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Title: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/26/09 at 19:05:38 Hi everyone. I am the proud new owner of a 2002 LS650. That's my first bike and I don't know anything about mechanics but it seems I'm gonna have to learn if I want to keep this baby purring... Yesterday when I drove the bike home from the seller's place, the bike stalled twice on me while I was in 2nd or 3rd gear, slowing down while I was approaching a red light. It started it again twice without a problem. Again today, I was driving around 30 and I think I was in 4th downshifting to 3rd and it completely stalled on me. It was kinda dangerous... Is it possible it stalled because I didn't adjust my speed with the gear I was in??? Or could it be something more serious? A friend of mine suggested I adjust the idle speed. What do you guys think? Thank you in advance for your help. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by bill67 on 06/26/09 at 19:15:35 I think the idle speed is to low. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/26/09 at 19:35:17 Thank you. I'll check that first thing tomorrow morning :) |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Stimpy on 06/26/09 at 23:25:42 try running it on "PRI" instead of "ON" just to see if that makes a difference, if so, then you have a vacuum leak on ur carb. EZ fix, just type "vacuum" in search box. C'ya |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/27/09 at 10:56:46 Thank you. I haven't tried running on prime yet but I shall shortly. Is it safe to ride on prime for say, 20 miles? If it works fine while running a prime, I understand the problem could be a vacuum leak. I searched the forum for this issue and found many posts but I'm not sure what I would have to do to fix this. Please note I don't know much at all about mechanics, and I am French, so all these mechanical terms sounds like Japanese to me... So, would I just need to replace the vacuum tube? If so, that seems pretty simple. Sorry for being such a noob... |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Yonuh Adisi on 06/27/09 at 11:08:08 Yes, just replace your vacuum line first, but when you take the old one off, check to see if there is any fuel in it, if there is, then your petcock is bad, if not, then it is more than likely just the line is bad. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Stimpy on 06/27/09 at 11:23:07 I was thinking and maybe your carb is just dirty on the inside (what year is the bike?). I have been running it on PRI for 4 years ;) no problems at all. You could use PRI all day and ON at nights to close the fuel flow. Yes, if damaged, you must replace the hose or look for damage and use silicone to fix, cut the ends and re-install the leak is usually at the ends. * see petcock vacuum hose http://suzukisavage.com/images/uploaded/CarbRightweb.jpg Look here for more photos: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1098869040 And IF you tell us more about your bike we might be able to help you further. Good luck Richard P. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/27/09 at 11:40:03 Thank you. The bike is from 2002 with about 30,000 miles on it. I just bought it 2 days ago and I believe everything is stock. To be clear, the vacuum line is the tube that goes from Fuel switch to petcock to the carb, right? Thanks again for your help |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Yonuh Adisi on 06/27/09 at 12:01:13 The vacuum line usually has a chrome spring wrapped around and routes around to the left side (as if you were sitting on the bike) of the carb. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Stimpy on 06/27/09 at 17:17:37 To be clear, the vacuum line is the tube that goes from Fuel switch to petcock to the carb, right? Yes. Well first of all CONGRATULATIONS!!! (...wise choice) Second, 30k miles is almost 50,000km, not a problem, but this changes things. - your carburator could be dirty inside soon you must remove and open it with a friend that knows motorcycles and clean it well and see if all jets are free - Your spark plug could be old it costs $3dlls and it's easy to change BUT you must remove the gas tank first, get a friend to help you the first time; but you MUST learn to remove gas tank. You need a: NKG DP8EA-9 aka: ND X24EP-U9 - The first thing I do when I buy a used motorcycle is a FULL service and check-up: Fresh oil, fresh filters, fresh spark plug, carb wash, adjust valves, check all electric and breaks, etc. It's best to do this. - Ask previous owner about the TIMING CHAIN at almost 50k km the timing chain must be replaced soon, BUT i think somebody allready did this for you ;) Battery old? Many Savages run bad because of an old battery. - Spark plug cap If the spark plug cap that comes from the coil is the original, I would replace it too ($5dlls), because heat and time damages it. http://www.roteg.nl/html/Images/ngk-cap-7g.jpg Good luck again and we will help you with everything, no worries! |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/27/09 at 18:42:23 Wow, thank you for the detailed explanation. It does sound like a lot of work but I understand it's important to keep the bike in shape. Unfortunately, I don't have friends who ride bikes so I'm kind of on my own... Stimpy, I see you live between Germany and San Diego. If you're in SD and feel like helping a noob, let me know ;D I live in San Diego too. I will do the basics (oil + filters) myself as this doesn't look complicated. For the rest, I might have to take it to a shop. I really don't see myself fooling around the carb... Thanks again for your help, guys! |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by bill67 on 06/27/09 at 20:11:20 Run some Sea Foam in your gas it just might fix your problem,Wal Mart and Ace hardware have it here. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Stimpy on 06/27/09 at 22:14:28 DON'T take it to a shop. Just go to costco and buy a tool kit and latex gloves. You can do it! ;) (since there is nothing really wrong with it anyway) And SERIOUSLY, learn to remove the tank and put it back together, learn this and you're 1/2 done with most everything, trust me. Yes, try the seafoam, that might clean your carb up w/o having to open it for now. Great idea bill! * sadly I left san diego a year ago and am now house-sitting in Mexico City, but I'll help you w/whatever I can from here (MSN: stimpford@hotmail) Keep us informed. C'ya Look here: http://www.webbikeworld.com/sea-foam/ |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/28/09 at 17:47:49 I had no problem yesterday but the bike stalled on me AGAIN today while driving. That was kind of a dangerous situation too... I was in 3rd and all the sudden I could feel the bike didn't respond to the throttle. It felt like that bike was needing gas but it didn't get any. I started it again and it ran for half mile and stalled again. This time, I put the fuel valve on PRI and it finally was able to take me home without stalling. I looked at the vacuum hose and it looks very good. I mean, it's clean and there doesn't seem to be any damage or leak. Tomorrow, I'm going to go to the shop and buy: - a new air filter, - oil filter, - oil, - vacuum hose (any specific size needed?) - a can of Seafoam You're right, I should learn to fix remove the tank. Is the Clymer book a good investment? Thank you guys. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Stimpy on 06/28/09 at 20:57:59 I told you it was your gas valve! forget about your vacuum tube, just leave it on "PRI", problem solved :D ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- dude, air filter is $50 >:( ....just thought you should know ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most everything in the manual you can find right here in this forum, plus a lot more. But yes, the CLYMER savage manual is pretty helpful and it's nice to have it on paper with you while you fix your bike, but it's kind of pricey ($25) http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FA3PJD3JL._SL500_AA240_.jpg |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/28/09 at 21:04:22 Does that mean I should not replace athe air filter but just clean it? |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by GrateFuLDad on 06/28/09 at 21:11:40 1E2829322F06232E342E470 wrote:
this is a helpful tip... i myself am having stalling issues but only at any given time at or around 60mph.... i will change my vac line first thing tomorrow using this idea in mind.. |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Stimpy on 06/28/09 at 21:26:10 It depends how dirty it is. Air filters last for many years and can be vacuumed and cleaned w/compressed air IF they are not too old. Does it look like this, from the outside: (just clean it, buy later) http://www.knfilters.com/images/press/mtst_clean.jpg Or this? From the outside (unusable, must replace now) http://www.knfilters.com/images/press/mtst_dirty.jpg ** i found it here for $14.95, but i do not know this company http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/detail.cfm?model_ID=0&Category_ID=15&manufacturer_ID=481&product_ID=29182&sblid_name=Hiflofiltro_Filters_Air_Filter___Suzuki_Savage_Boulevard_S___ ...and this is where the air filter goes: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4747/23122008003eu7.jpg (*those black cables are my alarm module, they are not supposed to be there) |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/29/09 at 09:44:03 One more day, one more problem... Same thing happened again while I was coming back from Kragen store. I could feel the bike didn't respond to the throttle and clearly needed gas. I was riding on PRI. It stalled while riding, I pulled over on the side of the road and tried restarting it but nothing. I looked at my gas tank and it seemed empty so I put the fuel valve on Reserve but it wouldn't start either. Fortunately I was 1 block from home so I pushed the bike home. At this time it still doesn't start. Maybe it just needs gas??? Since I was riding on PRI, would it have eaten up all the gas reserve even though I didn't put the fuel valve on Reserve??? I don't have a car so I can' go get gas until my fiance comes home... Man, this bike is more problem than fun so far... What do you think? |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Balderdash on 06/29/09 at 09:59:58 That's the problem with PRI, you don't have a reserve tank anymore. If you fill your tank with gas you should be working again. To test your vacuum tube without spending any real money, you could take off the tube, put some sealer on the stems and then put the tube back on, make sure that you get the clamps back on too, any air leak and the tube wont work right. If you don't have any silicone engine sealer, you could dab a little petroleum jelly from the bathroom instead. (make sure you lube only the outside of the stems, you don't want to cover the hole itself.) |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by seb481 on 06/29/09 at 10:22:41 Problem solved! I remember I owned one of these old inventions called "bicycle" so I took it for a spin to the nearest gas station and bought a container with gas and poured it into my bike. It didn't start at first, then I pulled the choke (even though the bike was warm) and it started. What I learned: always check your fuel tank before leaving home!!! How many miles on average do you guys run on a full tank? |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by Balderdash on 06/29/09 at 10:33:47 110700565A53620 wrote:
Fill up every 100 miles, you should be safe |
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Title: Re: Bike stalling while riding Post by odvelasc on 06/29/09 at 10:46:23 5A4C4B1D1118290 wrote:
I learned that once my on my 250 marauder and twice on my savage lol. Welcome to the club. I will go about 130km highway riding before I fill up. In the city i fill up every 120km or so just because I was working two jobs and commuting about 50km a day. So about 74-80 miles before I fill up just to be safe. I dont have reserve on my bike, only use pri untill I can get a raptor 660 petcock. |
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Title: Re: Bike stallinhttp://suzukisavage.g while riding Post by Stimpy on 06/29/09 at 12:13:30 "I tried restarting it but nothing. I looked at my gas tank and it seemed empty" ...Lot to learn, you have young jedi. Yes, hmmm. ;) http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1645/yodaandluke.jpg - Savage = small gas tank - Full tank = 100miles (about 150km w/"reserve") some people use an old briefcase lock to help them remember when it's time for gas again http://https://www.saddler.co.uk/prodpics/ready/satinchromebriefcaselock_large.jpg ;D Man, this bike is more problem than fun so far... No! don't say that, motorcycle mechanics is pure fun! :D ...thats why we all have savages instead of therapists ::) and IF you are new at this, TAKE_A_COURSE! http://www.begintoride.com/ (San Diego) Ride safe. |
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