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Message started by alcoa on 06/17/09 at 03:45:10

Title: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by alcoa on 06/17/09 at 03:45:10

I do not think a loud muffler makes you any safer. I have been passed by a loud bike and did not hear it till it was beside me and in front. Now when its loud enought to blow you out of the car all it did was piss me off about motorcycles and I drive one. I also like to come and go without letting everyone know, whats your take on this? :)

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by PipJones on 06/17/09 at 04:15:31

its much harder to hear motorcycles on the highway, especially with your windows up. On backroads, stop and go traffic, etc, etc. it is much easier to hear motorcycles when they have loud pipes.

on the highway, near pointless...

in all other traffic situations.... may be the difference between life and paralysis.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by prechermike on 06/17/09 at 04:48:36


141716111013121D1C250 wrote:
I do not think a loud muffler makes you any safer. I have been passed by a loud bike and did not hear it till it was beside me and in front. Now when its loud enought to blow you out of the car all it did was piss me off about motorcycles and I drive one. I also like to come and go without letting everyone know, whats your take on this? :)


I agree.  I recently changed my muffler and went with a HD take off, I am glad it is not any louder.  It seems to me that the noise is mostly behind you, after you are gone, so how does that really offer a warning to anyone you are approaching?  (Maybe it will keep someone from running over you from behind)  I like to come and go without alot of attention myself as well.

I guess it is a matter of preference, if you want loud pipes, it does not bother me.  Kind of like color and bling to me.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by ja01 on 06/17/09 at 04:51:48

I am with you there on being Quite.
I would not mind if mine made no sound at all. I like the sneak approach.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by drharveys on 06/17/09 at 05:09:50

Mine's stock.  There are times when I leave my house before 6 AM and have to ride through the neighborhood before I get to a larger street.

All loud pipes do is to annoy people while destroying the rider's hearing!

Still, I wouldn't mind just a bit more rumble from my exhaust!

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by diamond jim on 06/17/09 at 09:32:18

Depends on your definition of "others".  Since over half my daily riding is rural country roads, the volume over stock is great for clearing the ever present varmint on and along the roadsides.  I usually see their hind ends as they're scurrying into the brush as opposed to a last second split for safety that I experienced with the stock can.  Mine's medium loud.  On a scale of 1-10 with stock being 1 and straight open pipe being 10, mine's about a 6-7.  It's also a nice quality motorcycle sound, not the angry lawnmower noise that results from poorly designed and executed exhaust mods.  And the idea that sound doesn't project forward?  Hogwash.  You can tell when things up ahead react to the sound before you get there.  Why waste money on those "deaf child" signs then if they can't hear you coming anyways.  Besides varmint, stray dogs, cats, people riding their bikes, people just over the hill checking their mail at the roadside mailbox, road crews just around the corner directing traffic, etc.  Come to think of it, I hear motorcycles all the time.  I know I hear them a heck of a lot more often than I don't.  When I hear one, I look around to see what kind of bike it is and whether I know the rider or not.  I figure for everyone I didn't hear, there where another 15 that I did.  

It certainly makes me and a lot of "others" safer.  If a scooter exhaust works for you then go for it.  

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by SavageDanny on 06/17/09 at 09:57:45

I don't believe it makes you safer as far as other drivers. Loud pipes just sound cool as long as they are not too loud. A good rumble is nice. I also like Jim's point about clearing the varmints from the road. As far as personal safety goes, loud pipes are not going to save you no matter what. The only thing that will is your own personal dedication to being a safe rider.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Gort on 06/17/09 at 09:59:27

I must agree with DJ.  My area is also mostly country roads and my louder muffler has scattered roadside animals before I get to them.  I can see them running away.  I also see people turning their heads towards my noise, as I approach.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/17/09 at 10:23:04

My S40 has a Sportster muff.  Just last weekend, one of my employees and I were going to lunch, riding thru a small town.  He was ahead of me on his Honda Ruckus scooter, (which he always rides on short trips, leaving his big Honda behind) and I was on my S40.

When we got to the eatery, he commented that he could hear my bike all the way for the 2 or 3 miles we rode in tandem.

So, for what it's worth, he heard me while he was in front, not behind.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Mr. Hyde on 06/17/09 at 10:31:13

I agree with Jerry. When I had my Harley my wife always said she could hear me coming miles away. Besides I really, really like the sound of loud pipes. Always throws me back in time.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by bill67 on 06/17/09 at 10:41:24

  When your in a car the windows are up that would make a lot of difference,As far as hearing a motorcycle.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by verslagen1 on 06/17/09 at 11:39:12

To the death, the blind and the stupid (cue theme song) doesn't matter how loud your pipes are, how bright your lights are or how nasty you look, for them you must drive defensibly.

