two quarts is perfect. It has never held what the manual says it should hold. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by verslagen1 on 09/04/09 at 09:08:32 425443545F58454802060502310 wrote:
Two quarts is low[/quote] In my bike, two quarts is perfect. It has never held what the manual says it should hold.[/quote] same here, last night, drained oil, changed filter, tipped from side to side, poured in 2 qts. Ran it, let sit overnight, oil level right to the middle. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/04/09 at 13:05:21 And remember, the bike couldn't care less, If this is true, then why have a high mark? We should add oil untill the site glass is full? |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by verslagen1 on 09/04/09 at 14:33:20 796E7F6E6E7C2A1E0 wrote:
Don't take that so literally and to the extreme. The bike will operate best when filled to the correct level. Overfilled a little shouldn't be an issue unless there's some event that would cause the worst case senario. Like all the vents are blocked or oil being foamed be the crank or... or... or... I don't think that up to 1/2 a qt. can be added to a stock bike running on flat ground, minimum bumps, well coordinated turns, minimum grin and no panic stops would have an issue. That's a big qualification, but I know they take into account the extreme events which cause issues. So if you don't have those issues, overfilling isn't a problem. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/04/09 at 14:41:06 I did go a little extreme on that, but I wanted to point out that there probably is a happy medium somewhere that everything works fine with no problems. I am sure that a little extra oil can't hurt anywhere near as much as too little. |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Routy on 09/05/09 at 07:02:42 5C4B5A4B4B590F3B0 wrote:
Well, I can't read the bike's mind,.....and she doesn't tell me everything, but I'd think that she couldn't care less where it is tween the 2 lines ;D And I think 2 qts will put it tween the lines. :-? |
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Title: Re: Oil level Post by Oldnewguy on 09/05/09 at 12:50:43 The End! |
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