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Title: Push Starting Advice Post by VCALV on 08/28/09 at 10:40:28 Hi everyone, thanks in advance for the great resource. My battery died and I've tried push starting my Savage multiple times, but to no avail. I turned the key, pulled in the clutch, clicked it into 2nd and got it to around 10 mph, releasing the clutch as I hopped on, but it hasn't worked. Will it be easier to start in 3rd or 4th gear? Also, the bike hasn't started in a while, so there may be carb problems- would that stop the bike from being push started? Do you have any other advice, besides finding a hill? ( I live in a very flat area) Thank you! |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by JohnBoy on 08/28/09 at 10:46:23 if you haven't started it in a while, are you sure you are getting gas? next I would check the spark. No gas, no spark, no go! |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by prechermike on 08/28/09 at 10:50:42 I have not had to push start mine, but I remember something about hitting the started to release the decomp solenoid. Also, if the battery is completely dead, it might not start either, something about the battery and the ignition. Others can shed more light than I can, obviously, but there is no need to push your guts out either. ;) |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by verslagen1 on 08/28/09 at 11:36:57 Push starting for the old and gimpy... Prep bike like normal for starting put in 1st gear, kick stand up and run like hell... with the bike you dummy go back and pick up the bike. run it up as fast as you can or till you start to wheese, which ever comes 1st. hop on bike, push starter button for one rev, let out clutch it'll chug and sputter, be patient leave the clutch engaged untill it smooths out. This is for a stock bike with all of the safeties still active. When the clutch is let out the starter is shut off automatically. So there's no need to time releasing the starter button and releasing the clutch lever. She'll sputter for a bit because of the battery drain to run the starter, so the less you run the starter the better. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/09 at 11:42:22 If I ever try that again, Im gonna have a way to pull that decomp cable. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Duane on 08/28/09 at 12:01:07 I think it would be easier to just find a jump or charger IMHO. I think I saw a cheapo trickle charger at Wally World for like $8. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by mornhm on 08/28/09 at 12:14:29 Push starting a MC for the old, gimpy (and smart?) Show up when son calls because MC won't start. 1. Get on MC - turn on ignition - put MC in gear 2. Have son push you until you think he has suffered enough 3. let out clutch 4. repeat steps 2 and 3 when MC dies when you twist the throttle until you realize the reason the MC isn't starting is due to lack of fuel (took me twice) 5. Change petcock to prime and repeat steps 2 and 3. 6. Ride to nearby gas station and fill up MC 7. Contemplate leaving petcock on prime so that next time he doesn't fill up the tank he will have to walk for gas. 8. Switch petcock to run when you realize that the next time will probably involve you again because his cell phone will probably still work and might be in the middle of the night. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by verslagen1 on 08/28/09 at 13:29:12 You have a few years on me old man... my son is only 13. I bow to the wisdom of the aged. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by dmike on 08/28/09 at 13:44:46 I jumped started mine a few times, but only ever going down a hill. I got up to about 15 let out the clutch and 2 out of 3 times that I did it it started. The other time the engine just locked up and I came to a dead stop. Still fun either way. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Phelonius on 08/29/09 at 09:34:36 The solution is to live at the top of a steep hill. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Gary On A Savage on 08/29/09 at 10:13:53 Or have it die in the mountains. Last time it wouldn't start I was up in the Sierra's with a friend, headed up to Glacier point. He pushed downhill and it started. Rest of the trip I parked at the top of the hill. Push starting the Savage always seems really hard. I bought of jumpers for ATV/Motorcycles (small clips) from Kragen and keep them with me. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Digger on 08/29/09 at 20:01:14 575142496F5F5E516F435146515755300 wrote:
+1 I modded mine for an easy, no-tools-needed jump start. I found a used grounding wire from my old '81 GL1100. I attached one end to the positive battery cable and insulated the bejeezus out of it. Here is a pic: http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/JumpStartWireE.jpg Not pretty, but it works (just like my Savage). |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Stimpy on 09/01/09 at 10:44:12 In the Savage the battery needs to be in good shape in order to crank up a good strong spark in order to start, otherwise it's a no-go. When in trouble i do the following: 1) simply push start it in 3rd gear (3rd works best for me) either with the help of a) a slight street inclination or b) another hooman to help push, if alone most people WILL help gladly to push if asked nicely. Pushing starting it yourself on a flat street is an art I have yet to master as I have successfully done it only twice. 2) Start it with your car's battery and jumper cables, easy as pie! Pop open your hood, attach cables to battery, attach (-) to clutch lever on right side of motor, attach a long screwdriver to (+) and turn ignition key on, put bike on neutral and pump gas a few times, THEN uncover the starters rubber cap to expose nut & bolt, touch the (+) scredriver there and only there and VOILA! the savage suddenly comes alive a la frankenstein! works EVERY time. ** touch the positive (+) WHERE??? Here, under the BLACK RUBBER CAP behind the speedometer cable: http://www.bikez.com/pictures/suzuki/2000/367_0_1_2_ls%20650%20p%20savage_Copyright%20(C)%20by%20Bikez.com..jpg http://www.bikez.com/pictures/suzuki/2000/367_0_1_2_ls%20650%20p%20savage_Copyright%20(C)%20by%20Bikez.com..jpg Good luck. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Digger on 12/03/09 at 21:47:19 694E53574A433A0 wrote:
http://www.bikez.com/pictures/suzuki/2000/367_0_1_2_ls%20650%20p%20savage_Copyright%20(C)%20by%20Bikez.com..jpg Will the decomp work, or does starting it this way circumvent the decomp? |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by verslagen1 on 12/03/09 at 21:57:37 works the starter directly bypassing the contoller. if it stalls, put it gear and push it backward till you hear compression |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Charon on 12/04/09 at 07:07:54 You KNOW you are going to have to replace the battery. Do it and get it over with, then quit worrying about push starting. Why make it hard on yourself? |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by verslagen1 on 12/04/09 at 07:19:52 Sure it's easier to replace the battery, put it on the charger... But if you're out on the road and all you got are 2 sticks to rub together? You had best learn how to get where you need to go in an emergency when you don't have to. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by Charon on 12/04/09 at 22:01:01 I have push-started my fair share of motorcycles, though I have not tried it with the Savage/S40. It has always been an operation fraught with at least a little peril. For instance, if the rear wheel decides to skid instead of turning the engine, the bike becomes a handful. If you have the throttle open a little and the engine catches, the bike can lurch away from you. If you jump your posterior onto the bike to give it a little more rear-wheel traction, you are usually "side-saddle" and the bike can decide to fall over the other way. If the bike takes more than a couple of brief tries, you end up out of breath (at least, I do) and coordination tends to suffer. That's why I recommend just replacing the battery instead of trying to tough it out and push start the bike. |
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Title: Re: Push Starting Advice Post by HappyHighwayman on 12/04/09 at 23:02:53 EVen though my battery is fine I think Ishould practice this a few times in non-emergency conditions to learn to do it :) My buddy's R/R is bad on his SV650 and he push starts it a LOT. (I've told him 1000 times to replace it) |
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