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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1244313438 Message started by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 11:37:17 |
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Title: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 11:37:17 ...of the top of the carb? -Frustrated Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by BouleTard on 06/06/09 at 11:51:44 1. Buy Makita drill/screwdriver 2. Set drill on speed 1, reverse screw 3. Set clutch on 16 4. Hold phillips bit to screw with 25-30 pounds 5. Pull trigger and let the drill hammer it out. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/09 at 11:52:06 Grip the head with vice grips and turn. replace with allen socket head screws |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 12:02:22 Vice grips worked on one. Need needle nose vice grips. -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Savage_Amusement on 06/06/09 at 12:22:50 Cold chisel it out. Impact driver. Drill. Japanese screw driver. Cut a slot across the top with a dremel. Vise grips. Just a few methods. I got an impact driver and now I only take "stock" screws out with that. Works great every time. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by kennycreed on 06/06/09 at 12:28:26 If the screw head's are rounded and the Philips driver spins in them cut a slot across the the head of the screw in the centre with a hack saw and use a flat head screwdriver with an impact driver :) |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 14:51:40 Got 3 out with vice grips. The fourth is being stubborn. I'm running out of screw to grab. I'm a little concerned I've already damaged the diaphragm. The whole top was twisting when I was trying to get that last screw out. I ended up putting the screws partially back in to hold it. Between taking the tank off and these 4 darn screws, I'm pretty sure the machine is in worse condition than when I started. Of course, I'm too stubborn to stop trying. I tried using an impact driver I got from Harbor Freight, but it seemed like it was just bouncing (carb isn't removed). -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 15:08:58 UPDATE: impact driver - damaged the top of battery case with the bottom of the carb, but it must have loosened the screw + vice grips - gotta love 'em = loose screw! OK. Back to work. -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by John_D on 06/06/09 at 15:14:34 Wow, yours must have been in there better than mine, or I just got lucky. I used the "redneck impact driver". That is, a phillips screwdriver and a hammer. Put a little bit of twist on screwdriver while whacking it with the hammer. I didn't have to hit it hard enough to knock it into the battery box, but it did take a fair amount of repetition to finally get each one loose. They must Loctite those things in. And I scraped the frame getting the tank off too; gloss black model paint for the touch up. ;D |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Skid Mark on 06/06/09 at 15:47:38 They must have sumo wrestlers at the factory tightening all the screws and bolts. Had a similar issue getting the screw out of the battery bracket. I ended up grinding the screw head off & replacing the screw with a hex head bolt. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Phelonius on 06/06/09 at 16:14:53 525B5E574D5A5E3F0 wrote:
I have always had sucess by using a small set of vice grips with good teeth in the jaws to break them loose. Then a screw driver will suffice. DO NOT put them back in. Replace them with same size butthead allen screws of stainless steel. The bottom ones on the float bowl can use regular allen screws of stainless steel but for the top of the daiphrahm use the butt head ones. (Button head allens) If the heads are to much diameter, chuck them into a drill press and spin them while using a file to reduce the diameter of the head. The butt heads will clear the frame better than the regular ones. Stainless steel will not grow roots in the alloy carb. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/09 at 18:17:43 Use never sieze going back 2gether. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 18:46:37 I didn't use button heads allen screws. I wasn't in a mood to search through every drawer at TrueValue, so I got the first ones I found (and I hadn't read your advice yet). I guess they're called "smooth head" stainless (as opposed to knurled). They fit well enough, although I do wish they were knurled. I do need to buy some ball end hex keys. I did use anti-seize. Today was not as successful as I had hoped. Things removed: tool box seat left side panel gas tank chrome engine covers screws from top of carb white spacer Things damaged (superficially): gas tank frame top of carb head cover Things put back together: carb Questions: * How is the clutch cable supposed to route around the decomp controller? I didn't take a picture before I started moving stuff and I'm pretty sure I didn't get it back quite right. In some pictures the clutch cable is on the outside of the frame. On mine it's on the inside. * throttle cable clamp - That just wraps around the throttle cable. Anything special? * the carb breather hoses - These are just stuck up into the frame, right? * I didn't see any pictures of general cable, hose, etc routing. Do these exist? I'm going to have a hell of a time figuring out how to get the crankcase breather tube back in place. -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by diamond jim on 06/06/09 at 18:57:08 