But if a loud pipe helps only one person who honestly doesn't want to run me over, it is worth having.

If bright lights and uncool reflectors helps only one person who honestly doesn't want to run me over, it is worth having.

If being nasty helps only one person who honestly doesn't want to run me over, it is worth being.   [smiley=evil.gif]

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Duane on 06/17/09 at 12:00:36


282B2A2D2C2F2E2120190 wrote:
I do not think a loud muffler makes you any safer. I have been passed by a loud bike and did not hear it till it was beside me and in front. Now when its loud enought to blow you out of the car all it did was piss me off about motorcycles and I drive one. I also like to come and go without letting everyone know, whats your take on this? :)


Ditto

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by BurnPgh on 06/17/09 at 12:06:46

my SE is for the idiot behind me who's eating a burger, switching cd's, lighitng a cigarette and talking on the phone at the same time while trying to switch lanes. If i can disrupt his cell phone conversation then good. He might stare daggers at me for the next 10 miles but in doing so he knows exactly where the hell i am. mission accomplished.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by JohnBoy on 06/17/09 at 12:41:48

I used to ware a tee shirt that said "Hang UP and Drive!"in big letters, until the irates started using it as a target.
Always remember...We are the bug on their windshield.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Starlifter on 06/17/09 at 13:49:43

Loud pipes alienate people and give motorcycling a bad rap, you can't hear the siren of an emergency vehicle, you will soon have hearing aids the size of alarm clocks hanging out of your ears, they attract cops....need I go on?

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/09 at 14:32:12

Define loud. Louder than stock? Or is a Supertrapp w/ 14 baffles loud? I run next to cars that arent stock. They have nice sounding exhausts. Not ear splitting, but one would be hard pressed to call it quiet. Some people want it LOUD. They dont care if the performance sux, as long as its loud. I just want the best performance. That requires more air flow than stock. The bike barks & growls & sounds good to me. I know theres more performance in there. Maybe Ill have to remove a few baffles to get it, IDK, but the sound of the exhaust will be a function of tuning for performance, not noise level. I wont shrink from some fear of the perception of others in doing so.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Stimpy on 06/17/09 at 14:58:23

I DISAGREE.

I run an open exhaust w/ a fat, empty muffler at the end;
the sound is deep and rich and my GF can hear me coming
2 blocks away and my dog about 4 blocks away it seems
(about 1/2 mile), I really try not to rev at all in my block.

My point is that this kind of sound travels in all directions and
at low speeds ANYONE can hear you (or something) coming
so they instinctively use their mirrors and look around and
most accident statistically happen at low speeds close to home/work/etc.

** I like this animal thing, never thought about it but it's SO true.

...(listen, ppl are stoopid enough as it is) Loud pipes save lives, no doubt about it!


Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Phelonius on 06/17/09 at 15:43:41

I don;t care for the loud on my own bikes but I enjoy a good healthy rumble that doesn't evoke pain.
I   am learning to like the stealth of the Morph.

Phelonius

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by diamond jim on 06/17/09 at 17:50:58


616263646566676869500 wrote:
I do not think a loud muffler makes you any safer. I have been passed by a loud bike and did not hear it till it was beside me and in front...


That bike must not have been very loud or your definition of loud differs from mine.  Me, I only occasionally come across a bike that I think is loud.  Not too often, honestly.  But to the little old lady down the road just about every bike is probably loud to her.  Definitions  differ.  

The newly-introduced Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act of 2009 deals with the issues of electric vehicles being too quiet.  
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/04/23/pedestrian-safety-enhancement-act-introduced-to-protect-the-blin/  Some companies are already one step ahead of this legislation with products intended to add some extra sound to silent vehicles.

"... Other people, including pedestrians who are not blind, bicyclists, runners, and small children, also benefit from hearing the sound of vehicle engines. New vehicles that employ hybrid or electric engine technology can be silent, rendering them extremely dangerous in situations where vehicles and pedestrians come into proximity with each other."

Apparently they believe a louder car reduces accidents as compared to quieter cars.  Now I'm no traffic safety engineer, but I think the same would apply to motorcycles.  I bet one day someone will do some research and find out that quiet scooters can be more dangerous in blind spots and blind intersections than a loud motorcycle.  I don't need the research to know this but some do.

