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Title: $@#%$ screw! Post by danibugg on 08/28/09 at 20:07:20 How the frick am I supposed to be able to do anything on this bike if I can't get any of the screws out? PB blasted - at least 7 times. Impact wrench - nothing. Torque wrench - nothing except a now stripped out phillips screw head. Soooo -- I go to try a screw extractor for the first time. Pilot hole. All is well so far. Second hole. So far so good. Go to hammer in the extractor. Hammer once. Let go. Extractor falls onto the floor - with the tip of it left in my screw. Begin excessive cursing (ok, I won't lie, tears of frustration). Seriously, what do I do now? Short of throwing the bike in the dumpster, which is about at the point I am at the moment. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by verslagen1 on 08/28/09 at 20:31:57 what fricken screw are you trying to get out? If you can grab the head with a pair of vice grips... |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by danibugg on 08/28/09 at 20:35:17 Don't you love the word fricken'? All I'm trying to do is put a new turn signal on. It's the screw that holds the turn signal base into the bracket on the front fork -- so it's recessed enough the vice grips can't get at it. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/09 at 04:48:52 I hesitate to ask, but which way you crankin on it? |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Boule’tard on 08/29/09 at 05:01:05 Stuck screws are about as much a pissoff as a small part falling down a rabbit hole, or hiding a part or tool from yourself when you know the thing is within arms reach. >:( Try soaking the screw with some Seafoam Deep Creep and let it sit for a couple of days. Hopefully you can dig out the extractor and try another one. When I was a kid I had a Yamaha GTMX80 (72cc minibike) that had a bolt break off in the transmission. Then of course the extractor broke off in the bolt. It took me two years of on-and-off drilling to get the piece out. Luckily you can just hack off the whole turn signal assembly and start over if worse comes to worst. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by danibugg on 08/29/09 at 07:39:56 justin_o_guy - Counterclockwise, but thanks for double checking ;D Boule'tard - I saw the Seafoam deep creep at the store for the first time the other day, next to the PB Blaster. I was curious as to how it worked. I'm dubious of my ability to get the extractor head out, but I've got Sakara hunting for a new mount... |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/09 at 09:03:54 Would it help any to loosen the 8mm that clamps the mount to the fork tube & rotate the whole mess, raise it some, get away from the lower triple tree? The tighten it & have better access to the screwed up screw? I had trouble here, too. I had the wrong screwdriver tip. A pin punch & a few light, well positioned strokes of the hammer put the meat of the phillips ( JIC?) head back in place well enough I could get it with a better tip. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by 4carbcorvair on 08/29/09 at 10:14:22 So far, this is the only complaint I have with my bike, every screw that I have tried to remove has been a fight. Well, with the exception of my header pipe bolts, those won't stay tight. ;D I can't image how these bikes are going to be when they have some age, rust and corrosion on them.... |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by jabman on 08/29/09 at 12:54:40 i am hearing you guys! i thought it was just me. ive drilled out or grinded several of screws out on this bike. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Digger on 08/29/09 at 19:40:27 Seems as if the darkest days of my life have all involved easy-outs. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by danibugg on 08/29/09 at 20:28:50 18353B3B392E5C0 wrote:
"Easy-out" seems to be a bit of a misnomer, I'm quickly discovering. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by verslagen1 on 08/29/09 at 23:43:19 drill the head out, expand the clamp and slip it off the tube. expand some more, and use a vise grip on the shaft. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/09 at 01:05:03 Theyll open that far w/o cracking? |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Rocco on 08/30/09 at 06:53:10 i had to put new turn signals on the back because the bulb itself was so corroded in there i snapped the wires @ the base of the bulb attempting to gettin it out! i even removed the front bulbs just 2 make sure i wasn't crazy ;D |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by speedingman on 08/30/09 at 06:53:43 Add an impact driver to your tool collection, you just hit the but of it and it turns the screw out. heres one! http://www0.shopping.com/xPO-Impact_Hand_Impact_Driver_Tool |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Routy on 08/30/09 at 07:26:23 After many moons of wrenching, I have learned the whole secret is to not break any screws in the first place. And I'm tellin ya, it take a lot of experience to get the "feel" of how far to push it before you just give it a break, and soak it, hammer on it, impact driver it.....back and forth, on and on, whatever it takes, but it WILL come loose in time. If these bike are a real problem w/ this, maybe we should back them out now, (later models) and never seize them :-/ Rich |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/09 at 07:30:13 i even removed the front bulbs just 2 make sure i wasn't crazy Well, allright! Ive had my front 2 out, so now I can feel good that Im not crazy? Whewwww! Ive been a sweatin that. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by danibugg on 08/30/09 at 20:02:52 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
