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Title: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/08/09 at 13:01:41 ...well not exactly the throttle I dont think? I did not know where to start looking for the issue yesterday and was going to write in about it today, but it seems to be solved (for now). Yesterday the throttle was turned and held as usual, but there was no corresponding increase in power, not like usual anyway. I had no pick-up; not the usual leap forward. Situation was first gear, throttling up for 2nd, but had very sluggish reponse. Same thing in second, very slow and never quite up to speed. I rarely go to third on my way to work. This happened all day yesterday during several rides. It did not matter if I had the choke in or not - same response. Today it started to do the same thing. Then, as I was holding the throttle at one postion, first gear, the bike lurched forward and gained speed. All torq back, now speeding up in normal quick response. The lurch was enough to snap my head back a little. so...did i have something stuck in the fuel line? Or a bad tank of gas? :-? Is this going to happen again? |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by Serowbot on 07/08/09 at 13:10:45 Maybe your slide stuck?.... if it happens again, I'd be looking there... |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/08/09 at 13:11:17 485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:
what slide? where? clue. less. help! |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by Serowbot on 07/08/09 at 13:12:19 Needle jet slide in the carb... for now,... hope it's o.k.,... see if it happens again.. :) |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by verslagen1 on 07/08/09 at 13:52:17 Add a couple of ounces of seafoam in the tank and call me in the morning... Most likely sticky slide. The throttle is not directly attached to the carb. You twist the grip and a butterfly valve opens. This increases the vacuum which pull open the slide in the carb. When this slide opens, YEEEHA! you go! Now when the slide is sticking a bit, it can make that wild stallion into an old grey mare. You can add carb cleaner to your fuel or open up the top of the carb and manually clean the slide. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by marine5317 on 07/08/09 at 17:56:52 You might also check for a "dry sticking" throttle cable. With the engine off, drop down on your knee on the right side of the bike and peek in there on the front side of the carb where the throttle cable attaches. Turn your throttle and watch for a real slow or delayed action. If when you turn your throttle the action is delayed and then lets go after a second or two, you have a dry sticking throttle cable. Ride Safe Marine5317 |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/09/09 at 05:55:11 okay, I will add seafoam this week and check that cable. THANKS! |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/09 at 08:03:48 If the cable is sticky, seems all that would do is make it fall to idle slowly. The cable is attached to the twistgrip & when the grip turns, the carb knows it. The cable doesnt lift the slide, vacuum does that, a sticky slide will cause a failure to accelerate & can cause a slow drop to idle. Putting a hand down to the left, on the part the idle adjust is on will allow the rider to twist the grip & FEEL THE CARB OPEN & CLOSE( drat! Caplox, sorry), Anyway Skat, you can trouble shoot the cable out real quick, but my $$ is on the slide. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by furious70 on 07/09/09 at 13:28:42 203832273D313D30530 wrote:
Do you work just down the block? :P |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/09/09 at 13:40:50 687B7C67617B7D393E0E0 wrote:
Do you work just down the block? :P [/quote] LOL - yes, just 4 miles if I take the LONG way to work! Usually just 3 miles otherwise, all secondary roads. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by Phelonius on 07/09/09 at 13:46:29 746C667369656964070 wrote:
what slide? where? clue. less. help! [/quote] If you are going to take the carb off to do anything, clean the whole thing. Sorry for the interuption of this post. They came to Xray some of my body parts. Get some protective goggles and blue nitryle gloves and use a good carb cleaner to clean every passage and jet and the seat for the float valve. Possibly even a new float valve kit. If the engine had been running well before this problem began, then I would not suspect a wrong adjustment of anything. I would suspect very small debris or varnish buildup from time to be your primary problem. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/09/09 at 14:17:40 5C646960636265797F0C0 wrote:
Not going to take carb apart if I can help it!!! Thanks P - glad to see you back! :) |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by Phelonius on 07/09/09 at 14:32:20 736B61746E626E63000 wrote:
Not going to take carb apart if I can help it!!! Thanks P - glad to see you back! :) [/quote] Ah that gorgeous blonde mane in your avatar, but back to the subject. I was interupted as I typed re read my post and if you have a friend who could help? Phelonius |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/09 at 04:16:03 What are the odds she could walk into a shop & just tell a mechanic she wants someone to school her on going thru a carb & find some kind hearted fellow who would be willing to do it? Hell, I aint any kinda cute & I bet I could get away with it. A 12 pack or a meal or a few bucks can sure get attention. If no one is willing to actually come & help, maybe they'd let you bring the carb to them so they can have their tools & stuff handy. You might get a hands on school, cleaned up carb, new friend,, |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by FreeSpirit on 07/10/09 at 05:05:01 Well if no results at the first shop,I'd go to the second one ;) |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/10/09 at 05:29:21 ya'll are TOO FUNNY! ;D Actually, whenever I go into various places around here I get one of two reactions: 1. hey lady, this is how your bike is blah blah and they know less than I do about how to fix it. 2. hey lady, it will cost $$$$$ for us to LOOK at it, and we dont do Suzuki bikes anyway. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by bill67 on 07/10/09 at 05:32:40 The last thing you need to to is take that carb a part,Put some SeaFoam it will clear it up,I've had a motorcycle for over 20 years never had to take it a part,Maybe you need to run it a little harder once in a while.Yours is a newer bike anyway. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by Mr. Hyde on 07/10/09 at 05:39:55 Quote:
Lots of luck. I went into the local Suzuki shop last year to see about getting some work done but I wanted to talk to the mechanic first to see if he knew anything about the Savage. I was told - NO. Customers aren't allowed to talk to the mechanics (all one of them). End of story. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by bill67 on 07/10/09 at 05:41:45 Mr Hyde what does it cost to talk to doctor or dentist. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by FreeSpirit on 07/10/09 at 06:14:01 What about just draining the fuel bowl,see if there's any trash there.(at least you'd know if its clean or somewhat trashy) Put seafoam in ,ride awhile,see how it does. Keep it simple....to begin with...then go from there,if needed :) The seafoam may be all it needs! BTW-I've always gotten better help while stranded on the side of the road than going to a garage :D |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/09 at 06:27:16 No way would I go to a name brand bike shop. Independent person, only. No Auto dealer, no Honda, Suzuki,etc, just regular folks. Either an old guy or a young guy, thats who Id look at first. The 30Y/o type is usually busy with keepijng beans on the table for the family. Old guys have generally got their costs under control, young enough guys havent yet taken on the whole Family/House/car/boat,etc..Just gotta look around if you really need some help. I got here thru the charity( willingness to teach/help) of many. I share with those who want to know. Doesnt have to be a bike shop. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/10/09 at 11:01:01 Yes I got a recommendation for exactly that yesterday when a moto-cop told me about an retired guy in a nearby town who does MC work in his garage. May swing by and see if that is worthwhile. Ride safe this weekend guys! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by srinath on 07/10/09 at 11:23:26 I do that in charlotte NC, and yes I will split a carb in front of you and tell you what is wrong, or not with it. Not retired, I am a software engineer. Ergo, I believe information should be free. I sell jet packs for GS500's but I insist on telling them where they can buy it first, their dealer, and what to ask for - the part numbers for it from any of 2-3 catalogs. Usually they order from me anyway after talking to their local clowns. Not only is it the correct part, it also is cheaper even after mailing costs. Yea take that you local dealer. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by srinath on 07/10/09 at 11:30:39 213933263C303C31520 wrote:
I am going to go against the grain of advice here. But I suspect a clogged air filter, or a clogged gas tank vent (usually only with long fast rides it crops up, but depends on how bad a clog though) or a clogged carb float bowl vent. It fixed itself. Makes it moe likely as the air filters cant do that. Its a gas tank or carb float bowl vent. Try pulling the hoses from the carbs that sorta point back toward your butt on the upper 1/2 of the carb. Brass colored tubes, possibly have a rubber hose on em. That is the atmospheric equaliser for the carbs. Easy to check, and if its clogged, easy to clean. If you split your carb and got into trouble fitting it back together, send it to me, in bits and pieces too, and I'll send it back perfectly fitted back and running like a swiss watch if it is a carb issue of course. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by srinath on 07/10/09 at 11:35:40 606B6E6E3435020 wrote:
Its free for me to talk to my eye doctor - I am working on his Vulcan carb at the moment. My doctor could soon be free (if he ever buys that z400) he's dreaming of, and I would be able to talk to a lawyer free (tax lawyer though, so not really a lawyer, so more like an accountant but with much larger numbers) if I ever clean up my garage and make it safe for his harley ... yea good luck I told him, but of course his friend crashed his HD and the bike promptly showed up @ my door ... so you never know. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/10/09 at 13:22:14 [quote author=5A5B4047485D41290 link=1247083302/15#23 date=1247250639If you split your carb and got into trouble fitting it back together, send it to me, in bits and pieces too, and I'll send it back perfectly fitted back and running like a swiss watch if it is a carb issue of course. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] I added seafoam yesterday - today was sooooo flawless for riding that I went out to James City across the bridge and back at lunchtime = 30 miles at 65+mph. Awesome! Thanks srinath - if it comes back, i'll let you know! |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by verslagen1 on 07/10/09 at 14:34:38 302822372D212D20430 wrote:
This may be one of bill's best advices, but I am wounded. |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by FreeSpirit on 07/10/09 at 19:08:00 Through bill being so adamant about seafoam,I have been reading all the posts scattered about in the forum on seafoam for awhile now,and online elsewhere....and read good reviews from a Motorcycle Magazine..... Though a little skeptic at first,before any knowledge of the product, I am convinced now it does alot of good....and at least,harmless. 8-) Hope your bike continues to run great skatnbnc :) |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by skatnbnc on 07/11/09 at 09:26:57 "This may be one of bill's best advices, but I am wounded. " verslagen1 Awww Big V - you know I still appreciate and value your advice too! No pouting - we all share here. ;) :-* |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by verslagen1 on 07/11/09 at 09:39:22 With a wink and a smile, the big silent fellow returns to the garage. ;D |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by LANCER on 07/12/09 at 05:23:55 594A5D5C434E484A411E2F0 wrote:
so did you send flowers with an appropriately worded note as well, big guy ? yea, soft spoken but a burning passion underneath ;D |
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Title: Re: Weird throttle acceleration response Post by verslagen1 on 07/12/09 at 09:31:05 If twernt for a continent that divides... |
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