Also: http://www.bikernewsonline.com/2008/04/pedestrian-safety-enhancement-act-of.htm

A few times in my life I;ve almost pulled out in front of a bike that I didn't see.  But I've never almost pulled out in front of a bike that I heard coming.  

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Rogue_Cheddar on 06/17/09 at 18:23:28

All I know is that after I put on a louder pipe (loud is all relative) I definitely noticed a pattern of more awareness by other drivers of my presence on the road. If it gives them an extra second of pause before they pull out in front of me, I'll take it.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by diamond jim on 06/17/09 at 18:55:40

+1 Rogue.  

Look, there are some situations where even super loud pipes will make little difference- if the radio in the vehicle is blaring, riding in a truck with some serious off-road tires, an 18 wheeler cruising down the interstate and such.  But much more often than not louder pipes do improve recognition on some level.  Recognition improves safety and helps keep my body healthy just the way I like it.  If I ever get into a car vs. bike, I bet it will be a teenage boy driving a truck with some serious off-road tires (daddy pimped my ride!), with the subs pumpin' 50 Cent (daddy's money again) and he pulls out just after the 18 wheeler passes.  

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by abotech on 06/17/09 at 20:49:20

Trains run over deer and other critters quite often. If loud pipes save lives, Imagine what proper training and safety gear could do.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by verslagen1 on 06/17/09 at 21:46:39


6866756A6D606F6A6D776C6D030 wrote:
Trains run over deer and other critters quite often. If loud pipes save lives, Imagine what proper training and safety gear could do.

How do you train a cager to get his head out of his @$$?

I toodlelin down the freeway, rush hour traffic riding even with an illegal dark tinted drivers window cager.  When he decides to occupy my lane.  Needles to say I make a quick lane change.  A couple of months later I got a supertrapp and it hasn't happened since.

Now I'm not a proponet for wake the dead loud pipes, but you mouse fart stock pipe guys will soon be dead wrong.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Educatedredneck on 06/17/09 at 22:51:53

My Hard Chrome Drag Pipie is loud, and I like it that way.  I even had a state trooper ride along side of me, gave me the thumbs up as he pulled away.  

If your pipe is too loud, wear ear plugs!!! ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by John_D on 06/18/09 at 01:02:40

I have to say, that on one occasion so far my louder pipes have kept a car from encroaching all the way into my lane.  Was making a left turn in the outer of 2 left turn lanes.  The car beside me starts to veer from the inner lane to the outter (mine!) lane.  I hit the throttle to get out of the way, and she heard me and got back in her lane. ;D  I will say however, I don't care for the super loud pipes either.  And I don't think louder pipes (mine anyway) help near as much on the highway as they do on the surface streets where they are easier to hear in all directions from you, not just behind. :-/

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by alcoa on 06/18/09 at 03:44:02

Look it up on the web those who dont like loud mufflers american motorcycle assocation and even H.D. All the loud mufflers due is give us all a bad name. >:(

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by gazoo07 on 06/18/09 at 04:49:42

Do loud pipes increase the chances of being seen in all situations? I doubt it. One area I believe loud pipes increase safety is while in someones blind spot. (Yes I know better than riding in blind spots but anytime you pass a car you have to go through it.) Will it always save you from being run over by somebody? Probably not. But if it saves me once a year or even in a lifetime from an accident that would put me in the hospital then it is well worth it. It is one of the many things I do to make my rides safer and I will continue to do it until I am told I cannot. I pass patrol cars every day and have never been pulled over. People hate motorcycles for various reasons and I doubt very seriously if many of them would change their mind if we all put our stock exhausts back on today. If you ride your bike through residential areas wide open at 3 AM with a drag pipe and no baffle you are an idiot and you will probably get a ticket but there are idiots in all walks of life not just bikers. www.lubedealer.com/1lube  

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Balderdash on 06/18/09 at 09:10:04

When on an inner city 8 lane highway, with traffic in every lane doing 55-60+, I don't think the car on my right can even hear my horn if I did blow it...  I wish there was a way to make that notorious savage backfire do it on demand :P

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by BouleTard on 06/18/09 at 09:55:51


7A59545C5D4A5C594B50380 wrote:
When on an inner city 8 lane highway, with traffic in every lane doing 55-60+, I don't think the car on my right can even hear my horn if I did blow it...

Man, get an extra-loud horn.  Not the Stebel 139db one, that one would probably startle the driver into a sudden swerve.  I just picked up a $20 132db horn and relay from Autozone.. may do a thread when I get around to installing it.