Well, I don't know if the jury is out on that one... ;D |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by ODSavage on 08/30/09 at 20:15:48 I was able to use a dremel tool to cut a slot into the screw and use a flat head screwdriver to remove it once. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Digger on 11/24/09 at 22:37:46 The best treatise I've ever seen on stuck fasteners was this thread on my ST1100 forum. http://www.my-mc.com/messages/1/121083.html?1258915684 Pay special attention to the posts by Norm Keller. This guy is the real deal. IHTH someone! |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Charon on 11/25/09 at 06:11:38 I know it sounds like a joke, but go purchase some LEFT-HANDED DRILL BITS. You will need a reversible drill to use them. The idea is that the normal drill bit turns the same way the screw turns when it is tightened, while the left-handed bit turns the way the screw turns when it is loosened. Using the left-handed bit, the bit is "trying" to loosen the scew while you are drilling the hole for the EZ-out. If you get really lucky, the drill will remove the screw for you. Someone else made reference to it, but the screws used in Japanese motorcycles are NOT Phillips screws. A Phillips screwdriver will damage the screw head holes if the screws are tight. The screws are JIS (I think) and believe it or not, the screwdrivers in your much-maligned tool kit actually fit them. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by photojoe on 11/25/09 at 08:54:07 I was in the same situation last week with the freaking master cylinder screw stripped freaking bare. I was convinced that I would have to remove the MC, but picked up a 3 piece screw extractor set at sears for $10.00 here (website says $15, but got it for $10): http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00952154000P?sid=BVReview It has a 1/4" bit end. I picked up one of those magnetic screw drivers in the bargain bin for $3.00 on the way out the door. Inserted the extractor into the screwdriver, lined it up, gave it a tap with a hammer, the extractor grabbed the head and it slowly came out with a bit of patience. The grabbing power was amazing. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by runwyrlph on 11/25/09 at 18:50:57 5B70796A7776180 wrote:
Thanks - that is good information to know! |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by T Mack 1 - FSO on 11/27/09 at 05:21:48 5350454544494E474D414E200 wrote:
I agreed, for almost all the screws I take out of bike now I use the impact driver first. Until I bought one at Auto-Zone, I though my friend who had one was nuts for always using it. Now I know he was a learn'd soul.... guru of fixing old bikes...... |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/27/09 at 08:55:17 I have a Ryobi battery powered 1/4 impact. It drills & runs screws with great ease. I havent needed it on the bike, but I will not hesitate if I do. I have a hand held, hammersmakkin type impact & a 3/8ths & a 1/2" air type, but the little battery powered dude is really handy, so Ill try it first. Itll drive a dry wall screw into hard wood, & unlike using a drill, It wont knock ya off a ladder with the torque. Goes a LONG time on a charge & charges up pretty fast. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Phelonius on 11/27/09 at 09:13:53 I generally take out all the phillips type screws on a new bike and replace them with stainless allen heads. And a touch of never size. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Truckinduc on 11/27/09 at 09:16:29 The worst, In my eyes, was my exhaust flange bolt was seized in the head. I tried penetrating oil, heat, shocking it, and everything. Bolt shill sheared and the fun began. Drilled it for an ez out, stripped the ez out. Finally drilled the entire bolt out and used a dentist pick to remove the threads. Re tapped the hole to make sure all was good. About 6 hours total. What a crock. I guess thats to be expected from a bike that sat outside for 3 years. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/27/09 at 12:31:45 About 6 hours total. What a crock. HA! I coulda easily done it in 8 or 10...you got off light. |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by runwyrlph on 11/27/09 at 19:06:35 think i could do that in 6 days! |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/27/09 at 20:57:21 OOOKay, Show of hands, Who here REally thinks he was bragging that he got that skinny little busted off bolt out of that hard to get to area "Down there" on the head in only 6 hours??? I do, I do,, & frankly, I dont blame him |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Stones on 11/28/09 at 00:38:58 Quote:
Been there done that :-X Mines an 89 so thats 20 years old screws strip, bolts are brittle etc Patience keeps me sane ... i walk away and try another day. Be worth it in the end i tell myself ::) |
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Title: Re: $@#%$ screw! Post by Digger on 12/17/09 at 21:45:34 6B40495A4746280 wrote:
Here is but one source for JIS screwdrivers: Ames Supply Company (http://www.amessupply.com/products1.cfm?aid=1&cid=D&sid=DE&fid=1404070) |
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