http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/S4022050.jpg http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/S4022047.jpg |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 19:12:39 D. Jim - You da man. In my case the decomp controller is being forced crooked by the clutch cable. I don't remember that being the case before my hack job. I tried to take pictures, but they don't really show anything. -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/06/09 at 19:32:31 This image isn't too bad... Click for full size: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gpMEVRBlMes/Sisl53lDOBI/AAAAAAAAAjM/BieI-JCyQ08/s144/Engine%20009.jpg (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JWOBoh8UF0z2icyR19BQQQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCIj6usTgmqW5yQE&feat=embedwebsite) It looks like the bundle of wires and clutch cable got moved around. -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Savage_Amusement on 06/06/09 at 22:59:17 One thing that drive me nuts about this bike is the clutch is on the left hand, but on the right side of the bike. The throttle is on the right hand but left side of the bike.... HELLO. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/07/09 at 06:35:22 A new day! First, waffles. Second, S40. Today's first challenge will be the timing inspection cover. Wish me luck! -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/07/09 at 07:46:10 King Kong must have been working the day my S40 was assembled. A few bent tools and scratched up timing inspection cover and no luck. Maybe it's time to grind down an old spade bit. (no used brake pads available) -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/07/09 at 08:30:44 Educatedredneck - I owe you a 6 pack. Grinding down a scraper made the perfect tool. Items removed: 1 Items damaged: 1 Batting 1000. -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/07/09 at 10:39:02 I was going to replace the valve inspection cover bolts, but no local store has them in stainless. Would using standard zinc coated be acceptable or should I hold off until I can find the correct ones? -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by serowbot on 06/07/09 at 10:56:52 Those bolts don't torque down very much. I don't think you need stainless.... |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Savage_Amusement on 06/07/09 at 11:20:56 They don't have metric stainless? You can put any style of head on it that you want. I go with Allen because it allows me to carry less tools. You can have carriage, standard, Phillips, what ever there is. If you order the kit off of ebay you will get all stainless. It is a nice kit, comes with a few extra. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/07/09 at 12:57:27 Finally some progress. Had a minor set back when I realized I didn't have the right socket for the spark plug, then bought the wrong one, finally got the right one. Got all the bolts out of the head cover except for the middle one. My 10mm wrench is a piece of crap and I'm concerned I'm going to round it off before it comes loose. There's no room for a socket. I'm definitely beginning to question the wisdom of my actions. ;D -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by DrunkenDwarf on 06/07/09 at 12:59:06 042835292235343328352274777777470 wrote:
They do, just not in that head style. Maybe I'll go back and see what my options are. If I ever have to do this again (dreading) I may order that kit. -D. Dwarf |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Digger on 07/02/09 at 20:34:30 363F3A33293E3A5B0 wrote:
Any time you see what looks to be a Phillips-head screw with a small dot embossed near the cross slots, you will need a JIS (Japanese) Phillips screwdriver. Here is where I got mine: JIS Phillips Screwdrivers (http://www.amessupply.com/products1.cfm?aid=1&cid=D&sid=DE&fid=1404070) Not very expensive at all, especially considering the headaches they'll prevent. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Boule’tard on 07/02/09 at 20:41:36 507D73737166140 wrote:
4-6 bucks? How's the metal on those things? |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Educatedredneck on 07/02/09 at 22:36:12 DD, Glad to hear that my scraper-screwdriver idea worked for you. I drink St. Pauli Girl!!!! ;) ;) ;) I have made the habit of when I remove a JIS phillps screw off my savage, I take the time and get an allen head to replace it, especially if I know I'm gonna be back at that area again. I HATE rounded screws. Keep at it DD, wrenchin and learnin is half the fun!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by Digger on 07/07/09 at 21:18:23 606D776E6776637066020 wrote:
4-6 bucks? How's the metal on those things?[/quote] Harder than the metal the screws are made from....and that's good enough! ;) Actually, FWIW, the screwdrivers are made in Germany and seem to be of pretty decent quality. |
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Title: Re: How the $#%&! do you get the screws out... Post by voldigicam on 07/15/09 at 17:09:57 An excellent technique not mentioned above: Use a really good punch. Not a sears one. Strong steel. Gunsmith quality. Need a really good clean edge. With bracing, can get just that little bite and tap the screw loose enough to be finished with a screwdriver. Two of mine only loosened this way. Bracing has to be perfect. I'm thinking on a cam cover fastner now - it's pretty well stuck. I may cut the head off to leave the shaft, then I have something to work with and might not need to drill out a broken fastner! |
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