As for the loud pipes, IMO the stock HD dyna pipe is plenty loud for you to be noticed when you're on the gas, yet quiet enough to idle away from your neighbors in the morning. Perfect!

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by bill67 on 06/18/09 at 09:56:20

  This forum would be only 1/2 as big if it weren't for loud pipes,1/2 of them would be dead already. :)

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by serowbot on 06/18/09 at 10:18:28

In the past, I occasionally worried about the small signals and lights on my little Savage....
Then in September I was hit by a truck while riding my buddies Harley with big factory stock lighting and a two into one aftermarket exhaust that shook the earth...
The guy looked right at me, and never saw  me....

Extra lights and loud mufflers only help if the other guy is looking and listening.  It's the ones that aren't, that are gonna' hit you....

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by diamond jim on 06/18/09 at 10:38:30


616A6F6F3534030 wrote:
  This forum would be only 1/2 as big if it weren't for loud pipes,1/2 of them would be dead already. :)


http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/forum/images/smilies/bluethumbsup.gif

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/09 at 10:53:43


2A3C2B362E3B362D590 wrote:
In the past, I occasionally worried about the small signals and lights on my little Savage....
Then in September I was hit by a truck while riding my buddies Harley with big factory stock lighting and a two into one aftermarket exhaust that shook the earth...
The guy looked right at me, and never saw  me....

Extra lights and loud mufflers only help if the other guy is looking and listening.  It's the ones that aren't, that are gonna' hit you....




That being big & loud failed once is no proof it never works.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Duane on 06/18/09 at 13:09:06

There is no proof either way, it's all opinion.  ::)

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by bill67 on 06/18/09 at 13:22:23

  I had a loud muffler,And everyone tried to run me over,Never again would I have a loud muffler.Now they think am just a normal person.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by diamond jim on 06/18/09 at 14:08:45


4071656A61040 wrote:
There is no proof either way, it's all opinion.  ::)



Plenty of us have proof.  

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by TheFid on 06/18/09 at 15:00:43

My pipes are Very Very Loud.
Why?
Because I LIKE IT.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/09 at 15:07:38


454E4B4B1110270 wrote:
  I had a loud muffler,And everyone tried to run me over,Never again would I have a loud muffler.Now they think am just a normal person.

Bill, they dont know you like we do...

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by bill67 on 06/18/09 at 15:13:16

 Justen we all know you were way ahead of the other kids in school,How do we know ,You told us ::)

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Phelonius on 06/18/09 at 15:23:06


5D4A5B4B4A4343565C40412F0 wrote:
My Hard Chrome Drag Pipie is loud, and I like it that way.  I even had a state trooper ride along side of me, gave me the thumbs up as he pulled away.  

If your pipe is too loud, wear ear plugs!!! ;D ;D ;D


Was he motioning for you to get out of town?

Phelonius

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Savage_Amusement on 06/18/09 at 15:39:34

Loud pipe has in fact saved my skin before. Lord knows that no one is going to hear that sissy excuse they call a horn.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by bill67 on 06/18/09 at 16:10:08

  I haven't used the horn in a car in 50 years,and a bike in about 37 years,People around here just don't use horns,I can't remember the last time I heard a horn blow.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by groupus on 06/18/09 at 19:00:51

For those of you who say there is no proof that loud pipes save lives, why not be safe than sorry?

I have an aftermarket HD pipe (don't know what kind, got it at a swap meet) and it is basically a straight through with a little hump in it for a baffle. My friends have a Yamaha V-star and Raider with Hard Chrome exhausts and they say mine is louder than theirs. I love the louder pipe because it makes the bike sound great and, from my experience, is much safer.

On the highway, when I get stuck in someone's blindspot, they ALWAYS notice - I see them checking the mirrors to see whats makeing that noise. Some cars even move out of the way when I come up behind them. In slower traffic, I have blipped the throttle to let drivers know that I'm still here. Some guy tried to merge across my lane into the next the other week. I revved it up to let him know how I felt about that ;D  I find it work better than a horn or middle finger and makes drivers more concious of me when they are about to pull out or merge.

