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Title: Rear Brakes Help. Post by plastercaster75 on 07/03/09 at 09:39:31 Yes i had my rear brakes changed on my 2000 savage and ever since then the brakes seem sloppy and squealing all the time the shop wanted to charge me to look at what they already screwed up the rear brakes never acted like that before they messed with it so i want to tempt doing it myself so i was wondering if anyone had any step by steps on doing that task and what they think it might be ? |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by serowbot on 07/03/09 at 10:53:00 It may be more than you want to take on, if you need step by step instructions,.. but here goes... 1. loosen rear wheel 2. jack up rear wheel off the ground, (support it) 3. disconnect rear brake actuator rod 4. loosen wheel adjusters 5. remove axle bolt and pull axle shaft 6. remove drive belt 7. remove wheel 8. open brake drum 9. check to see if the shop really put on new brake shoes... 10. remove shoes and scuff them, and the drum with sandpaper 11. put everything back in reverse order 12. adjust belt tension, and align wheel 13. lower bike 14. tighten the crap out of the rear axle 15. adjust brake. basically.... Others will tell me what I forgot. :-? As an alternative option, try doing a few hard stops in an empty parking lot and see if that helps brake them in... The majority of your braking power comes from the front brake... My bike has 20,000 miles and the rear brake shoes are original and still in good shape. I'm on my 4th set of front pads.... Best of luck, If you decide to tackle it and get stuck, feel free to ask us here. ride safe |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/09 at 11:54:06 seem sloppy? You mean you have to push the pedal a long way to get them to engage? If so, adjust the wingnut on the rod at the back. |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by Boule’tard on 07/03/09 at 12:32:31 7167706D75606D76020 wrote:
That's a good how-to but I would not recommend hard braking to break in new shoes. If there are any high spots on the shoes (as in, not perfectly bedded into the drum) then the high spots will overheat and glaze. And a glazed shoe is more likely to squeal than one evenly worn by a slow break-in. Even so, I still got the squeals after a full pad removal, scuff and clean of both pads and rotor, then slow application of the brakes to re-seat them. They did great until the scuff wore off. I'm fairly convinced that the stock friction material, along with the general undersizing of the brakes makes them prone to squealing. I expect some EBC pads in the mail today, and will report back on how they do. Sorry I can't help with the rear shoes, but the principle should be the same. |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by ineclipse on 07/03/09 at 16:59:01 And welcome to the forum! |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by PTRider on 07/04/09 at 14:36:13 How long ago was the brake job? Phone in and ask how long their warranty is on service without stating your problem over the phone--act like a prospective customer. Get the name and title of the person you speak with. If the brake job was done recently, take your paperwork back, along with the bike, and speak with the person in charge of their service department. Tell then that you are not satisfied with the job they did and you want the job inspected for the problems you stated at no charge to you. Do not waste any time talking with a subordinate; see the shop manager. Find out in advance if any state agency in your state regulates motorcycle repair shops, and as a last recourse file a complaint of bad brake repair with the state agency. If it has been beyond the warranty period for the job, either do it yourself or take it to a different shop. Look at your rear brake assembly. See the arm that is pulled by the cable? Push that arm forward with your fingers. It should move just a fraction of an inch with finger pressure. If it moves much at all, tighten the nut on the end of the cable--this should get rid of the sloppy feeling. If you think it might be too tight, take a short ride, do not use the rear brake at all, stop using the front brake, and feel the rear for warmth. If it is warm from dragging (or you've heard a dragging noise), loosen the nut one click, let it cool, and try again. Don't use the rear brakes much, anyway. Your front brake has more power than your engine,* and I don't think there is any way to do a stoppie (up & over the handlebars) on any bike shaped and balanced like ours. At most, use the rear brake a bit then slack off as you're coming to a stop. Only use the brakes somewhat evenly on slippery surfaces. Stopping causes the bike to dive forward, so that added weight gives the front tire more traction than the rear. If the rear skids you're in big trouble and worse trouble if you release the skidding rear brake. If the front skids you can relax the pressure, likely regain balance, and brake again. What causes the rears to squeal? The shoe rubbing against the backing plate? That would be improper assembly. Or the wrong new shoes? *Is there any bike that goes from 0 to 60 mph is less time than it stops from 60 mph to 0 using just the front brake? Few if any, I think. |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by plastercaster75 on 07/04/09 at 15:28:22 The wing nut wasn't turned in very much before they worked on it and the brakes didn't squeal or wasn't sloppy now i have to have the wing nut in a pretty good amount for it to not be sloppy but it still squeals like crazy i'd say the probably didn't do it right and the guy that did it is the owner of the shop . |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by plastercaster75 on 07/04/09 at 15:29:33 oh yeah and not to mention that he must've not balanced the front wheel after putting the new tire on cause it wobbles around like mad aswell . |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/09 at 15:38:54 Fer gooniss sake dont let him fix it & give you an oil change for free to make up for the trouble. Youll be walkin fer sure. |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by Yonuh Adisi on 07/04/09 at 16:38:53 I agree with Justin, don't ever take it bake to that shop again. |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by serowbot on 07/04/09 at 19:12:06 736F62707766716062707766713436030 wrote:
Sounds dangerous,... get that checked out.... |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by plastercaster75 on 07/06/09 at 18:30:39 well i performed the procedure tonight and it turned out well they did't even change them and there was so much brake dust in there you couldve scooped it out so i cleaned it all out till it was spotless and put the new shoes on and bam the squeal is gone and it is no longer spongy but don't do it without the proper stand it was fine taking the wheel off but putting it back on had to have 2 other guys hold the bike while i put the wheel back on i am pooped but the bike is better now all i have to do is take it to get the font wheel balanced correctly :) thanks guys !!! |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by Yonuh Adisi on 07/06/09 at 23:52:30 647875676071667775676071662321140 wrote:
Go back to that shop and raise hell about paying for something that didn't get done. |
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Title: Re: Rear Brakes Help. Post by skatnbnc on 07/07/09 at 05:52:16 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
for real? because i was looking into buying new rear brake pads for my 2006 with 8500 miles on it, and was going to get them replaced when i get the new tires put on. they seems solid to me, so do i not need to replace them? |
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