But thats just, like, my opinion, man.
Groupus

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by verslagen1 on 06/18/09 at 21:34:31


606D65696B6A606E6D69040 wrote:
[quote author=4071656A61040 link=1245235510/30#34 date=1245355746]There is no proof either way, it's all opinion.  ::)


Plenty of us have proof.  [/quote]

I said I rode the freeways with the deaf, dum and blind.
I didn't expect that I rode with them too.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by diamond jim on 06/18/09 at 22:12:12

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Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by FreeSpirit on 06/18/09 at 22:24:32

I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE loud pipes......

and that BS flag   8-)

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Educatedredneck on 06/19/09 at 00:38:14


566E636A69686F7375060 wrote:
[quote author=5D4A5B4B4A4343565C40412F0 link=1245235510/15#24 date=1245304313]My Hard Chrome Drag Pipie is loud, and I like it that way.  I even had a state trooper ride along side of me, gave me the thumbs up as he pulled away.  

If your pipe is too loud, wear ear plugs!!! ;D ;D ;D


Was he motioning for you to get out of town?

Nope, I was riding on the beltway going to work, just cruising along, hitting the throttle whenever I when under an overpass - fun stuff.

Phelonius[/quote]

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Mr. Hyde on 06/19/09 at 06:29:43

One man's noise is another man's music.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by photojoe on 06/19/09 at 06:43:32

Well, I can only speak from my experience. When I'm driving in the car and I hear loud pipes, I know that a bike is around. There are a couple of blind spots in my car.

When I'm riding on roads without sidewalks, I watch people slowly walk away from the road, and bicycles riding side by side go single file when I'm approaching. There are some serious bicycle riders around here. Out of respect for them, I do not seriously open throttle when I pass. I just cruise by.

Clutch and open throttle, or a quick twist of throttle is louder than my horn.

What I do not do is abuse the sound of my Trapp and become a nuisance. There's no need to mess around with the throttle while I'm waiting at a light next to a car with their windows open and little Johnny leaning out. Pedestrians? When I know that they know I'm coming, I'll coast by them. I know for a fact that my Trapp has saved my arse a couple of times. Highway riding for sure. And of course, there will be people who are just listening to loud music, who don't hear you, or could care one way or another.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Pabst 2006 on 06/19/09 at 18:16:56

After running with stock cans and having to do a panic stop for a couple deer at night (our brakes might not be on par with a good sportbike, but nevertheless they get 'er done!)... I got out the drill and made some holes and monkeyed with the idle mix screw to compensate.

I don't care if the sound isn't very refined (at idle it sounds like a cross between an ATV and an Apache helicopter), I read somewhere that low-frequency sounds are omnidirectional a.k.a. the sound goes in all directions.  Just having that extra sound pouring out is going to help with the critters up ahead during nighttime riding.

As for the cagers and snotty sportbike riders (no, not you Sir Mick) who cut me off, merge into my lane, tailgate, etc etc, at least they have lights and/or reflectors so I can make a best effort at avoiding them, whether they can hear me or not.  In my city there's a large population of deaf/hearing-impaired students, and I've noticed many drivers signing to their passengers at redlights.  I can never safely assume cagers can hear louder pipes, at least in my area.

-Pabst

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Ruddy on 06/19/09 at 19:59:17


707372757477767978410 wrote:
I do not think a loud muffler makes you any safer. I have been passed by a loud bike and did not hear it till it was beside me and in front. Now when its loud enought to blow you out of the car all it did was piss me off about motorcycles and I drive one. I also like to come and go without letting everyone know, whats your take on this? :)


+1  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Loud pipes lose rights: Rider training saves lives!

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 06/19/09 at 20:02:59

I have to agree that loud pipes do indeed save lives. Many times I have nearly bought it because some cager didn't see or hear me, but once I changed my pipe to a much louder one, I have not had that problem near as much. Also a quick clutch and yank on the throttle does much more for me than the horn.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by photojoe on 06/20/09 at 07:56:00

Additional:
During work I stopped in a MC accessory store in the town of Belmar. I ride through that town several times a week. I got to talking to the owner about the new town noise ordinance, which had a heavy focus on Motorcycles. She said that the police have been setting up random MC checkpoints in the town and are stopping all bikes, and almost everyone gets some sort of ticket. They check the pipes first to see if they're stock. If not, you get a ticket. Then they check the helmets to determine if they're DOT and have the reflective stickers on the back and sides as required by NJ law. If you're guilty of pipes, and or, helmet violations, they'll offer you a choice of ticket; Helmet or pipes?

This ordinance was spawned by numerous complaints, some of which were brought up at the town council meetings. Some of the council minutes from last year:

PUBLIC HEARING: Public Session on resolutions only on the Agenda. We will
continue to have a Public Session at the end of this meeting.

Public Hearing:  

Mike Marino, asked what the police department has done about motorcycle noise.  Chief Hill explained that have inspected several motorcycles and they are all incompliance with the state regulations.

Chief Hill stated New Hope has done some things to try to stop motorcycle noise and he could look into what they did.

Mr. Marino also asked if anything was done about mosquitoes.  Ms. Kirk stated she did
contact the Mosquito Commission and will contact them again.

Neil Scheck, stated the budget hearing was announced and well attended.  
He also stated he is bothered by loud motorcycles.


I wonder if the mosquitoes are getting many tickets.





Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by High-Def on 06/20/09 at 08:27:47


48454D414342484645412C0 wrote:
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LMFAO Totaly agree. I likes mine...LOUD. Cagers do whatever the hell they want with, and to, there gas guzzling monstrosities and I have to worry about giving US a bad name? IMO they should be kissing my ass. NOT the other way around.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by diamond jim on 06/20/09 at 15:36:28

Motorcycles have always been loud.  Many decades after the motorcycle was invented muffler technology started to catch up.  

If your bike is loud but you conduct yourself in a courteous manner, people don't seem to have much of a problem.  If your bike is loud and you are speeding excessively, racing each other, doing wheelies, lane splitting, overall being a butthead people seem to suddenly have a major problem with the exhaust volume.  When the behavior is offensive the loud exhaust becomes offensive.  

Case in point- You're on the highway and pass an old geezer on a loud HD dresser who is wearing a safety vest riding conservatively, and then you get passed by a kid being a butthead on a bike every bit as loud, doing 30mph over the speed limit, wearing shorts and a t-shirt, who do think elicits the overwhelming majority of complaints from cagers regarding loud pipes?  

Loud pipes are exceptionally common on bikes.  They seem normal when behavior is normal.  They seem offensive when behavior is offensive.  

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by Rogue_Cheddar on 06/20/09 at 16:56:04


142B7711203D3C590 wrote:
One man's noise is another man's music.


Tru dat!  ;)

Beside, who gets to decide what's loud and what's not? I got too many people now telling me what I can and can't do, when they should be minding their own business. Free country my a$$!  >:(


Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/09 at 17:30:33


212C24282A2B212F2C28450 wrote:
Motorcycles have always been loud.  Many decades after the motorcycle was invented muffler technology started to catch up.  

If your bike is loud but you conduct yourself in a courteous manner, people don't seem to have much of a problem.  If your bike is loud and you are speeding excessively, racing each other, doing wheelies, lane splitting, overall being a butthead people seem to suddenly have a major problem with the exhaust volume.  When the behavior is offensive the loud exhaust becomes offensive.  

Case in point- You're on the highway and pass an old geezer on a loud HD dresser who is wearing a safety vest riding conservatively, and then you get passed by a kid being a butthead on a bike every bit as loud, doing 30mph over the speed limit, wearing shorts and a t-shirt, who do think elicits the overwhelming majority of complaints from cagers regarding loud pipes?  

Loud pipes are exceptionally common on bikes.  They seem normal when behavior is normal.  They seem offensive when behavior is offensive.  




Ayuppp, thats about the whole of it. I can roll past a hospital & not bother anyone, or I could upset a lot of folks, if I chose to be inconsiderate.

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by stratman on 06/20/09 at 19:47:14

Posted by: Yonuh Adisi      Posted on: Yesterday at 20:02:59
" Also a quick clutch and yank on the throttle does much more for me than the horn. "

A quick throttle release followed by a toggle of the kill switch can be effective.  SMACKITY CRAPPLE POP!  

Title: Re: NO LOUD MUFFLER
Post by verslagen1 on 06/20/09 at 20:41:07

I'm followin' a fat @$$ed loud piper down the 210 at rush hour.
every time someone doesn't notice and move over a little, he rips one off.
He's king of the road so there's no chance he'll let me by.  So I sit back and watch the show.
A 2wheeled chippy comes runnin' up my tail pipe so I let him by just in time for fatso to let one rip   :o  He doesn't notice chip cause he's pulled up next to road hog to let him know he has to curtsy when he goes by.  I think chippies ear flaps bulge out to near burstin' from the steam comin' out of his ears.  Fatso pulls in front of roadie to let chippy go by (please) but chippy pulls up to fatso and I think the HD badge melted off the tank.  An impressive amount of arm waving and jawing that would send most bikers into several lane changes, but chippy kept it dead steady.  Chippy must of ran out of breath or was worried that someone would run over the melted badges and pop a tire.   ;D  Fatso and I resumed our lane splittin' w/o any more rips or even a toot.  He even let me by a little later.

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